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'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

There are 7527 comments on the NewsOK.com story from Jul 5, 2013, titled 'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma. In it, NewsOK.com reports that:

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antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#5046 Jan 17, 2014
it never fails that virtually every gay person will end up calling someone else gay just in hopes of bringing them down to their level.

Again, show me where there is conclusive scientific evidence that supports the notion that you are born gay. You want scientific proof of God so why don't you hold your own beliefs to that same standard. I'll be waiting....

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#5047 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
it never fails that virtually every gay person will end up calling someone else gay just in hopes of bringing them down to their level.

Again, show me where there is conclusive scientific evidence that supports the notion that you are born gay. You want scientific proof of God so why don't you hold your own beliefs to that same standard. I'll be waiting....
I don't want scientific proof for god...so since I don't ask for that, does that mean that you shouldn't ask for scientific evidence from me. Scientific proof for god doesn't exist, and scientific proof of sexuality doesn't exist either. Y
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#5048 Jan 17, 2014
I can't believe the double standard by atheists. They claim God doesn't exist because there is no proof. However, you claim not to need proof of one being born with an out of the norm sexual preference. So you need proof for God but not in other things that you are in favor of. Amazing rationale

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#5049 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
I can't believe the double standard by atheists. They claim God doesn't exist because there is no proof. However, you claim not to need proof of one being born with an out of the norm sexual preference. So you need proof for God but not in other things that you are in favor of. Amazing rationale
Didn't you just read me say that I'm not asking for proof from you? Not to mention, even if I were, I might point out that you are asking for proof from people who are alive and walking around. People who you can physically look at and speak to. You are asking people to "believe" in something that is neither visible, nor audible.

Either way.... How did you come to the conclusion that being gay is just a choice?
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#5050 Jan 17, 2014
why would you come to the conclusion that its natural? Its highly unnatural for obvious reasons.

Have you ever noticed how the vast majority of atheists are also homosexual supporters? I have yet to meet one that isn't in favor of homosexuality.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#5051 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
why would you come to the conclusion that its natural? Its highly unnatural for obvious reasons.
Have you ever noticed how the vast majority of atheists are also homosexual supporters? I have yet to meet one that isn't in favor of homosexuality.
I came to the conclusion that it was natural because, like I said, when I was younger I found myself attracted to females before I even knew what a lesbian was or what bisexual was. I had no idea that there was a choice other than straight, I just knew I had an attraction to girls.
Also, as you know, there are many people who state that they have always felt that way, along with the fact that I, as a 6 year old, had a male friend who was so feminine when he was that age, and turned out to be gay as an adult. He had girlfriends growing up, trying to stay "what society would call" normal, to save face, but finally admitted to himself how he really felt and had always felt.

How did you come to the conclusion that it was just a choice?
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#5052 Jan 17, 2014
Why do I think its a choice? Its really a sad thing that this question is even being asked today. Its a world gone mad. If men were meant to be with men then they wouldn't be born with the same parts. Homosexuals have increased diseases and a shorter life span than heterosexuals. If it was so natural and good then these things wouldn't be so high.

It honestly doesn't even matter if a person thinks they are born that way or not. There are people that feel like they have a desire to have sex with under aged children. There are even groups devoted to it. The act itself is wrong regardless if a person feels its natural for them to do it.
ChilliGal

Chillicothe, OH

#5053 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
Why do I think its a choice? Its really a sad thing that this question is even being asked today. Its a world gone mad. If men were meant to be with men then they wouldn't be born with the same parts. Homosexuals have increased diseases and a shorter life span than heterosexuals. If it was so natural and good then these things wouldn't be so high.
It honestly doesn't even matter if a person thinks they are born that way or not. There are people that feel like they have a desire to have sex with under aged children. There are even groups devoted to it. The act itself is wrong regardless if a person feels its natural for them to do it.
Alot of gay people live to be in their late 70's and 80's in our state so they do not pass away any quicker now days than "your TYPE" does. People who have sex with under aged children are NOT GAY, they are pedaphiles so use your dictionary, it is two different things. And only bible thumpers like you who believes that god appeared out of no where and started creating the earth and people by waking a magic wand are the only ones to believe your non sense. YOU never did answer me where GOD came from, WHO made God so he could do all this creating. Can't you answer that---isn't it in the bible who made God?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#5054 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
Why do I think its a choice? Its really a sad thing that this question is even being asked today. Its a world gone mad. If men were meant to be with men then they wouldn't be born with the same parts. Homosexuals have increased diseases and a shorter life span than heterosexuals. If it was so natural and good then these things wouldn't be so high.
It honestly doesn't even matter if a person thinks they are born that way or not. There are people that feel like they have a desire to have sex with under aged children. There are even groups devoted to it. The act itself is wrong regardless if a person feels its natural for them to do it.
The problem that I have with your reasoning for it not being natural, is that my mother along with many many people who are straight die from cancer and many other diseases up to and including HIV. If what you say is true then nothing that anyone does is "natural" and the diseases they contract are punishments for their unnatural lifestyles. Everyone is susceptible to disease, and if you have a disease it does not mean that your lifestyle is unnatural.

Comparing someone who is gay or lesbian to someone who is a pedophile is a very bad comparison. Those are two different things entirely. I can understand that you think that it may be "wrong", but what you think is "wrong" is just your opinion. There are no laws stating who a person can and can't fall in love with. Why do you think you have a right to stipulate who someone else should and shouldn't fall in love with?
Amused

Lowell, MA

#5055 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
Why do I think its a choice? Its really a sad thing that this question is even being asked today. Its a world gone mad. If men were meant to be with men then they wouldn't be born with the same parts. Homosexuals have increased diseases and a shorter life span than heterosexuals. If it was so natural and good then these things wouldn't be so high.
It honestly doesn't even matter if a person thinks they are born that way or not. There are people that feel like they have a desire to have sex with under aged children. There are even groups devoted to it. The act itself is wrong regardless if a person feels its natural for them to do it.
So, what you are saying is that people are not hard wired in their sexual preference, and any guy could just wake up in the morning and say to himself, "Hey,there's nothing to do. I'm bored. Why don't I just call around and see if any of the guys on the bowling team wants to take it in the old 'exit only' hole." You seriously think that's something that happens often? You have to worry that any given night you might come home from work and walk in on your wife and her friends in the throes of a lesbian orgy? News flash : that only happens in your porno flicks, and if it happened in real life, they won't let you watch, much less participate,

Since: Aug 13

Dallas, TX

#5056 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
surprise surprise angel is a lesbian. Isn't it ironic that you cry about evidence all the time yet you have no scientific evidence that people are born gay? What a double standard
Wow, your ignorance is powerful. As usual you haven't a clue, and im not interested in your nonsense.
Agnostic

Oklahoma City, OK

#5057 Jan 17, 2014
All you have to do is look at the animal kingdom as it concerns homosexuality to determine that homosexuality is something you are born with:

Homosexual behavior in animals is sexual behavior among non-human species that may be interpreted as homosexual or bisexual. This may include sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairs. Research indicates that various forms of this are found throughout the animal kingdom.[1][2] As of 1999, nearly 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, have been observed engaging in same-sex behaviors; this is well documented in about 500 species.[3][4]

So if you think that the animal kingdoms sexual behavior is learned...well.....I would like to see some evidence of that and who do you think is teaching them.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#5058 Jan 17, 2014
oh boy I KNEW the whole animal kingdom gay thing would come up. Is this all you guys can ever come up with? Comparing us to animals that eat their own feces and hump anything that moves? Pathetic.

iseeyou, if you don't believe me then research it for yourself. Gays have a shortened lifespan and they have a much higher rate of sexual diseases including AIDS. Its a fact not an opinion.

Again, being born gay or choosing to be gay is irrelevant. Its a behavior that should not be encouraged because of all the reasons I've mentioned. Its a drag on society

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#5059 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
oh boy I KNEW the whole animal kingdom gay thing would come up. Is this all you guys can ever come up with? Comparing us to animals that eat their own feces and hump anything that moves? Pathetic.
iseeyou, if you don't believe me then research it for yourself. Gays have a shortened lifespan and they have a much higher rate of sexual diseases including AIDS. Its a fact not an opinion.
Again, being born gay or choosing to be gay is irrelevant. Its a behavior that should not be encouraged because of all the reasons I've mentioned. Its a drag on society
I never said I didn't believe you. There are diseases that are more prevalent in the gay community, but that does not mean that the gay lifestyle is unnatural. It means that it is unfortunate for the gay community that certain diseases are more prevalent. There lifespan is also considered to be shorter because of high suicide rates and depression due to the horrible things that are said about them and to them for no good reason.

There are many good people who are gay. It is not an unnatural thing, simply because the bible states that homosexuality is bad. Your opinion that it's unnatural is not fact, it's just your opinion, not fact. Being born gay or making a choice to be gay is very relevant. The statement that it's a choice to be gay is no more scientifically backed than the statement that people are born gay is. However, the amount of people you will meet who are gay, that will tell you that they have felt this way since being a child are very very plentiful versus the amount of people who say they just woke up one day and chose to be gay. That should tell you something, but it looks as though you are calling all of those people liars just because you don't agree with their lifestyle choice.

I would never tell you that I didn't think you were a christian just because I don't agree with you. If you say you are, then I have no choice, but to take you at your word. It is a very important part of a persons identity. It would be the same as me telling you that wearing clothes is unnatural.

You will never be having sex with a gay person. You will never be falling in love with a gay person. Treating a person as though they are a diseased, unnatural being is not loving thy neighbor....as you would be most apt to put it. You don't want people to bash you for your lifestyle just because there are a few in the christian bunch who have lost their marbles....and you shouldn't bash a person for being gay just because some people are not responsible enough to have safe sex. That is not encouraging someone to be gay, that is accepting a person for who they are whether we agree with their decisions or not. Which is exactly what you would want for yourself. I don't think that it's fair to treat people that way.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#5060 Jan 17, 2014
antiatheist wrote:
it never fails that virtually every gay person will end up calling someone else gay just in hopes of bringing them down to their level.
You mean like xtians will often say that Atheism is a religion in hopes of bringing them down to their level?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#5061 Jan 17, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>You mean like xtians will often say that Atheism is a religion in hopes of bringing them down to their level?
Sounds about right lol
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#5062 Jan 18, 2014
You should get on with other things in the meantime. You seem to spend all your life waiting, which is very unproductive.
antiatheist wrote:
I'm still waiting for this scientific evidence that you are born gay

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#5063 Jan 18, 2014
Thinking wrote:
You should get on with other things in the meantime. You seem to spend all your life waiting, which is very unproductive.
<quoted text>
Waiting is what they do.

They've already been waiting for nearly two thousand years for the return of their Jesus guy.

The bible says he's coming soon but in this case "soon" has some special xtian meaning which you won't find in any dictionary.

Dumb xtians. All they have to do is look at what was on the cross above Jesus, head:

INRI

I'm Not Returning Imminently
WarForOil

Rowlett, TX

#5064 Jan 18, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>

The bible says he's coming soon but in this case "soon" has some
special xtian meaning which you won't find in any dictionary.
It's the same meaning of soon as this.
Soon you'll become smarter. Thousands and thousands of years.
You must hear soon often.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#5065 Jan 18, 2014
Well see there iseeyou I never mentioned the bible or Christianity. I said homosexuality was unnatural for obvious reasons. Nature did not intend for men to have sex with other men. Part of the human life cycle is to reproduce and gays obviously can't so they have to resort to adopting kids and bringing them up in this lifestyle which is extremely sad. Diseases are higher and the lifestyle is shorter because engaging in gay sex is unhealthy. Its not because of ridicule and causing them to be depressed. All these horrible things and people actually want to promote it because the truth is never told in the media.

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