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'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

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Since: Jun 13

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#506 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
and one more question....why do atheists spend so much time talking about something they say they don't believe in? Why bother? And please don't give me the standard atheist response of how you are trying to save children and others from being oppressed because we all know how self centered most of you are. Seriously, why do you even worry about it so much? Its just weird.
I'll answer this stupid question again.... the reason its stupid is because you are on an atheist forum, and you are bringing up "god", requesting debate, and then you ask us why we talk about "god" lol. The reason we talk about "god" is because "god" is brought up. We respond. Then we tell you why we don't believe in "god", just like you tell us why you believe in "god". There is no worry about "god", there is no questions for "god"...merely responses to christians who come onto an atheist forum, and talk about "god". Why don't you go worry about, and discuss "god" on a christian forum??? That's what's weird. lol

Since: Jun 13

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#507 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
what I don't understand is that you admit you don't know........yet you rule out the possibility of God. This contradicts itself. If you don't know then you can't say something might not be correct. Science has made many assumptions in the past that have turned out to be wrong once more information or experience was gathered. Yet somehow you think scienctists can't be wrong about God? Thats why atheism is dumb....its nothing more than a belief system that has little to do with science. Again, the vast majority of people believe in God. Doctors, scientists, etc. believe in God. Yet somehow you think all these intelligent people are delusional? For example, the famous physician Dr. Ben Carson is a strong Christian. You honestly think this brilliant man is dumb because he believes in God? You are in the vast minority which ought to tell you something.
What I failed to be clear about here is that you don't know either...you simply claim that "god" did it. Since you don't know then you can't say that the big bang is incorrect. Maybe it is...Maybe it isn't. Can you actually say with a 100% certainty that your bible was not simply written by man and falsely interpreted throughout the years? Can you say with a 100% certainty that the "god" that you whisper to in your prayers listens to you and your religion alone? If your answer to that is yes, then you my friend will be called a hypocrite faster than you can blink.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#508 Jul 28, 2013
of course the bible was written by man. You think Christians don't think men wrote the bible? Its the best selling book in history and the true word of your God and my God. It even speaks about people like yourself.

You still think people that believe in God are delusional? Of course you must realize you are talking about millions upon millions of people. All the presidents along with many other important and intelligent people. You honestly think billions of people throughout history were actually all crazy and delusional? See how arrogant that sounds? Its also pretty crazy.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#509 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
lol bob......is your only defense to name call like a 5 yr old? How pathetic. You are actually a great rep for atheists.
I see you STILL have refused to answer ANY questions put to you.

Yes-- you are still behaving like a moron.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#510 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
oh I went to the website. Surely you don't expect me to go through all those pages written by atheist scientists.
Actually? Yes we **did**... you asked a VERY complex question.

Then answers will be equally complex.

But I see you are **too****lazy**.

Typical of a moron Genuine Christhole¬ô

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#511 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
There are also scientists who are Christians not to mention more than 3/4 of the world believes in God. Every president we have had believed in God. You honestly think all those people are delusional?????
So what?

Not that long ago? Everyone just **knew** the world was **flat**.

Did all that belief **make** the world flat?

Nope.

They were all **delusional**.

Just as **you** are **now**.

Moron.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#512 Jul 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
So what?
Not that long ago? Everyone just **knew** the world was **flat**.
Did all that belief **make** the world flat?
Nope.
They were all **delusional**.
Just as **you** are **now**.
Moron.
Ah but 'delusional' is not the right word for both beliefs. Those who thought the Earth flat were understandably mistaken, not delusional.

People believed the Earth was flat for entirely rational reasons - it appeared to be to human senses and they lacked scientific examination of the question. It was a rational belief.

Behaviour like this in the 21st century...
https://www.google.co.uk/search...
is as delusional as belief in an Abrahamic god. That belief isn't rational, as many honest believers acknowledge. It is based on having religious faith - an essentially irrational belief.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#513 Jul 28, 2013
More EdSed pedantry :-)....
Just as religious beliefs differ from rational beliefs, religious faith differs from faith based on reason and evidence, such as having faith that a bridge won't collapse while one crosses it.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#514 Jul 28, 2013
Ed ... again.....we don't have all the facts. Science doesn't have all the information so you can't possibly say there isn't a God. How many times has science been completely wrong in the past? Too many to count. They have been wrong because they made assumptions without having all the information. To most people, the earth itself is enough to recognize there is a maker. The complexity of life could not happen by chance. Why can you not see this?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#515 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
Ed ... again.....we don't have all the facts. Science doesn't have all the information so you can't possibly say there isn't a God. How many times has science been completely wrong in the past? Too many to count. They have been wrong because they made assumptions without having all the information. To most people, the earth itself is enough to recognize there is a maker. The complexity of life could not happen by chance. Why can you not see this?
Thanks for the replies Antiatheist, but to be honest I think you're crazy as a loon.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#516 Jul 28, 2013
come on ed ... you get confronted with your garbage and you resort to an immature personal attack. I can tell you aren't used to being challenged. Hopefully it will make you think a little bit instead of simply trashing Christians with your little atheist gang.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#517 Jul 28, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Ah but 'delusional' is not the right word for both beliefs. Those who thought the Earth flat were understandably mistaken, not delusional.
People believed the Earth was flat for entirely rational reasons - it appeared to be to human senses and they lacked scientific examination of the question. It was a rational belief.
Behaviour like this in the 21st century...
https://www.google.co.uk/search...
is as delusional as belief in an Abrahamic god. That belief isn't rational, as many honest believers acknowledge. It is based on having religious faith - an essentially irrational belief.
Yes, well "delusional" has a much higher negative emotional index.

And it is correct, strictly speaking: they had been deluded by what they thought they were seeing.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#518 Jul 28, 2013
EdSed wrote:
More EdSed pedantry :-)....
Just as religious beliefs differ from rational beliefs, religious faith differs from faith based on reason and evidence, such as having faith that a bridge won't collapse while one crosses it.
\

Very correct: I have faith in chairs, for example-- one that I test quite a bit, when I sit down without checking if it will hold me up, first.

:)

But that faith is based on lots and lots of empirical chair-sitting, so it's easily justifiable.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#519 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
Ed ... again.....we don't have all the facts.
So?

Substituting a lack-of-fact with an overly simple wishful non-thought (god)...

... how is that better?

What, exactly, does invoking an unprovable god "explain"?

Hmmm?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#520 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
Ed ... again.....we don't have all the facts. Science doesn't have all the information so you can't possibly say there isn't a God.
Because, so far, there is a 100% LACK of GODLY activity.

Anywhere in the visible universe.

That's sufficient for now.
antiatheist wrote:
How many times has science been completely wrong in the past? Too many to count.
So? The **beauty** of science?

IT CORRECTS ITS MISTAKES.

In direct contrast to RELIGION, which CLINGS TO THEM.

To date? NO RELIGION--EVER--HAS CORRECTED A SCIENTIFIC MISTAKE.

Ever.
antiatheist wrote:
They have been wrong because they made assumptions without having all the information.
So? See above.
antiatheist wrote:
To most people, the earth itself is enough to recognize there is a maker. The complexity of life could not happen by chance. Why can you not see this?
Argument from popularity is not an argument.

In the past?

EVERYONE JUST KNEW THE WORLD WAS FLAT.

It never was....

... in fact.

But.

RELIGION SAID IT WAS ANYHOW.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#521 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
I can tell you aren't used to being challenged.
I just challenged YOU.

I will bet that your "response" will consist of personal attacks, and not a single argument in support of your claim.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#522 Jul 28, 2013
bob please quit clouding up the board with your rambling nonsense. Nobody reads it anymore.

Since: Jun 13

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#523 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
of course the bible was written by man. You think Christians don't think men wrote the bible? Its the best selling book in history and the true word of your God and my God. It even speaks about people like yourself.
You still think people that believe in God are delusional? Of course you must realize you are talking about millions upon millions of people. All the presidents along with many other important and intelligent people. You honestly think billions of people throughout history were actually all crazy and delusional? See how arrogant that sounds? Its also pretty crazy.
lol...that was a very good attempt at stirring emotion ;) However...I never said they were crazy...I simply said delusional, and yes I do think they are delusional, and yes I'm well aware of how many people are christians, and how many people are muslim, and Jewish, and Jehovah witness......I could go on, but if you aren't getting the point then I don't think it will help to continue. I also know that christians know that the bible was written by man, but they are under the impression that the words written were inspired by a "god" who specifically chose these certain men to write these stories...(I personally think that is crazy). There are many men, who have been bad people, who have claimed that they were spoken to by "god". That should be enough for you to get what I'm saying.

And please answer the questions I asked in the previous post.

Can you actually say with a 100% certainty that your bible was not simply written by man and that it hasn't been falsely interpreted throughout the years? Can you say with a 100% certainty that the "god" that you whisper to in your prayers listens to you and your religion alone?
Thinking

Royston, UK

#524 Jul 28, 2013
Maybe you can get a grown up to help you read bob's posts.
antiatheist wrote:
bob please quit clouding up the board with your rambling nonsense. Nobody reads it anymore.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#525 Jul 28, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Ah but 'delusional' is not the right word for both beliefs. Those who thought the Earth flat were understandably mistaken, not delusional.
People believed the Earth was flat for entirely rational reasons - it appeared to be to human senses and they lacked scientific examination of the question. It was a rational belief.
Behaviour like this in the 21st century...
https://www.google.co.uk/search...
is as delusional as belief in an Abrahamic god. That belief isn't rational, as many honest believers acknowledge. It is based on having religious faith - an essentially irrational belief.
There are still people who "know" the earth is flat. How about we call them, what they are "religitards"?
Their god's book told them it is flat and since the book and the god could not have gotten it wrong, the earth is just plain F-L-A-T!
It is a surprise to see that you see a belief in Allah/Jehovah/Yahweh as delusional

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