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'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7305 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
And whats with all the poop in the bible anyway? especially people eating it?
2 Kings 18:27
New International Version (NIV)
27 But the commander replied,“Was it only to your master and you that my master sent me to say these things, and not to the people sitting on the wall—who, like you, will have to eat their own excrement and drink their own urine?”
The BuyBull is an ugly book.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7306 Apr 16, 2014
So What wrote:
<quoted text>You should have told him that you would prefer he pray for you because at least he would be doing something more acceptably correct than what he was doing at the time.
Don't deny yourself an opportunity to do what is right just because you don't believe God exists. When you do, you become part of the problem.
The dilapidation of our society is not because of the lack of religious values, it is the lack of moral values.
Oh, I agree-- the lack of moral values.

Sadly, the majority of christian churches do not actually teach **moral** values. They teach blind obedience to authority instead.

Which isn't the same thing-- at all.

A mechanical robot will blindly obey the rules it's programmed with.

A **thinking** person should be more than that.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#7307 Apr 16, 2014
So What wrote:
<quoted text>LOL! He doesn't get a job because he is unemployable. He is a bum that is using religion to get people to feel sorry for him. YOU see it as a reason to hate and jump all over the opportunity. He didn't hold up traffic, YOU held up traffic by rolling down your window and spewing hate out of it. You committed ROAD RAGE. I would have been the one be hide you blowing my horn because I've got better things to do with my time than watching you be a dumbass.
OKC hasn't said anything, but the exchange he describes could have occurred entirely within the red cycle, in which case traffic would not be affected.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#7308 Apr 16, 2014
Looking back, that's what appears to have happened: "I had to listen to this crackhead preach to me until the light turned green."
Amused

Lowell, MA

#7309 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Fair enough... Why do we give christards the time of day in here then? Why dont we just ignore AA and other christards? Like leaving our window up?
Why don't we just let westboro baptist church do their thing at all of these funerals, without anyone to show their sick of it? Have you personally been to a funeral that was protested by these assholes? Where do we draw a line saying this is okay and this isn't? I will draw it and see if you agree
Christians / Christards.
As for AA, I agree. He's a troll, and we (myself included) rise to the bait far more often than we should. As for other theist posters, I judge them individually. If they are just here to prosletyze, or expecting that simply by proclaiming their myth, we will all fall into line, they aren't worth the trouble. Occasionally, although not often, a theist who is genuinely open to give and take ambles into the forum. Same principle as I stated before, if you give anger, you will get anger. AA came here with a chip on his shoulder. He brought anger/hatred and his negative energy just produces more negative energy in response.

WBC are just attention wh*res. They thrive off provoking reactions. I know they have made money from lawsuits claiming their rights were violated by various efforts to squelch their protests. I've often thought that the whole thing was just a scam. That they act in a deliberately outrageous manner to provoke a well-intentioned but illegal attempt to stifle them so that they can bring lawsuits to make money.

I don't think there is any firm line. Some folks are more sensitive or more aggressive than others. I don't take offense at panhandlers politely asking. If I say no and they persist, I may be annoyed, but again, what's the point in escalating the situation? Just disengage and forget it. Same as people who do stupid things while driving. You can work yourself up into a rage or you can just forget it and focus on getting where you are going.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#7310 Apr 16, 2014
well I haven't been keeping up with this today but after scanning some comments I'm always amazed at the amount of hate you guys have for Christians, the bible, and especially God. Its actually pretty scary that there are people like this in the world. Truth be told I bet you would be more than happy to put all believers in prison if you could. It might actually come to that one day even here in America.
So What

Newalla, OK

#7311 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
1) "YOU held up traffic by rolling down your window" The minute the light turned green I moved which makes your post a fallacious assumption.
2) "spewing hate out of it" another fallacious assumption on your part. The truth falls where it may and is sometimes hurtful truth is not equivocal to hate.
3) "You committed ROAD RAGE" another christard comment
4) "I would have been the one be hide you blowing my horn because I've got better things to do with my time than watching you be a dumbass."
Here's where I stoop to your level... How many children have you molested? The motive of evil is to disguise and you have chosen to hide behind religion, while at the same time gaining access to victims. You're like swaggart, All the while you rant, you're actually fighting your own temptations, inequities and repressive doctrines.
As far as you honking your horn... I honestly dont think you would ever honk your horn at me or anyone else because of your cowardice, sheepish nature. You cant even seem aggressive on a message board.
LOL! Which is longer; your arrest record, or your employment record? When you figure it out, let us know, along with how many divorces you've had. Tough Guy
So What

Newalla, OK

#7312 Apr 16, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I agree-- the lack of moral values.
Sadly, the majority of christian churches do not actually teach **moral** values. They teach blind obedience to authority instead.
Which isn't the same thing-- at all.
A mechanical robot will blindly obey the rules it's programmed with.
A **thinking** person should be more than that.
This is just my opinion, but when someone tells you they totally believe the Bible, they aren't being truthful. I can't, there's to much that can be disproved. I've had people tell me that my interest in science and world history has caused me to be narrow minded in my religious beliefs. My rebut is; at least I'm not a hypocrite. And for some reason, that always seems to stop the conversation.
So What

Newalla, OK

#7313 Apr 16, 2014
"I believe what I believe, and I can't believe anymore than that"

Me
So What

Newalla, OK

#7314 Apr 16, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
OKC hasn't said anything, but the exchange he describes could have occurred entirely within the red cycle, in which case traffic would not be affected.
I will admit that I stirred the pot a bit, and look what came floating to the top.
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7315 Apr 16, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
See?
To properly understand the Holey BuyBull-- it really helps if you've been on crack for years and years.
LMAO!
What gets me is the apologetic christards, who call me the rager because a christard ask me to roll my window down and I did. He spoke his nonsense first then i spoke mine. What ever you do bro, leave the windows up on your vehicle and act very afraid of christards so you dont offend said christards.
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7316 Apr 16, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
OKC hasn't said anything, but the exchange he describes could have occurred entirely within the red cycle, in which case traffic would not be affected.
Christards just read around the edges and make things appear the way they want, then start believing it. I guess he wasnt smart enough to read this
"I had to listen to this crackhead preach to me until the light turned green"
Meaning that after the light turned green, I was done with him like a used prophylactic and continued on my way.
If you listen to him, I would have approached the intersection in reverse, going the wrong direction, with the opposite turn signal on and parking in the middle of the intersection, then got out of my truck, took all of my clothes off and took a shit on the hood of my truck. Theres only one thing that would make this true -> CHRISTARD JUST HAS TO SAY IT.
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7317 Apr 16, 2014
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
As for AA, I agree. He's a troll, and we (myself included) rise to the bait far more often than we should. As for other theist posters, I judge them individually. If they are just here to prosletyze, or expecting that simply by proclaiming their myth, we will all fall into line, they aren't worth the trouble. Occasionally, although not often, a theist who is genuinely open to give and take ambles into the forum. Same principle as I stated before, if you give anger, you will get anger. AA came here with a chip on his shoulder. He brought anger/hatred and his negative energy just produces more negative energy in response.
WBC are just attention wh*res. They thrive off provoking reactions. I know they have made money from lawsuits claiming their rights were violated by various efforts to squelch their protests. I've often thought that the whole thing was just a scam. That they act in a deliberately outrageous manner to provoke a well-intentioned but illegal attempt to stifle them so that they can bring lawsuits to make money.
I don't think there is any firm line. Some folks are more sensitive or more aggressive than others. I don't take offense at panhandlers politely asking. If I say no and they persist, I may be annoyed, but again, what's the point in escalating the situation? Just disengage and forget it. Same as people who do stupid things while driving. You can work yourself up into a rage or you can just forget it and focus on getting where you are going.
Thank you for being one of the logical ones. While I think you said your piece with class, Greek philosophers would not agree with you. I also don't think Richard Dawkins would either, especially after I saw him go to the (Meth induced, male prostitute loving) ted haggard's congregation and told him he was full of shit. Have you seen the god Delusion? Socrates was told by everyone in the whole town to RUN! but he didn't he, accepted his punishment for corrupting the youth. The death of Seneca was worse because he ripped his own veins out with a knife. If you want to sit idle and let christards use their bully tactics that's up to you but keep in mind that knowledge not shared is knowledge wasted and if you don't care for a solution, you are part of the problem. Epicurus lived before jeebus was thought about and came out with a really neat formula.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Again thank you for the logical post!
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#7318 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Christards just read around the edges and make things appear the way they want, then start believing it. I guess he wasnt smart enough to read this
"I had to listen to this crackhead preach to me until the light turned green"
Meaning that after the light turned green, I was done with him like a used prophylactic and continued on my way.
If you listen to him, I would have approached the intersection in reverse, going the wrong direction, with the opposite turn signal on and parking in the middle of the intersection, then got out of my truck, took all of my clothes off and took a shit on the hood of my truck. Theres only one thing that would make this true -> CHRISTARD JUST HAS TO SAY IT.
okc you are one hate filled individual. Do you really talk this way in real life? Is this really how you are???? Sad
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7319 Apr 16, 2014
So What wrote:
<quoted text>LOL! Which is longer; your arrest record, or your employment record? When you figure it out, let us know, along with how many divorces you've had. Tough Guy
I thought I smelled dirty diapers and it was you, the love child of rush limbaugh, ted bundy, jimmy swaggart and jerry sandusky...

Even if I did have a long arrest record as well as employment record, what affect does it have on you? Am I impeding traffic am i bothering anyone? And how is this affecting you, unless you got a few loose teeth from laying on the horn. You sir are not going to do anything, to anyone, anytime because you are a fraction of a man. Your posts are the words from a true imbecile. In real life you do as you are told and you don't buck the system. If an alpha male told you to put lipstick and a dress on or you were going to get beat up, you would do it because that's who you are... A fraction of a man. I ALMOST FORGOT! I'm willing to bet that you have a birth defect in your intestines. it is somehow contaminating your prefrontal cortex, giving you "Shit for Brains"
OKC

Oklahoma City, OK

#7320 Apr 16, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
<quoted text>
okc you are one hate filled individual. Do you really talk this way in real life? Is this really how you are???? Sad
Just to christards who want to bully. Please note that I DO NOT HATE GOD, anymore than unicorns, dragons, tooth fairy, etc. How can someone hate a thing they don't believe exists.
Want to know what pisses me off though? When someone tries to sell me an invisible car. Then they come at me again trying to sell an invisible car again, next week and the next and the next...I cant even go to lunch without someone trying to sell me an invisible car. When you come up with a car that I can actually see and drive, by all means look me up.
So What

Newalla, OK

#7321 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought I smelled dirty diapers and it was you, the love child of rush limbaugh, ted bundy, jimmy swaggart and jerry sandusky...
Even if I did have a long arrest record as well as employment record, what affect does it have on you? Am I impeding traffic am i bothering anyone? And how is this affecting you, unless you got a few loose teeth from laying on the horn. You sir are not going to do anything, to anyone, anytime because you are a fraction of a man. Your posts are the words from a true imbecile. In real life you do as you are told and you don't buck the system. If an alpha male told you to put lipstick and a dress on or you were going to get beat up, you would do it because that's who you are... A fraction of a man. I ALMOST FORGOT! I'm willing to bet that you have a birth defect in your intestines. it is somehow contaminating your prefrontal cortex, giving you "Shit for Brains"
LOL! I want to introduce everyone to Karen. Karen has special issues. She is mad at me because I stated that I believe that hydraulic fracturing was not causing our earth quakes, on another forum.

I suspected it was her so I got her to post enough today so she would allow me to see it was her. Apparently she didn't believe me when I told her that blogging was like finger prints and over time I could tell that someone was posting under another tag, some time ago.

Karen isn't very smart. She has posted her real name, her families names, her family's business name, and where she has previously worked. Now she is trying to use a new identity to try and start a new blogging life so she can continue to troll.

She is extremely Liberal, so liberal she has a hard time finding someone that completely agrees with her. She likes to hook on to people that agree with her on a few issues, then when you disagree with her, she turns on you like a rabid dog. Quite sad actually. She has at least 30 tags and trolls all of them. She will spend hours building up posts then dump them on a forum for days on end, just to prevent people from wanting to return to the forum.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#7322 Apr 16, 2014
OKC wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to christards who want to bully. Please note that I DO NOT HATE GOD, anymore than unicorns, dragons, tooth fairy, etc. How can someone hate a thing they don't believe exists.
Want to know what pisses me off though? When someone tries to sell me an invisible car. Then they come at me again trying to sell an invisible car again, next week and the next and the next...I cant even go to lunch without someone trying to sell me an invisible car. When you come up with a car that I can actually see and drive, by all means look me up.
Your mother must be so proud.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7323 Apr 16, 2014
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
As for AA, I agree. He's a troll, and we (myself included) rise to the bait far more often than we should. As for other theist posters, I judge them individually. If they are just here to prosletyze, or expecting that simply by proclaiming their myth, we will all fall into line, they aren't worth the trouble. Occasionally, although not often, a theist who is genuinely open to give and take ambles into the forum. Same principle as I stated before, if you give anger, you will get anger. AA came here with a chip on his shoulder. He brought anger/hatred and his negative energy just produces more negative energy in response.
WBC are just attention wh*res. They thrive off provoking reactions. I know they have made money from lawsuits claiming their rights were violated by various efforts to squelch their protests. I've often thought that the whole thing was just a scam. That they act in a deliberately outrageous manner to provoke a well-intentioned but illegal attempt to stifle them so that they can bring lawsuits to make money.
I don't think there is any firm line. Some folks are more sensitive or more aggressive than others. I don't take offense at panhandlers politely asking. If I say no and they persist, I may be annoyed, but again, what's the point in escalating the situation? Just disengage and forget it. Same as people who do stupid things while driving. You can work yourself up into a rage or you can just forget it and focus on getting where you are going.
I agree with your analysis-- some folk are just horrid people, regardless of their worldview.

Anti is one of those.

Whereas there it is a rare theist who you can have a polite discussion with (on Topix at least). I do enjoy those discussions.

But as you point out, Anti is just a troll-- there's nothing there, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7324 Apr 16, 2014
So What wrote:
<quoted text>This is just my opinion, but when someone tells you they totally believe the Bible, they aren't being truthful. I can't, there's to much that can be disproved. I've had people tell me that my interest in science and world history has caused me to be narrow minded in my religious beliefs. My rebut is; at least I'm not a hypocrite. And for some reason, that always seems to stop the conversation.
:)

Yes-- that can be a show-stopper, whenever you point out that they are being hypocritical where you are not.

I grew up enjoying and studying science-- my parents always subscribed to National Geographic magazine, which I loved even before I could read.

For many years, I did not see any conflict between church (of which I went 3 times a week or more) and the science I found so fascinating.

I still think it's possible to do both-- but you have to be flexible minded with regards to the religious parts, or else you'll apt to find that science contradicts much of it.

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