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# 'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

There are 7527 comments on the NewsOK.com story from Jul 5, 2013, titled 'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma. In it, NewsOK.com reports that:

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Amused
#730 Aug 2, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
see you.....if you think about it....this world/universe starting randomly and evolving just is way too far fetched. I mean what are the chances??? To me thats even more unbelievable then a God could ever be. The odds are just too great against it. It couldn't have happened. I'm curious how old you are
No, not really. The Milky Way galaxy alone has billions of stars. it is just one of an unknown, but clearly large number of galaxies, each with billions of stars. Many of those stars have planets. Even if only 1% of the billions of stars in each galaxy have one or more planets in the "goldilocks zone", neither too close nor too distant, that's still tens of millions of possible life-supporting planets in each galaxy.

If you repeat a process with a very low probability of a given outcome tens or hundreds of millions of times, the probability of the outcome being achieved at least once grows. It is like having ten million tickets in the powerball lottery. It does not guarantee that you will win, but you have a way better shot than the guy with one ticket.

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#731 Aug 2, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Shuffle a deck of cards. Lay them out face up in a row. Calculate the odds of that exact sequence coming up. Astronomical against it happening... yet there they are.
Calculating the odds of something happening after they have happened is pretty pointless, don't you think?
Agree,
Monday Morning Quarterbacking
antiatheist
#732 Aug 2, 2013
terry......you are comparing the odds of the entire universe against the odds of shuffling one deck of cards??????? Come on man you can come up with something better than that. The odds against the universe randomly happening and evolving into this perfect structure are way worse than you winning the power ball. In other words, it didn't happen.

amused you are getting way ahead of yourself. What are the chances of stars forming and the milky way galaxy even forming in the first place? Pardon the pun but its astronomical. It didn't happen. Face it.

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#733 Aug 2, 2013
What do you call the process where the foreskin of kids are removed because of religious reasons?
Child abuse.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#734 Aug 2, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
terry......you are comparing the odds of the entire universe against the odds of shuffling one deck of cards??????? Come on man you can come up with something better than that. The odds against the universe randomly happening and evolving into this perfect structure are way worse than you winning the power ball. In other words, it didn't happen.
amused you are getting way ahead of yourself. What are the chances of stars forming and the milky way galaxy even forming in the first place? Pardon the pun but its astronomical. It didn't happen. Face it.
Keep flexing your ignorance... I'm sure you're impressing someone with it.
antiatheist
#735 Aug 2, 2013
good grief swerty try and stick to the topic at hand. Don't you understand how dumb you make yourself look when you say things like that? I'm embarrassed for you.

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#736 Aug 2, 2013
Your truth hit home so hard that "antiatheist" couldn't find the reply button.
swerty wrote:
What do you call the process where the foreskin of kids are removed because of religious reasons?
Child abuse.

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#737 Aug 2, 2013
thank you
antiatheist wrote:
good grief swerty try and stick to the topic at hand. Don't you understand how dumb you make yourself look when you say things like that? I'm embarrassed for you.
antiatheist
#738 Aug 2, 2013
child abuse.......thats funny. You guys insult real child abuse victims with your comment......you should be ashamed.
AngelAngle
#739 Aug 2, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
terry......you are comparing the odds of the entire universe against the odds of shuffling one deck of cards??????? Come on man you can come up with something better than that. The odds against the universe randomly happening and evolving into this perfect structure are way worse than you winning the power ball. In other words, it didn't happen.
amused you are getting way ahead of yourself. What are the chances of stars forming and the milky way galaxy even forming in the first place? Pardon the pun but its astronomical. It didn't happen. Face it.
OK I have a simpler statistic for you. what are the odds that religions are created by a superstitious and ignorant people as a way to explain the world around them?

100% because we can trace back and find who wrote these texts. They were written by people.

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#740 Aug 2, 2013
religion is organised paedophilia and terrorisom
antiatheist wrote:
child abuse.......thats funny. You guys insult real child abuse victims with your comment......you should be ashamed.
Amused
#741 Aug 2, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
terry......you are comparing the odds of the entire universe against the odds of shuffling one deck of cards??????? Come on man you can come up with something better than that. The odds against the universe randomly happening and evolving into this perfect structure are way worse than you winning the power ball. In other words, it didn't happen.
amused you are getting way ahead of yourself. What are the chances of stars forming and the milky way galaxy even forming in the first place? Pardon the pun but its astronomical. It didn't happen. Face it.
No matter how you try to conflate them, the origins of the universe and the origins of life are two separate questions. Asking about one and then attempting to move the goalposts by claiming you were really asking about the other shows either that you don't understand the question or that you are dishonest.

Given the vastness of the universe, the origin of life on some speck of the universe is highly probable, given the number of chances, i.e. the number of possible sites.

The universe coming spontaneously into existence is less improbable that the existence of a creator which almost by definition, would need to be more complex than the creation.

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Thinking

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#742 Aug 2, 2013
Extortion, too.
swerty wrote:
religion is organised paedophilia and terrorisom<quoted text>
antiatheist
#743 Aug 2, 2013
angel........I'm gonna tell you one more time. We KNOW they were written by people. Man how many times are you going to say this? Try sticking with the topic about odds of the universe popping up by pure accident. The odds are so great it couldn't happen. Now quit trying to look at reasons why there isn't a God and concentrate on reasons why there is. You never told me your age

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Amused
#744 Aug 2, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
angel........I'm gonna tell you one more time. We KNOW they were written by people. Man how many times are you going to say this? Try sticking with the topic about odds of the universe popping up by pure accident. The odds are so great it couldn't happen. Now quit trying to look at reasons why there isn't a God and concentrate on reasons why there is. You never told me your age
Articulate your "reasons why there is". And explain why he forbids you to use the reply button.

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antiatheist
#745 Aug 2, 2013
how can you honestly believe the universe happened by chance? Give me YOUR reasons why you think something came from nothing and eventually turned into a very complex and perfect universe completely by chance. Do you now realize the odds are too great against that? Are you that dense? Are you the kind that buys power ball tickets because you think its pretty good odds?

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#746 Aug 2, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
how can you honestly believe the universe happened by chance? Give me YOUR reasons why you think something came from nothing and eventually turned into a very complex and perfect universe completely by chance. Do you now realize the odds are too great against that? Are you that dense? Are you the kind that buys power ball tickets because you think its pretty good odds?
stop being a coward and prove your god.

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#747 Aug 2, 2013
coward......lol this is an internet msg board dumb butt. It doesn't take a big man to spew your nonsense anonymously online.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#748 Aug 2, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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When you put it like that, then yes its difficult to believe that >anyone< could worship such a monster. So they resort to cherry picking the bits they like and ignoring the nasty stuff.
What's worse?

They also ignore the nasty **consequences** of the cherries they **do** pick....!

For example-- they ignore the basic attitude that is created, whenever you teach people that **everyone** is worthless pond-scum, deserving of infinite torture.

Once you teach people that? Then life itself becomes trivial and easily disposable....

One of the primary principles of hell-theology, is that everyone is worth less than pond-scum.

... uggg.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#749 Aug 2, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Yep. Most of the trolls here will say WE are the ones that have been indoctrinated! I came to my atheism on my own after having been taught religion since birth simply by actually thinking about it while actually reading the entire bible. It was after I started reading the bible that the questions I started asking of my parents and religion teachers would cause the hemming and hawing and embarrassed looks. I would usually get directed to our priest. When asked those same questions, our priest would launch into a freaking sermon style speech in which he talked so much, in so many circles, for so long that he never actually answered my questions in a meaningful way. It always boiled down to "god works in mysterious ways" (which, apparently, is only mysterious when the priest didn't have a standard answer) or "our is not to question the will of the lord". The more that happened, the more I was able to see what a crock it all was.
I was never so direct as that, not having real access to anyone so lofty as a priest/preacher.

But I did have access to "teachers", and as a child would often ask innocent questions that always made them embarrassed for some reason.

I now know, they were embarrassed because they had no reasonable or thoughtful answer.

A classic tale of the Emperor's New Clothes...

... when I first came to Topix? I still had strong sympathy for some more milder forms of theism.

To quote Douglass Adams? "mostly harmless"

I'm now not so sure that's the case... after 8 years of listening to the **consequences** of brainwashing people into faith?

I think that it's **all** harmless to a greater or lessor degree.

**that** is one of the lessons these True BelieversÂ™ have driven home all too well.

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