'Good without a god': Faces of atheis...

'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

There are 7527 comments on the NewsOK.com story from Jul 5, 2013, titled 'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma. In it, NewsOK.com reports that:

Rebecca Vitsmun is shown during an interview with a CNN reporter shortly after the May 20 tornado that destroyed her Moore home.

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antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#1205 Aug 20, 2013
sorry dear but you are wrong. You wanna be a humanist, an evolutionists, and an atheist yet you also want to claim that morals are so important to you. Can you say contradictory. There is no reason for you to be a moral person since you just arose from some type of soup.

Since: Jun 13

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#1206 Aug 20, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
sorry dear but you are wrong. You wanna be a humanist, an evolutionists, and an atheist yet you also want to claim that morals are so important to you. Can you say contradictory. There is no reason for you to be a moral person since you just arose from some type of soup.
First off, you can stop attempting to speak for me. Secondly, I am a human, not to be labeled by you. Thirdly, there is a very good reason why I carry good morals, and that is because good morals were taught to me, and I retained the information I was taught, and hold the human emotions to not want to harm other people or myself. That is my reason for being moral. There is no god needed....and "arose from some type of soup." Really???

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#1207 Aug 20, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
sorry dear but you are wrong. You wanna be a humanist, an evolutionists, and an atheist yet you also want to claim that morals are so important to you. Can you say contradictory. There is no reason for you to be a moral person since you just arose from some type of soup.
And I'm sorry darlin, but you are the one who is incorrect.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#1208 Aug 20, 2013
but who is to say harming someone is bad? Who taught your parents morals?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1209 Aug 20, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
bob honestly........stop wasting your time. I'm not even reading your ramblings.
See?

You are not representing ANYTHING jesus supposedly said in the bible.

You are a Class A Hypocrite.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1210 Aug 20, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
but who is to say harming someone is bad? Who taught your parents morals?
In the USA?

The Constitution is what declares it's bad.

Isn't that enough?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#1211 Aug 21, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
but who is to say harming someone is bad? Who taught your parents morals?
No matter how you twist it and go down the line religion was not the creator of morals. A culture or society sets the standard for moral behavior...that is why morals will differ between different countries and cultures. To say that christianity set the moral standard is ignoring every other "god" driven religion as well as non-believers, and that again would arrogant and egotistical.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#1212 Aug 21, 2013
If you think your background solely equates to how you behave as an adult, you must have been dreadfully abused as a child.

Your argument is BS.
antiatheist wrote:
sorry dear but you are wrong. You wanna be a humanist, an evolutionists, and an atheist yet you also want to claim that morals are so important to you. Can you say contradictory. There is no reason for you to be a moral person since you just arose from some type of soup.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1213 Aug 21, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
shows how ignorant you are forgotten. God did make man perfect. It was man who rebelled against God and sinned. We screwed things up..not God. Try doing some reading before making another dumb comment.
So that which is perfect, and has never encountered any sort of imperfection, can make it's self imperfect? Wouldn't that nullify any perfection, as never have been there?

We have done nothing, there are no gods, and sin does not exist. It is an imaginary self imposed nonsense.
The Voice

Lares, Puerto Rico

#1214 Aug 21, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Bill Gates - atheist and world's largest philanthropist.
I thought we went through that yesterday?
But creationists must lie to protect their weak cults
Atheism is like baking bread without the yeast, you could eat it but it will be flat, tasteless. Being a philanthropist has nothing to do with being a good person, the reason you make something good worthwhile is as important as the reason you have to do the right thing. Not believing in God did not spare Rebecca from being a victim of the tornado,same as the others,that is beyond the question, but an atheist has the burden of living with the weight of not being able to share their woes properly because their always an emptiness filling their hearts and a cloak covering their conscience so it is perpetually submerged in darkness.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1215 Aug 21, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
sorry dear but you are wrong. You wanna be a humanist, an evolutionists, and an atheist yet you also want to claim that morals are so important to you. Can you say contradictory. There is no reason for you to be a moral person since you just arose from some type of soup.
Dust or soup? Ha, ha, a little dust bunny knocking the soup of life. LOL!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1216 Aug 21, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
ok let me say this one more time and listen closely. No sane person thinks killing someone is okay. Get it? I'm simply saying that although you aren't out killing or robbing someone does not mean you are some great person. We all sin which is why Christ came in the first place. We can never be good enough.
So you do NOT need a deity to know that killing and stealing is wrong. Every sane person, whether or not they believe in God, knows these things. So God is not needed for us to know about morality.

As for never being 'good enough': that is part of the nature of ultimate goals, we can never actually reach them. I'd like to know everything. That is a goal that I will never reach. But the strivings for more knowledge and more ethical behavior are good ones. Deities are not required for either.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1217 Aug 21, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
cynical you sound like the crazy lunatic you must be. Only on internet msg boards do you hear such craziness.
seeyou you aren't perfect and neither am I. Christ was the only perfect person on this earth and He died for our sins because we aren't perfect.
A perfect example of the craziness you see on internet boards. Unfortunately, you also see this type of craziness in real life. Jesus, if he existed at all (which I am inclined to think he did), was a human, just like everyone else. He preached some ideas that were current at the time (in fact, those of the Pharisees), had a small following, and was put to death as a rebel. He wasn't perfect and he is dead now. Deal with it.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1218 Aug 21, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
but who is to say harming someone is bad? Who taught your parents morals?
We are a social species. Harming someone is bad because it increases pain (generally agreed by everyone to be bad) without a positive to the individual or society to negate that harm (so, for example, surgery can be painful, but it helps in the long run). Morality is all about how we relate to each other and nothing at all about how we relate to an imaginary father figure. Societies learn over time what works to make people happy and productive and what does not. Slavery used to be considered perfectly moral; now it isn't. Having a king in charge was once considered a good thing; not it isn't. Keeping women uneducated was once considered natural and ethical; now it isn't. And once people considered gays to be inherently evil; now ethical people don't. As we learn about ourselves, our morality hopefully improves and more people are happy and productive. That is what morality is about.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#1219 Aug 21, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
but who is to say harming someone is bad? Who taught your parents morals?
If I punch you in the face,*you* are the one saying it is bad. If I see someone punching you in the face, both you and I can say it is bad. We, as a society, as humans, decide what is good and bad for us, sometimes via trial and error.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#1220 Aug 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
.. Slavery used to be considered perfectly moral; now it isn't. Having a king in charge was once considered a good thing; not it isn't. Keeping women uneducated was once considered natural and ethical; now it isn't. And once people considered gays to be inherently evil; now ethical people don't. As we learn about ourselves, our morality hopefully improves and more people are happy and productive. That is what morality is about.
Agree with what you are saying, but unfortunately the issues you discuss are still around today. Slavery and discrimation to gays and women is still with us in many muslim countries. And Britain still has a monarchy. The British media virtually never portray the monarchy in a negative light, so it will be around for the forseeable.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1221 Aug 21, 2013
The Voice wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is like baking bread without the yeast, you could eat it but it will be flat, tasteless. Being a philanthropist has nothing to do with being a good person, the reason you make something good worthwhile is as important as the reason you have to do the right thing. Not believing in God did not spare Rebecca from being a victim of the tornado,same as the others,that is beyond the question, but an atheist has the burden of living with the weight of not being able to share their woes properly because their always an emptiness filling their hearts and a cloak covering their conscience so it is perpetually submerged in darkness.
You got things exactly bass-ackwards, dude!

Being an atheist means you are FREE FROM THE BULLSHIT.

You are also FREE FROM THE TOXIC WASTE THAT IS ALL RELIGION.

Think about it.

One final note:

The **only** thing in your heart is blood---

--- unless you have heartworms?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1222 Aug 21, 2013
spudgun wrote:
.... And Britain still has a monarchy. The British media virtually never portray the monarchy in a negative light, so it will be around for the forseeable.
That can be to your advantage.

You have invested in your Monarchy, the prestige of government, the cultural ideal, held up as a kind of standard. A symbol of your country's pride, esteem and world-values.

Over here? We have an elected President. We are forced to combine the **working** leadership with the **symbolic** one.

This gets us into all sorts of problems: criticism of The President can be seen as criticism of the USA itself, even if that was never the intent.

Whereas in the UK, by separating the two, you get the freedom to criticize your leaders all that they deserve and more.

All for the modest cost of maintaining a figurehead, and as I understand it, at only a modest portion of your national budget.

:)

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1223 Aug 21, 2013
The Voice wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is like baking bread without the yeast, you could eat it but it will be flat, tasteless. Being a philanthropist has nothing to do with being a good person, the reason you make something good worthwhile is as important as the reason you have to do the right thing. Not believing in God did not spare Rebecca from being a victim of the tornado,same as the others,that is beyond the question, but an atheist has the burden of living with the weight of not being able to share their woes properly because their always an emptiness filling their hearts and a cloak covering their conscience so it is perpetually submerged in darkness.
Wrong! You really don't know much about atheist or cooking, do you?

If your example is bread, then we are totally without bread. The lack of yeast would just mean a different bread. Example: Christain and Muslim. It would not mean a complete lack of bread.

Since when are buttermilk biscuits, corn bread, waffles , pancakes and hush puppies flat and tasteless?
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#1224 Aug 21, 2013
its really amazing how deep all of you are in your religion. Its ironic that you spend all this time talking about how bad religion is.

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