On Nazi belt buckles and swastikas

Mar 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

Some may wonder how and why propaganda works and oft works so very well. It is often a combination of factors such when a society is very rigidly controlled.

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the Nazi's used religion to further their cause "Gott Mit Unz" (God is With Us) was inscribed on belt buckels and uniform buttons, hats and banners. Hitler Made frequent references to Christ as His inspiration. And had photographs made with members of the clergy giving Nazi salutes. Apeals were made to religious elements in America and England to join in a Holy Crusade against Godless the Bolshevecks.(Soviets Who were then our Alies) To keep the War effort from being undermined Allied propaganda countered with the Godless German's myth still popular with Christian's today and the infamous poster of a Nazi bayonet sticking in a Bible

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He also drew heavily from the work of Martin Luther, none of the major churches in Europe ever denounced him and unfortunately the test for Christianity is not actions, but a confession of belief.

But all of that is beside the point. Hitler could have been a scientologist for all the relevance his personal religion has.

The point remains that he used Christianity to manipulate the people. Whether it was the belt buckles, or quoting Martin Luther in support of oppressing Jews. Faith encourages belief over reason. It encourages unthinking allegiance to your “Leader”. It encourages an “us and them” view of the world.

This allows wide-spread, deeply held faith to be abused in the way Hitler did. Religion was used as a tool to exploit people.

“Religion is the opium of the masses.”

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”

The same is true in the modern Middle East, where religion is used as a political tool by those in power.

The same cannot be said to be true of atheists. We tend to be more sceptical and we don’t move, vote or feel the same way about things. The difficulty in organising any secular group is partly due to that. We do not have a common belief or credo that can be used to motivate or guilt us into behaving in a certain way.

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the Nazi's used religion to further their cause "Gott Mit Unz" (God is With Us) was inscribed on belt buckels and uniform buttons, hats and banners. Hitler Made frequent references to Christ as His inspiration. And had photographs made with members of the clergy giving Nazi salutes. Apeals were made to religious elements in America and England to join in a Holy Crusade against Godless the Bolshevecks.(Soviets Who were then our Alies) To keep the War effort from being undermined Allied propaganda countered with the Godless German's myth still popular with Christian's today and the infamous poster of a Nazi bayonet sticking in a Bible
“Atheism is the only world or religious view that is not tolerated
within the SS.[...] I have not tolerated an atheist in the ranks of
the SS. Every member has a deep faith in god, in what my ancestors
called in their language Waralda, the ancient one, the one who is
mightier than we are.”

- from the book,“Heinrich Himmler: A Life” by Peter Longerich, Oxford University Press, 2012, p. 220

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2:46 pm, Friday, March 30, 2012:
RE: On Nazi belt buckles and swastikas
..... As I remember reading, the Germans were mainly Lutherans and Catholics, with most clerics, including the then pope, helping the Nazis because the Nazis were fighting against the German mainly anti-religions Communist party (later prohibited). But neither kind of believers apparently followed the lifestyle of Jesus, nor did they follow the teachings/requirements of Jesus, ignoring all others. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi...
..... The German army apparently was trying to raise the expectations of eventual victory by making their members believe that if God was with them fighting their battles too, then Germany's victory was going to be certain.
..... The Nazis had their own two private armies - the brown-shirted uniformed SA who were brutally instrumental to bring about the eventual electoral victory of the Nazi party in early 1933, and they, in uniform at voting stations, also "instructed" voters to vote "correctly" for whatever Hitler wanted - and the black-shirted uniformed SS whose leader was Himmler, as quoted above.
..... Hitler, born in Austria, was a Roman Catholic who inherited the general old Austrian anti-Jews beliefs/prejudices and considerably exaggerated them, as early as 1919, to the point of apparently eventually ordering/permitting the murder of millions of "surplus" people in Nazi death camps.
..... The Nazi symbol, the swastika, has an old history. See
http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/s...

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I have dealt in antiques an collectables for years and have had numerous examples of Nazi religios, As well as Allied propaganda items mentioned pass through My hands that prove My point Who ever left those negative icons on my previous post is most likely an Fundy idiot or a Nazi Themselves, not that there's that much difference, Bwa Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !

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here is a good BALANCED article on Hitler and religion.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699... .
In short Hitler had contempt for religion but relized it was a useful tool for him to use.
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Grumpy Guy wrote:
here is a good BALANCED article on Hitler and religion.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699... .
In short Hitler had contempt for religion but relized it was a useful tool for him to use.
Useful. As in Hitler did not kill all those people himself. He needed many human cogs in his death machine. And he found them mostly in churches, mostly catholic and lutheran churches, where anti-semitism was a staple for centuries. If you want to kill jews, and you need assistants, you go to the churches that preach anti-semitism, tell them you are one of them, and you'll have no difficulty at all recruiting willing accomplices. Without all the good christians in the guard towers, rounding up the jews, marching them to the gas chambers, guarding them as they are worked to death and disposing of the bodies, Hitler would be just another anti-semitic crackpot on a street corner or in a beer hall.

This makes it essentially irrelevant whether Hitler himself was religious or not. Whatever his own personal views on the existence of a deity, where the evidence is certainly in conflict and open to debate, he could not have accomplished all the evil he did without an army of willing believers carrying out the day-to-day work of genocide. Christians clearly happily filled the ranks of the SS, the Wermacht, the Gestapo and all the other tentacles of the nazi regime, and happily carried out the murderous work.

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Amused wrote:
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Useful. As in Hitler did not kill all those people himself. He needed many human cogs in his death machine. And he found them mostly in churches, mostly catholic and lutheran churches, where anti-semitism was a staple for centuries. If you want to kill jews, and you need assistants, you go to the churches that preach anti-semitism, tell them you are one of them, and you'll have no difficulty at all recruiting willing accomplices. Without all the good christians in the guard towers, rounding up the jews, marching them to the gas chambers, guarding them as they are worked to death and disposing of the bodies, Hitler would be just another anti-semitic crackpot on a street corner or in a beer hall.
This makes it essentially irrelevant whether Hitler himself was religious or not. Whatever his own personal views on the existence of a deity, where the evidence is certainly in conflict and open to debate, he could not have accomplished all the evil he did without an army of willing believers carrying out the day-to-day work of genocide. Christians clearly happily filled the ranks of the SS, the Wermacht, the Gestapo and all the other tentacles of the nazi regime, and happily carried out the murderous work.
And Christians filled the ranks that stormed the Beaches of normandy, fougjt in the hills of Italy and the Deserts of Africa and the jungle of the Pacific.
In Germany befor Hitler and under the Prussians, Religion was regulated to a Private matter not to be discussed in public.

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Aside from the Anti Democratic aspects of Facism it had an apeal to certain segments of the population. Christians in America and England had been told Nazi's were Godless heathens who sought to eradicate Christianity to prevent Nazi agents from apealing to Christian predjudices and undemining the War effort. Remember in those Days America was racialy Divided, most American Christians were still Anti Semetic. This all changed overnight with the founding of the state of Israel in 1948 which is an integeral part of the Christian Appocyliptic (Doomsday) movement. Many Christians were also fiercely anti Bolshevic (Russian) Who were then Our Allies. Some of Hitlers Facist Ideas were attractive to many White Supremacists Eugenicists and German Americans groups based on racial pride, there were large German American Bund Groups who openly demonstrated.
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<quoted text> And Christians filled the ranks that stormed the Beaches of normandy, fougjt in the hills of Italy and the Deserts of Africa and the jungle of the Pacific.
In Germany befor Hitler and under the Prussians, Religion was regulated to a Private matter not to be discussed in public.

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It is also known Hitler got to believing He was the Mesiah and intended to replace the Pope and head His Own New Religion,With Himself as a Divinity. His remains were to be inteered in a special tomb where leaders of Conquered nations were to come an pay homage an miracles were supposed to occur as part of a plan for the "Thousand Year Reich" Where a white Aryan German Master Race was to rule the world for a thousand Years. Basic plans were even drawn up as to how this Empire was to be managed economicly with slave labour from lesser races that would be maintained to perform menial tasks.

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