Yeah ... thought you were almost 'normal' for a while. Not sure how that makes me "self centered", commenting on someone else's condition, but ... okay. Pretty sure we're all self centered to some degree or other. Of course, emotions and mental health issues are another matter. I mention my Mother more, perhaps, than I should but her experience is probably typical and seems to illustrate some of our points. As the 'baby' of the family, I realized years ago that I would probably get to watch everyone who preceded me die. I try not to let it bother me too much. We all have our allotted 'time in the Sun'... so it goes. Bit harder when someone goes before their time. But, hell ... I'm 'preaching to the choir' we're all Human and we all must bear these same burdens. Atheists just don't get to ameliorate their grief with all the 'called home' and 'in a better place' business. My Spock eyebrow gets quite a workout at funerals.<quoted text>]LOL! I was doing so well? Sounds like someone is a little self centered. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not here for your PEE pleasure.
Nature intended us to try and avoid pain? I don't think you comprehended what pain I was referring to. I was talking about emotional pain. You feel it everyday about your Mom and Friend. The pain that helps you to believe there is no God.
Pain is not a required component of building a good character? I was taught that pain was a good teacher, not only physical but emotional pain. Physical to keep you from doing what you are doing, and to not do it again. But more importantly emotional pain that drives us to help others to not suffer.
If you're awake now, and not being driven just because you have to PEE, you might want to go back and read all the maybes and the word concept. I was trying to have a reasonable conversation about the topic that really makes me wonder if people are being truthful about being atheists when they talk about GOD so much.
I find it interesting that you would quote fiction to try and prove fiction,(you do know Shakespeare was a fictionist?) right after you called me crazy.
I'm very sorry your Mom suffered the way she did, but I remember you stating that she was a Devout Christian so maybe when it is your time to expire, she will be waiting at Heaven's Gate to tell you one more time "I told you so", now come on in I have something to discuss with you. Because I believe even people that don't believe but are good people are accepted into Heaven.
You just will have to do all the cleaning. LOL!( just a joke)
Emotional pain, physical pain, loss, addiction, the comic books we read as kids ... yep ... character building stuff. An adult Human's personality is the summation of so much programming, manipulation, nurturing, education ... yada, yada, yada that assigning something like 'pain' a pivotal role may be lending it a bit too much weight. Most citizens of Western Civilization have it pretty cush ... yet character continues to get built.
I'm 61 years old. I've been what you might call a 'skeptical inquirer' since I learned to read. My Mommy quit making me go to church when I was like 13 or so. I've been on Topix since 2008. Been pondering this stuff for a lifetime and finally have a place to talk about it. Yeah. Pretty sure I ain't faking the 'NO GOD' stuff.
If there was a Shakespeare quote in the referenced post, I am not aware of it. Feel free to point it out so I'll know next time. I've got a lot of stuff swirling around the cesspool of my mind and no idea where a lot of it came from.
I firmly believe the odds of a mother and child reunion are nil. I believe the chances of anyone, regardless of their goodness or belief system, getting to a place, a heaven, after their biological functions cease are likewise nil. I believe that everything we are, everything we will ever be or have ever been, plays out during our life times and there is no more. That's it. Finito.