Atheists can't have it both ways

There are 2137 comments on the Examiner.com story from Nov 13, 2011, titled Atheists can't have it both ways. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

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“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#1415 Jul 7, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
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Only in your mind were they refuted. The fact is that you either ran away, or tried redirection. Shall we go back and examine?
Have at it

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#1416 Jul 8, 2012
chief22 wrote:
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Have at it
Post number 1248. I quoted scriptures where Jesus said ANYTHING you ask for in prayer would be granted.

Post 1249, you made an unsubstanciated claim, and said that god says no.

You could not explain why the bible says in several places that jesus said ANYTHING you ask for in prayer will be yours, and in reality that is not the case.

That was easy.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Corning, CA

#1417 Jul 8, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
<quoted text>Post number 1248. I quoted scriptures where Jesus said ANYTHING you ask for in prayer would be granted.

Post 1249, you made an unsubstanciated claim, and said that god says no.

You could not explain why the bible says in several places that jesus said ANYTHING you ask for in prayer will be yours, and in reality that is not the case.

That was easy.
That is not what it says! False claims by the coward!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1418 Jul 8, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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That is not what it says! False claims by the coward!
So you don't read the bible?

That figures. I'd bet you don't even know that your god likes gifts of hemorrohoids, dipt in gold. Or that he might make you eat your children, do you?

Why don't you know that your Jesus repeatedly says that anything you ask in his name, anything it shall be given? No if's, no ands, and no buts!

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#1419 Jul 9, 2012
chief22 wrote:
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Funny you try to apply mans time lines and knowledge to God's Creation, I am in fact quite familiar with the process. God don't put the soul in a person when he becomes viable, that is mans concept, God puts the soul in place at conception. The fact is ALL abortion are BAD, unfornatually sometimes they become necessary, not because she just decides she don't want to be pregnant any more, but to save the mother's life, an abortion should only be used to save a life not preserve a lifestyle.
I am sure that the mayor here will have no influence in any foreign election, howeve here we have things called referendoms, they are specific instructions to elected officials, in this case mayor and city council, and they just spit in they eye of the voters. This has much more far reaching afects that just spending money that the city don't have.
Are your timelines the ones that claim the world was made in 6 days 5999 years ago (6000 next October)?. I have personally seen evidence of homo sapiens from 38,000 years ago and I know there is considerably more history and archaeological evidence to prove that your god timeline is utter BS.

What soul? Please show me none, or documented evidence of one. The soul is a human concept of faith born of the ability for some people to think a little but not to think to a conclusion based on actual facts.

The fact is that it is you belief that all abortion is bad, that does not make it bad, it just makes it your belief.

I am not arguing with your somewhat modified stance of saving life, that is also my view, however that does not give you (or me) the right to dictate what is right and wrong to a third person in spite of what the law says.

Well then perhaps you should not have offered the polls in Ell Passo as an example of you stance on the subject, you know it makes sense.

The babble itself does not explicitly condemn abortion, oh there plenty of interpretations but interpretations are not actually the word in the babble, it is simply interpretation. However even if the babble did explicitly ban abortion that would be no reason for it to come into law because it discriminates against non christians.

And so we get back to the law…

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#1420 Jul 9, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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That is not what it says! False claims by the coward!
learn to read before you post.
Otherwise, don't waste my time.

“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#1421 Jul 13, 2012
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Actually? According to your definition?
GOD CAN MURDER AND DID MURDER COUNTLESS PEOPLE.
Or did you forget the Noachian flood, where your god MURDERED THE WHOLE WORLD?
It appears you did forget-- no due process for all those on the other side of the globe, away from Noah and his dubious "message".
So, once again, BY YOUR OWN WORDS, you are proven wrong.
Again.
Murder is an unjust killing, God is incapable of anything unjust. You believe when God ends earthly life it is unjust, thats because you look at the whold thing with an unbelievers mind, you are incapabile of understanding God.

“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#1422 Jul 13, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Are your timelines the ones that claim the world was made in 6 days 5999 years ago (6000 next October)?. I have personally seen evidence of homo sapiens from 38,000 years ago and I know there is considerably more history and archaeological evidence to prove that your god timeline is utter BS.
What soul? Please show me none, or documented evidence of one. The soul is a human concept of faith born of the ability for some people to think a little but not to think to a conclusion based on actual facts.
The fact is that it is you belief that all abortion is bad, that does not make it bad, it just makes it your belief.
I am not arguing with your somewhat modified stance of saving life, that is also my view, however that does not give you (or me) the right to dictate what is right and wrong to a third person in spite of what the law says.
Well then perhaps you should not have offered the polls in Ell Passo as an example of you stance on the subject, you know it makes sense.
The babble itself does not explicitly condemn abortion, oh there plenty of interpretations but interpretations are not actually the word in the babble, it is simply interpretation. However even if the babble did explicitly ban abortion that would be no reason for it to come into law because it discriminates against non christians.
And so we get back to the law…
The Bible dies say the world was created in 6 days, The Bible don't say how old it is, the Bible dies say that to God 1 day is like 1000 years, One Bible Scholor I have heard recently says that the earth is as old as science needs it to be.

All abortion is bad, ending a life shouldn't be celebrated. The Bible may not specifically condemn abortion it does condemn the killing of the innocent and unjust killings. If you believe in our Constitution then abortion need to be illegal, because they deny the Due process rights guarenteed by the Constitution from a Human being.

Prove and show evidence you love your mother, you can't

“T-Warrior”

Since: Dec 07

El Paso Tx (Rochester NY)

#1423 Jul 13, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
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Post number 1248. I quoted scriptures where Jesus said ANYTHING you ask for in prayer would be granted.
Post 1249, you made an unsubstanciated claim, and said that god says no.
You could not explain why the bible says in several places that jesus said ANYTHING you ask for in prayer will be yours, and in reality that is not the case.
That was easy.
Thats one thing I said, looking at Herod and the murder of John the Baptist, God isn't going to give you anything that violates his laws, that is immoral, or that don't give Him Glory, What did Soloman recieve from God.

Since: Jun 07

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#1424 Jul 13, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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That is not what it says! False claims by the coward!
So no proof of god and that you're not a liar. thanks.

Since: Jun 07

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#1425 Jul 13, 2012
chief22 wrote:
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Murder is an unjust killing, God is incapable of anything unjust. You believe when God ends earthly life it is unjust, thats because you look at the whold thing with an unbelievers mind, you are incapabile of understanding God.
I agree I am incapable of understanding god. I call this a gift. Evolution made my brain impervious to unproven bullsh*t.

I'm so happy that I don't understand god. I don't know what I would do if I had the mental illness of faith.

But it's ok, your imaginary god can forgive me and all is cool.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1426 Jul 13, 2012
chief22 wrote:
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The Bible dies say the world was created in 6 days, The Bible don't say how old it is, the Bible dies say that to God 1 day is like 1000 years, One Bible Scholor I have heard recently says that the earth is as old as science needs it to be.
All abortion is bad, ending a life shouldn't be celebrated. The Bible may not specifically condemn abortion it does condemn the killing of the innocent and unjust killings. If you believe in our Constitution then abortion need to be illegal, because they deny the Due process rights guarenteed by the Constitution from a Human being.
Prove and show evidence you love your mother, you can't
The bible is just a book written by uneducated human beings. When they thought the earth was flat, beating women was ok, harming children was ok and heck, it even RECOMMENDS how to keep slaves.

If this is book you are getting your morals from, I question your sanity.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1427 Jul 13, 2012
chief22 wrote:
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Thats one thing I said, looking at Herod and the murder of John the Baptist, God isn't going to give you anything that violates his laws, that is immoral, or that don't give Him Glory, What did Soloman recieve from God.
You're just making up what you think your imaginary creature will and won't give. Just like the folks who wrote the bible did.

Why should anyone take your seriously, or believe your threats on our non-existence afterlives?
OhiO

Los Angeles, CA

#1428 Jul 14, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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The bible is just a book written by uneducated human beings. When they thought the earth was flat, beating women was ok, harming children was ok and heck, it even RECOMMENDS how to keep slaves.
If this is book you are getting your morals from, I question your sanity.
Atheist trash is ALWAYS QUESTIONING the SANITY of GOD as it LEADS CIVILIZATION DOWN the SOVIET ATHEIST UTOPIAN TRAIL.

TRASH like YOU is why GOD says things like 'KILL EVERY LAST ONE of those MEAT EATING, ADDICT, HOMOTARD TRASH inCLUDING the BABIES because of the BAD D.N.A.

If there HADN'T BEEN any ATHEIST TRASH on EARTH in the 20TH CENTURY the
M.U.R.D.E.R.
T.O.R.T.U.R.E.
A.R.S.O.N.
R.A.P.E.
COUNT
would be a L.O.T.
LOWER.

Between STALIN and MAO ~ 120 million deaths.
WE SEE YOU are a LIAR

Los Angeles, CA

#1429 Jul 14, 2012
The God of the bible had his invading Hebrew pioneers kill a few score thousand over HUDREDS of years.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#1430 Jul 14, 2012
chief22 wrote:
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.... God puts the soul in place at conception.....
That's your religious belief, and you're welcome to it. But you are not welcome to impose your religious belief on others.

So, according to you, the 40% miscarriages are your gods way of performing an abortion. I hope he reuses these souls and doesn't just throw them away.

When an embryo splits a few days after fertilization, where there 2 souls in one zygote before that, or does a second soul magically get added?

When 2 separate embryos later merge and become one (a chimera), what happens to the extra "soul" according to your religion? Does it just get tossed out or reused?

And while you are considering these odd questions about souls and conception, maybe you could consider proving that souls actually exist. Then maybe we could work on finding evidence that you aren't just making stuff up to fit your religion.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1431 Jul 14, 2012
OhiO wrote:
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Atheist trash is ALWAYS QUESTIONING the SANITY of GOD as it LEADS CIVILIZATION DOWN the SOVIET ATHEIST UTOPIAN TRAIL.
TRASH like YOU is why GOD says things like 'KILL EVERY LAST ONE of those MEAT EATING, ADDICT, HOMOTARD TRASH inCLUDING the BABIES because of the BAD D.N.A.
If there HADN'T BEEN any ATHEIST TRASH on EARTH in the 20TH CENTURY the
M.U.R.D.E.R.
T.O.R.T.U.R.E.
A.R.S.O.N.
R.A.P.E.
COUNT
would be a L.O.T.
LOWER.
Between STALIN and MAO ~ 120 million deaths.
Lots of shouting and accusations ,bit not he slightest bit of evidence that your god is real or that you're not liar.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1432 Jul 14, 2012
PS, Show us all in the Atheist manual where it says we're supposed to murder millions of people.

EXACTLY LIAR.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#1433 Jul 14, 2012
chief22 wrote:
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Murder is an unjust killing, God is incapable of anything unjust. You believe when God ends earthly life it is unjust, thats because you look at the whold thing with an unbelievers mind, you are incapabile of understanding God.
Incorrect. Useing criteria laid down by this god, we have the definition of unjust. Your god has murdered by his own definition.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#1434 Jul 14, 2012
chief22 wrote:
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Thats one thing I said, looking at Herod and the murder of John the Baptist, God isn't going to give you anything that violates his laws, that is immoral, or that don't give Him Glory, What did Soloman recieve from God.
Well then, I want you to pray right now that all abortions end today. Guess what? It won't happen. Jesus said that you could make a mountain jump into the sea. Please explain to me how that falls into the conditions that YOU mentioned above?

According to the bible, Jesus said that ANYTHING you ask for in prayer will be given. There are NO conditions. Please tell me verse and chapter where what jesus said was contradicted. ANYTHING means ANYTHING. Either jesus was a liar, or simply does not exist. Which is it?

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