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'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7325 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
What gets me is the apologetic christards, who call me the rager because a christard ask me to roll my window down and I did. He spoke his nonsense first then i spoke mine. What ever you do bro, leave the windows up on your vehicle and act very afraid of christards so you dont offend said christards.
Many of them do seem to think they ought to get a special exemption from critical analysis.

And these same folk see nothing at all wrong with calling non-believers "scum" or "devils' minions" or even worse.

They really hate it when you turn their hate back on them, though. I've learned this on Topix over the years; if you point out that they are being hateful?

They will claim it is you who is being hateful.

Imagine that?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7326 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Christards just read around the edges and make things appear the way they want, then start believing it. I guess he wasnt smart enough to read this
"I had to listen to this crackhead preach to me until the light turned green"
Meaning that after the light turned green, I was done with him like a used prophylactic and continued on my way.
If you listen to him, I would have approached the intersection in reverse, going the wrong direction, with the opposite turn signal on and parking in the middle of the intersection, then got out of my truck, took all of my clothes off and took a shit on the hood of my truck. Theres only one thing that would make this true -> CHRISTARD JUST HAS TO SAY IT.
LMAO!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7327 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for being one of the logical ones. While I think you said your piece with class, Greek philosophers would not agree with you. I also don't think Richard Dawkins would either, especially after I saw him go to the (Meth induced, male prostitute loving) ted haggard's congregation and told him he was full of shit. Have you seen the god Delusion? Socrates was told by everyone in the whole town to RUN! but he didn't he, accepted his punishment for corrupting the youth. The death of Seneca was worse because he ripped his own veins out with a knife. If you want to sit idle and let christards use their bully tactics that's up to you but keep in mind that knowledge not shared is knowledge wasted and if you don't care for a solution, you are part of the problem. Epicurus lived before jeebus was thought about and came out with a really neat formula.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Again thank you for the logical post!
Epicurus, he was a genius.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7328 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to christards who want to bully. Please note that I DO NOT HATE GOD, anymore than unicorns, dragons, tooth fairy, etc. How can someone hate a thing they don't believe exists.
Want to know what pisses me off though? When someone tries to sell me an invisible car. Then they come at me again trying to sell an invisible car again, next week and the next and the next...I cant even go to lunch without someone trying to sell me an invisible car. When you come up with a car that I can actually see and drive, by all means look me up.
Indeed.

Religion is the ultimate scam:

First, they make you think you have this ... "problem" (the fictional sin they invented)

Then they claim they have the "cure" for this fictional problem.

And finally, they claim they are the exclusive dealer for the "cure".

It's a neatly closed loop-- and they get tax credits for this scam, too.

If only I didn't have a strong sense of honesty, I could **be** one of those do-nothing preachers...

... telling hate-filled folk that their hates are "justified" and that the Greater Universe thinks that **they** are ... "special".

... upon second thought?

My gag reflex is too strong for such things...
Thinking

Wellingborough, UK

#7329 Apr 17, 2014
You are indeed insane.
antiatheist wrote:
how does it feel to be part of a crazy fringe group? I've always wondered if people know they are insane or is it just everyone else that knows.
Thinking

Wellingborough, UK

#7330 Apr 17, 2014
I've re evaluated. Over half of British young adults are non believers. Only 25% say they believe in god. Your "majority" is dying of old age.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/06/24/british-y...
antiatheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Hill I love it how you try to be impressive. Makes me chuckle. Think about it hard Hill, thats 97.6%. You might want to reevaluate.
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7332 Apr 17, 2014
So What wrote:
<quoted text>LOL! I want to introduce everyone to Karen. Karen has special issues. She is mad at me because I stated that I believe that hydraulic fracturing was not causing our earth quakes, on another forum.
I suspected it was her so I got her to post enough today so she would allow me to see it was her. Apparently she didn't believe me when I told her that blogging was like finger prints and over time I could tell that someone was posting under another tag, some time ago.
Karen isn't very smart. She has posted her real name, her families names, her family's business name, and where she has previously worked. Now she is trying to use a new identity to try and start a new blogging life so she can continue to troll.
She is extremely Liberal, so liberal she has a hard time finding someone that completely agrees with her. She likes to hook on to people that agree with her on a few issues, then when you disagree with her, she turns on you like a rabid dog. Quite sad actually. She has at least 30 tags and trolls all of them. She will spend hours building up posts then dump them on a forum for days on end, just to prevent people from wanting to return to the forum.
Someone open a window, it smells like dirty diapers in here.
Isnt it amazing that I can be so many people? A road rager, a criminal, now a woman. You have really shown your stupidity on this one. I'll stick with my original post I put on you. I think you are a pedophile..
Amused

Lowell, MA

#7333 Apr 17, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for being one of the logical ones. While I think you said your piece with class, Greek philosophers would not agree with you. I also don't think Richard Dawkins would either, especially after I saw him go to the (Meth induced, male prostitute loving) ted haggard's congregation and told him he was full of shit. Have you seen the god Delusion? Socrates was told by everyone in the whole town to RUN! but he didn't he, accepted his punishment for corrupting the youth. The death of Seneca was worse because he ripped his own veins out with a knife. If you want to sit idle and let christards use their bully tactics that's up to you but keep in mind that knowledge not shared is knowledge wasted and if you don't care for a solution, you are part of the problem. Epicurus lived before jeebus was thought about and came out with a really neat formula.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Again thank you for the logical post!
I guess our thinking diverges because of different influences. I'm not Asian, but I live and work with many Asian people, the majority of whom are Buddhist. I'm not Buddhist, because I can't accept the ideas about reincarnation as being any less mythical than the western heaven/hell story. But I am influenced by ideas like the need to find your own enlightenment.

I'm an atheist. That's the answer I've figured out. Other people may have found something else that works for them. I'm not interested in having them force their ideas on me, but I am also not interested in pushing my ideas on them. I am not an atheist missionary. My responsibility is to work on my own head and be the best I can be. I will point out flaws in other's logic, or inconsistencies in their ideas, or factual errors, but only to provoke them to think harder about what is true for them.

It isn't a dichotomy between fighting for what you believe vs. running away, which I think is the underlying thought in your post, but rather saying this is what works for me, and giving others the space to work things out for themselves.

I've also just habituated into Asian ideas about the value of harmony. In most Asian cultures, showing anger is very uncool. There's a big emphasis on maintaining calm and avoiding causing unpleasant situations. I just habitually look for ways to minimize conflict. Yelling at a panhandler or someone prosletyzing for ideas I don't agree with just seems a pointless distraction. To me, better to just disengage and stay focused on accomplishing what I need to get done. Most of the religious people you meet did not adopt their beliefs out of reason and logic. They adopt them out of emotional needs, or as a result of indoctrination. In the end, you can't reason someone out of beliefs they did not accept through reason.

Since: Aug 13

Dallas, TX

#7334 Apr 17, 2014
In times of crisis, faith communities often step in to provide emergency assistance or to help those who are most poor and desperate. Proselytizing aside, churches are able to provide real service because they have both the will and the necessary infrastructure. Increasingly, atheists and humanists are saying, we need to do the same. Since 2010, the Foundation Beyond Belief has given away almost $1.5 million raised from nonbelievers who can give as little as $5 a month, and is now turning attention to building a corps of humanist volunteers, which is also a focus of the Harvard community. In July, the Foundation Beyond Belief will host its first conference, Humanism at Work.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#7335 Apr 17, 2014
more people in England believe in aliens than in God. Ha..pretty much says it all about you guys. The article also says over 5 millions Brits believe the moon landing was faked.
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7336 Apr 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
<quoted text>
Your mother must be so proud.
As a matter of fact my mother is very proud of me. Whether its a limb on the roof, her lawn needing mowed, the hot water heater went out or she just wants to have diner with me, I also bought her a car which was the nicest one she had ever had at the time. I am always there for my mother. I never forget a mothers day or a birthday either. To say that my mother is proud of me is an understatement.
Congratulations, you finally got something right.
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7337 Apr 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
more people in England believe in aliens than in God. Ha..pretty much says it all about you guys
Okay this statement is 'stoopid' How does people anywhere in the world believing in aliens have anything to do with someone not believing in god?
"thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free"
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7338 Apr 17, 2014
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess our thinking diverges because of different influences. I'm not Asian, but I live and work with many Asian people, the majority of whom are Buddhist. I'm not Buddhist, because I can't accept the ideas about reincarnation as being any less mythical than the western heaven/hell story. But I am influenced by ideas like the need to find your own enlightenment.
I'm an atheist. That's the answer I've figured out. Other people may have found something else that works for them. I'm not interested in having them force their ideas on me, but I am also not interested in pushing my ideas on them. I am not an atheist missionary. My responsibility is to work on my own head and be the best I can be. I will point out flaws in other's logic, or inconsistencies in their ideas, or factual errors, but only to provoke them to think harder about what is true for them.
It isn't a dichotomy between fighting for what you believe vs. running away, which I think is the underlying thought in your post, but rather saying this is what works for me, and giving others the space to work things out for themselves.
I've also just habituated into Asian ideas about the value of harmony. In most Asian cultures, showing anger is very uncool. There's a big emphasis on maintaining calm and avoiding causing unpleasant situations. I just habitually look for ways to minimize conflict. Yelling at a panhandler or someone prosletyzing for ideas I don't agree with just seems a pointless distraction. To me, better to just disengage and stay focused on accomplishing what I need to get done. Most of the religious people you meet did not adopt their beliefs out of reason and logic. They adopt them out of emotional needs, or as a result of indoctrination. In the end, you can't reason someone out of beliefs they did not accept through reason.
Who really gives a shit? Your post is filled with passive aggressive remarks. I don't care what you or anyone else believes. My point is that I'M NOT INTERESTED IN AN INVISIBLE CAR.
You seem to feel the urge to be thought of as a critical thinker but you just shoot your mouth off like a gatling gun without even trying to comprehend what someone has said. If you address me in the future please try to think before you post because as it is now, you can NOT be taken seriously. Your perception that you are better than AA is a moot point and no one cares. I'm not trying to convince anyone I am more of a man than AA or anyone else; he may be a good man. The point I'm trying to make is that I'M NOT INTERESTED IN AN INVISIBLE CAR!

HOW CAN I SAY THIS ANY MORE CLEAR…? I’M NOT INTERESTED IN AN INVISIBLE CAR!!!
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7339 Apr 17, 2014
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess our thinking diverges because of different influences. I'm not Asian, but I live and work with many Asian people, the majority of whom are Buddhist. I'm not Buddhist, because I can't accept the ideas about reincarnation as being any less mythical than the western heaven/hell story. But I am influenced by ideas like the need to find your own enlightenment.
I'm an atheist. That's the answer I've figured out. Other people may have found something else that works for them. I'm not interested in having them force their ideas on me, but I am also not interested in pushing my ideas on them. I am not an atheist missionary. My responsibility is to work on my own head and be the best I can be. I will point out flaws in other's logic, or inconsistencies in their ideas, or factual errors, but only to provoke them to think harder about what is true for them.
It isn't a dichotomy between fighting for what you believe vs. running away, which I think is the underlying thought in your post, but rather saying this is what works for me, and giving others the space to work things out for themselves.
I've also just habituated into Asian ideas about the value of harmony. In most Asian cultures, showing anger is very uncool. There's a big emphasis on maintaining calm and avoiding causing unpleasant situations. I just habitually look for ways to minimize conflict. Yelling at a panhandler or someone prosletyzing for ideas I don't agree with just seems a pointless distraction. To me, better to just disengage and stay focused on accomplishing what I need to get done. Most of the religious people you meet did not adopt their beliefs out of reason and logic. They adopt them out of emotional needs, or as a result of indoctrination. In the end, you can't reason someone out of beliefs they did not accept through reason.
I owe you an apology, please forgive me. My response was intended for 'SO WHAT'
I make mistakes, it must be because I'm not a christain.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#7340 Apr 17, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay this statement is 'stoopid' How does people anywhere in the world believing in aliens have anything to do with someone not believing in god?
"thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a dryer without Cling Free"
It shows how willing the British are to believe in nonsense. Aliens? No moon landing? Ha.....glad I don't live there.
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7342 Apr 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
<quoted text>
It shows how willing the British are to believe in nonsense. Aliens? No moon landing? Ha.....glad I don't live there.
You know that's bullshit. that's like me saying if someone drinks, then they must also smoke. Or people who do not smoke must not drink. There is not even a fraction of causation. Whats sad is that there isnt even any proof of correlation.
1) Ice cream sales increase in the summer.
2) Road rage increases in the summer
Synopsis: Ice cream causes road rage.
Even as stupid as this analogy seems it actually contains more correlation than your post. did you think of that by yourself? Of course you did...
Amused

Lowell, MA

#7343 Apr 17, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
I owe you an apology, please forgive me. My response was intended for 'SO WHAT'
I make mistakes, it must be because I'm not a christain.
Apology accepted.
So What

Newalla, OK

#7344 Apr 17, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Someone open a window, it smells like dirty diapers in here.
Isnt it amazing that I can be so many people? A road rager, a criminal, now a woman. You have really shown your stupidity on this one. I'll stick with my original post I put on you. I think you are a pedophile..
LOL! What ever, KAREN. I want to remind you about the forum that was started for the purpose of warning people to stay away from your husband's restaurant because you were a ill tempered socialist. You should refer back to it, and look and read who was the only one that took up for you by say it wasn't right that they attack YOUR husbands restaurant and YOUR family members just because they didn't agree with your extreme liberal views.

Why you decided to go on an extremely conservative forum and proceed to trash them and give them your personal info at the same time is beyond my thought process. But if you want to step into the ring with me I think it would only be fair to warn you that it is a very small world and because of your big mouth you have made a lot of enemies not only on topix forums but your personal and professional life as well.

antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#7345 Apr 17, 2014
So What wrote:
<quoted text>LOL! What ever, KAREN. I want to remind you about the forum that was started for the purpose of warning people to stay away from your husband's restaurant because you were a ill tempered socialist. You should refer back to it, and look and read who was the only one that took up for you by say it wasn't right that they attack YOUR husbands restaurant and YOUR family members just because they didn't agree with your extreme liberal views.
Why you decided to go on an extremely conservative forum and proceed to trash them and give them your personal info at the same time is beyond my thought process. But if you want to step into the ring with me I think it would only be fair to warn you that it is a very small world and because of your big mouth you have made a lot of enemies not only on topix forums but your personal and professional life as well.
so what are you saying OKC is Karen?
Thinking

Wellingborough, UK

#7346 Apr 17, 2014
In a vast universe, possibly only one of many, alien life is very likely.

Yet we know for sure there is no all powerful compassionate god because we have evidence of avoidable suffering.
antiatheist wrote:
more people in England believe in aliens than in God.

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