'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

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antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#629 Jul 31, 2013
well then you never were a Christian. You never knew Him.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#630 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
well then you never were a Christian. You never knew Him.
No true Scotsman, eh?
AngelAngle

Dallas, TX

#631 Jul 31, 2013
Religions were created. You can look up when and by whom. You can trace back through generations and watch them evolve.
You can see similarities between many religions:
Characters,Holidays,Journeys that the protagonist went on, Stories involving natural disasters, Promise of some kind of an afterlife or enlightenment or reincarnation.

I am often asked, rudely usually, if I am an atheist then prove God doesn't exist. My response is to prove that he DOES exist but as a creation of man. He is just as real as Oliver Twist, Moby Dick or Ebenezer Scrooge. I have read these books many times and enjoyed the stories contained within but thats as far as i take it.

antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#633 Jul 31, 2013
atheists crack me up. They act like all the burden is on the Christian to prove God does exist. This is complete hogwash. If they believe there is no God then they must have some evidence of that but they never can come up with any. They don't believe in creation yet they have no clue about how the universe began. If they did they would show some evidence of both. I guess they are saying when you believe in nothing you have nothing to prove. How convenient.
Amused

Princeton, MA

#634 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
lol amused.........great name. It fits you well. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that last sentence.
Actually, the nom de plume comes from an Elvis Costello song, and specifically the line, "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused."
Thinking

UK

#635 Jul 31, 2013
Calm down, dear.
antiatheist wrote:
atheists crack me up. They act like all the burden is on the Christian to prove God does exist. This is complete hogwash. If they believe there is no God then they must have some evidence of that but they never can come up with any. They don't believe in creation yet they have no clue about how the universe began. If they did they would show some evidence of both. I guess they are saying when you believe in nothing you have nothing to prove. How convenient.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#636 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
atheists crack me up. They act like all the burden is on the Christian to prove God does exist. This is complete hogwash. If they believe there is no God then they must have some evidence of that but they never can come up with any.
The lack of evidence for any deity when there *should* be evidence is sufficient.
They don't believe in creation yet they have no clue about how the universe began. If they did they would show some evidence of both. I guess they are saying when you believe in nothing you have nothing to prove. How convenient.
You are assuming the only way the universe can come about is through some intelligent agent. The fact is that we *know* that at the quantum level particles spontaneously appear and disappear all the time. Further, we know that the total energy balance of the universe is *zero*, so no violation of conservation laws happens when the universe appears from a quantum fluctuation. Now, this is *one* possibility. We have limited evidence for how the universe came to be, so it is best to withhold belief until the evidence is in.

And that is the point. The *default* for anything, without evidence, is non-existence. Without evidence, it is best to withhold belief at least until more evidence is gathered. When the evidence has been gathered and the object *should* show up, but doesn't, that is enough to prove non-existence.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#637 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
atheists crack me up. They act like all the burden is on the Christian to prove God does exist. This is complete hogwash. If they believe there is no God then they must have some evidence of that but they never can come up with any. They don't believe in creation yet they have no clue about how the universe began. If they did they would show some evidence of both. I guess they are saying when you believe in nothing you have nothing to prove. How convenient.
Nope. I use the same methodology to not have a belief in your 'god' as you use to not believe in Odin... the complete and utter lack of any evidence for its existence.(BTW... words in a book, the say so of your parents, and warm fuzzy feelings are not evidence of a 'god')

If you want to believe your 'god' is real, that's your prerogative. If you want me to believe it, prove it.

"Convenient" is accepting "god-did-it" as an answer for anything. There is no lazier or moronic way to 'answer' a question
AngelAngle

Dallas, TX

#638 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
atheists crack me up. They act like all the burden is on the Christian to prove God does exist. This is complete hogwash. If they believe there is no God then they must have some evidence of that but they never can come up with any. They don't believe in creation yet they have no clue about how the universe began. If they did they would show some evidence of both. I guess they are saying when you believe in nothing you have nothing to prove. How convenient.
1st part of the rebuttal:
Of course the burden of proof to prove the Christian God is the one true God is on Christians. Who else would it be on?

If you are a salesman selling a product its up to the salesman to make the argument as to why their product is superior.

Your not going to have a Dodge dealer say " the Ram 1500 is the best truck on the road and its up to you(the customer)to prove that its not."
They would never make a sale that way.

They would prove to you that it is a good truck: test drive,MPG,J.D. Powers awards etc.

2nd part of the rebuttal:
Myself and many others on here have repeatedly spoon fed you our answers as to how we arrived at our atheism and our conclusions on religion. I just put a post up explaining how religions can be traced back to the people that wrote them.As well as the similarities between them. The newer religions borrow from the older religions and add the borrowed information as their own.it happens all the time and can be documented.

3rd part of rebuttal:
Again, myself and others have explained time and time again the Big Bang, Amino acids, evolution,planet formation and on and on. We have posted links to scientific websites to back up our claims. We have done so politely and maturely,our efforts are usually met with cynicism and insults.Often times a well crafted and thought out atheist statement is countered by a very short, unprepared and unpolished creationist claim.Usually afterwards we feel as if we have wasted our time trying to have an adult conversation with someone who is trying to have a teenage conversation

4th part of rebuttal:
your final statement is a dismissal saying that "when you believe in nothing you have nothing to prove." I find this disheartening because there are many posts on here of people explaining their current stances on religion,science etc. Again,lengthy explanations which are well written and backed up with legitimate documentation.I have seen us quote more scripture than you do, which makes me feel that we may have studied the "Good Book" a little more than yourself. Yet,it seems our efforts fall on deaf ears.

As always,I look forward to your responses. I hope we may one day find a little common ground.
Thinking

UK

#639 Jul 31, 2013
You're talking about screwing choirboys again.
antiatheist wrote:
Christians do what more that atheists ever thought about doing.
LCN Llin

United States

#640 Jul 31, 2013
SAN ANTONIO (The Borowitz Report)—Texas Gov. Rick Perry announced yesterday that he would not seek reëlection, telling supporters,

“The time has come to pass the mantle of leadership to a new generation of boneheads.”

“I’ve had a good run,” he said.“But after twelve years, someone else who isn’t playing with a full deck should take a turn at the wheel.”

Reflecting on his twelve years as governor, Mr. Perry said that he had “no regrets” except for being incoherent the entire time.

Before leaving office, Gov. Perry said that he would propose three signature bills “just to let future Texans know how Rick Perry marked his territory.”

The first bill would require all voters in the state to have an I.D. with a photo of a white person;
the second would force anyone filibustering an anti-abortion bill to ride a mechanical bull;
and the third he could not remember.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#641 Jul 31, 2013
nope terry.........if you don't wanna believe then that is totally up to you. Just go away and stop crying everytime God is mentioned. We won't bother you and you won't bother us. Problem solved.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#642 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
nope terry.........if you don't wanna believe then that is totally up to you. Just go away and stop crying everytime God is mentioned. We won't bother you and you won't bother us. Problem solved.
The 'problem" won't be solved until you and your ilk can keep your religion out of public school science classes and from being written into laws that govern everyone. Until that time, your ignorance and outright stupidity will be pointed out at every opportunity. Get used to it
Thinking

UK

#643 Jul 31, 2013
Like pointing out his woeful inability to use "reply" properly...
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>The 'problem" won't be solved until you and your ilk can keep your religion out of public school science classes and from being written into laws that govern everyone. Until that time, your ignorance and outright stupidity will be pointed out at every opportunity. Get used to it
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#644 Jul 31, 2013
oh darn I thought you were going to be able to make 2 or 3 posts without using the old tried and true atheism talk......ilk. You forgot "zealot" and "bigot". I'm sure you will get to them later. I took science all through hs and I don't once recall God being brought up. Or any kind of religion. You want evolution to be taught? Well that certainly has not been proven to be the origin of mankind. You want YOUR religion taught. Thats the issue.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#645 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
nope terry.........if you don't wanna believe then that is totally up to you. Just go away and stop crying everytime God is mentioned. We won't bother you and you won't bother us. Problem solved.
Stop lying to us so pathetically about a god you can't even prove, there's a good idiot.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#646 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
oh darn I thought you were going to be able to make 2 or 3 posts without using the old tried and true atheism talk......ilk. You forgot "zealot" and "bigot". I'm sure you will get to them later. I took science all through hs and I don't once recall God being brought up. Or any kind of religion. You want evolution to be taught? Well that certainly has not been proven to be the origin of mankind. You want YOUR religion taught. Thats the issue.
Idiots who deny the evolution need psychological help.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#647 Jul 31, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Like pointing out his woeful inability to use "reply" properly...
<quoted text>
He/she's is probably too giddy with delight at just being able to work the 'puter and git wirds to show up on that thar screeny thing

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#648 Jul 31, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
oh darn I thought you were going to be able to make 2 or 3 posts without using the old tried and true atheism talk......ilk. You forgot "zealot" and "bigot". I'm sure you will get to them later. I took science all through hs and I don't once recall God being brought up. Or any kind of religion. You want evolution to be taught? Well that certainly has not been proven to be the origin of mankind. You want YOUR religion taught. Thats the issue.
I should know better than to try and converse with a troll. I really don't know why you guys get off on trying to be so stupid... but hey, it obviously trips your trigger.
LCN Llin

United States

#649 Jul 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiots who deny the evolution need psychological help.
You post a bit about "psychological help".
Are you near the end of treatment?
Neat the you have concern for others
Have a Nice Day

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