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'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

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#486 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
oh I went to the website. Surely you don't expect me to go through all those pages written by atheist scientists. There are also scientists who are Christians not to mention more than 3/4 of the world believes in God. Every president we have had believed in God. You honestly think all those people are delusional????? Surely there has to come a point where you look in the mirror and say you must be insane. Have you had that moment yet? Obviously not.
LOL...The only reason every president has claimed to be christian is because that's what get's your vote darlin lol... Do you know how many people said "what a good christian man" Mitt Romney is... The man is mormon. The only thing those people heard was him talk about "God" and then their ears just shut off to everything else the man said lol...and to answer your question...yes, they are delusional.

Richardfs

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Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#487 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
oh I went to the website. Surely you don't expect me to go through all those pages written by atheist scientists. There are also scientists who are Christians not to mention more than 3/4 of the world believes in God. Every president we have had believed in God. You honestly think all those people are delusional????? Surely there has to come a point where you look in the mirror and say you must be insane. Have you had that moment yet? Obviously not.
1. How do you know which of those scientist/authors are atheists? You don't because the only way you could is by down loading the pdfs and finding out who the authors were in the first place. You could not have done in the time between my post and your response.

2. Did I say all scientists are atheists? No.

3. Don't care about the religion of your presidents and it is irrelevant.

4. There was a time when everybody thought the world was flat.

So at the end of the day your post contains two out right lies and two irrelevances.

Therefore the translation of your post is:-

"I am too lazy and stupid to do any study."
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#488 Jul 27, 2013
hmmm so all of our presidents have been liars? wow. Are the vast majority of the people in the world also liars?

You also haven't answered my questions at all....darlin. Its okay though because we both know you aren't able. You won't be able to explain the origins of the universe because science doesn't know. Science doesn't know a lot of things and has become extremely biased based on who is doing the "science". Take you for example, would you really interpret an experiment in a way that is favorable to there being a God? Of course you wouldn't.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#489 Jul 27, 2013
ha...richard. I KNEW you would mention the old "flat earth" argument that practically every atheist loves to use. Are you guys that uncreative? Its laughable.

You don't care what all of our presidents thought? lol again pretty darn funny. I put a little more importance on what they think than what I think of you. Again, shows your arrogance...pretty typical.

How do I know they are atheists? Okay........why don't you choose one of those "scientists" that is a Christian and I'll go check it out. It should be pretty easy since you obviously have read each and every one.

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#490 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
hmmm so all of our presidents have been liars? wow. Are the vast majority of the people in the world also liars?
You also haven't answered my questions at all....darlin. Its okay though because we both know you aren't able. You won't be able to explain the origins of the universe because science doesn't know. Science doesn't know a lot of things and has become extremely biased based on who is doing the "science". Take you for example, would you really interpret an experiment in a way that is favorable to there being a God? Of course you wouldn't.
It's egotistical for you to presume that I am the type of person that would attempt to swing things in my favor. We all live, and then we die, and whether you like it or not, neither of us know what will happen when we go. You think to heaven and I do not. I really see no reason to debate the origins of the universe. It's massive, and amazing, but in no way do I take the bible or the belief of a "god" as the end all be all answer. Not only because it is very far fetched, but because I see no need for it....and yes I don't believe that there is a person on the face of the planet that has not told a lie. Since you are referring to my above statement I will elaborate and even say that I don't think there is, or will be a truthful politician lol

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#491 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
hmmm so all of our presidents have been liars? wow. Are the vast majority of the people in the world also liars?
You also haven't answered my questions at all....darlin. Its okay though because we both know you aren't able. You won't be able to explain the origins of the universe because science doesn't know. Science doesn't know a lot of things and has become extremely biased based on who is doing the "science". Take you for example, would you really interpret an experiment in a way that is favorable to there being a God? Of course you wouldn't.
1. I am not from the US.
2. I never said "all of our (yours not mine) presidents have been liars.
3. I did answer ridiculous questions (which only indicate your ignorance) but you are lazy to read.
4. Find a real repeatable experiment, oh that's right you can't.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#492 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
ha...richard. I KNEW you would mention the old "flat earth" argument that practically every atheist loves to use. Are you guys that uncreative? Its laughable.
You don't care what all of our presidents thought? lol again pretty darn funny. I put a little more importance on what they think than what I think of you. Again, shows your arrogance...pretty typical.
How do I know they are atheists? Okay........why don't you choose one of those "scientists" that is a Christian and I'll go check it out. It should be pretty easy since you obviously have read each and every one.
1. Flat Earth argument is correct so why shouldn't we use it, oh that's right you have no answer to it.

2. That's right I don't care what YOUR presidents thought at least on the subject of religion.

3. Do your own research.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#493 Jul 27, 2013
1. flat earth "argument" makes no sense. It was thousands of years ago. You want me to mention the piltdown man that all of your scientists thought was true? Didn't think so

2. My presidents just happen to be a LITTLE smarter than you ever thought about being. You are a nobody on a msg board.

i see you.........and you don't think its far fetched to believe that the universe and all inside of it happened by pure accident? The planets align, babies are born, the body heals itself, etc. all by pure accident???? THAT is far fetched.....in fact there is no way it could have happened by pure chance. The odds are too great against it.

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#494 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
1. flat earth "argument" makes no sense. It was thousands of years ago. You want me to mention the piltdown man that all of your scientists thought was true? Didn't think so
2. My presidents just happen to be a LITTLE smarter than you ever thought about being. You are a nobody on a msg board.
i see you.........and you don't think its far fetched to believe that the universe and all inside of it happened by pure accident? The planets align, babies are born, the body heals itself, etc. all by pure accident???? THAT is far fetched.....in fact there is no way it could have happened by pure chance. The odds are too great against it.
That doesn't really make a lot of sense so I don't really know how to respond to it. All I can tell you is that it seems strange to me that you believe that the universe was created for a purpose. As vast as the universe is, I do believe that there are more plausible ideas.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#495 Jul 27, 2013
lol doesn't make sense? I'm sure you want to pretend it doesn't so you don't have to formulate a response. Typical atheist tactic.

oh really? Okay I'm all ears......let me hear some of your plausible ideas. Seriously I'm curious.

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#496 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
lol doesn't make sense? I'm sure you want to pretend it doesn't so you don't have to formulate a response. Typical atheist tactic.
oh really? Okay I'm all ears......let me hear some of your plausible ideas. Seriously I'm curious.
What doesn't make sense is that you would assume an
omnipotent being created, everything you see and
wrote a book, not himself, in say mathematics. A language
that existed at the time the bible was written and
was decently well understood, wherein he explained
certain mysteries about the world and universe we
have since figured out via mathematics. Instead he
wrote it in a language he knew would die out and
have to be guessed on, which in turn created such
confusion that the entire religion fractured many
times over, creating horrible atrocities among
its varying followers who all claimed to have gotten
it correct.

Instead, you want me to believe that out of all
the supposed holy books in the world, yours got
it right, even though its full of murder, patricide,
genocide, rape, incest and on and on.....and this was the "purpose" for the universe?????

Science on the other hand uses mathematics to observe and attempt to explain what they see. When they offer an answer it is
never 100% certain that its correct. You would like it
if I told you, somehow, I had managed to find the 100%
correct answer to your question but the truth is,
the only honest answer is: We do not know for sure.

While science is saying, "Hey we think this is right
because of all these tests and all of the evidence
we have observed", religion is saying, "Hey we got it
right because...well our book says so" and our ego
demands certainty. The claims of religions have
been tested again and again, and have been found to be completely lacking in the veracity of their claims.

Science does not know 100% for certain the universe
originated from the big bang, but what they do know
is the math says if it did there would be a background
radiation source that was measurable, this was predicted
in the past by physicists, and turns out when technology
became available to test this hypothesis, we did indeed
find that radiation.

Religion has been beating the same drum for a couple
of thousand years, never moving forward our understanding
of the universe because their answer is always, "god" did it.
Well that answer is useless because it teaches humanity
nothing. It does not advance society. It reeks of ineptitude.
Saying I don't know is the basis of all discovery and
refusing to admit that something can be wrong is a
very dangerous road to go down.

Religion claims it has all the answers. If the only question
in life is "Do you believe a "god" exists?", then sure religion
gets it right every time. If the question is, "How does
life work, how to stars work, how do galaxies, photons,
gases, and solar systems work?", well I wouldn't be asking religion
as their only answer is "God did it." That doesn't explain
anything. It encourages ignorance (lack of knowledge), and
tells you that they aren't even going to try.

I can't give you a definitive answer or even "many" plausible ideas, but I also don't hold the idea that the universe has some "purpose" to uphold....I especially don't believe that (as I stated before) with the vastness of the universe, a "god" plopped all of us humans and other creatures on this tiny little planet, and said "worship me, and I will take you to a heaven in the sky when you die."

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#497 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
lol doesn't make sense? I'm sure you want to pretend it doesn't so you don't have to formulate a response. Typical atheist tactic.
oh really? Okay I'm all ears......let me hear some of your plausible ideas. Seriously I'm curious.
Now, there's your response. I bet I can already predict what your response will be :D
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#498 Jul 27, 2013
what I don't understand is that you admit you don't know........yet you rule out the possibility of God. This contradicts itself. If you don't know then you can't say something might not be correct. Science has made many assumptions in the past that have turned out to be wrong once more information or experience was gathered. Yet somehow you think scienctists can't be wrong about God? Thats why atheism is dumb....its nothing more than a belief system that has little to do with science. Again, the vast majority of people believe in God. Doctors, scientists, etc. believe in God. Yet somehow you think all these intelligent people are delusional? For example, the famous physician Dr. Ben Carson is a strong Christian. You honestly think this brilliant man is dumb because he believes in God? You are in the vast minority which ought to tell you something.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#499 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
still waiting mikko.....apparently you aren't able to answer it either. I'll pose the question for you again. How did life arise from absolutely nothing? There was no air, molecules, nothing. Something HAD to have been created in the beginning so how did that happen? This time try and give an answer to defend YOUR position rather than name calling.
You do not know that there was ever nothing. We cannot know, what there was or wasn't in existence, millions of years ago.
Everything is speculation, and even though some of that is actually based on psychical evidence it is still speculation. Unless we were there is it is all forever guess work(educated and informed guess work).

So how come you believe the self-serving tales from a group of primitive Asian sand dwellers, over the billions of bits of (world wide)collected data and truly compelling evidence that proves evolution?

If there be gods, then the god of Abraham is a Johnny-come-lately, and has fashioned himself from the bits and pieces of the many, many other gods that were conceived before he was.

Prove your very limited, misogynistic, archaic and impotent god.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#500 Jul 27, 2013
you can't come up with ONE plausible idea????? Don't you have the guts to say this all just happened by random chance?? Thats what you believe right? Maybe its because you know how dumb that really sounds. Surely you aren't going to tell me that there are aliens out there I hope. I asked you for one plausible idea of how the universe began and you can't even come up with any. All you can do is shift the burden to believers in God. Thats a cop out. Wheres your proof? You have nothing I assume.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#501 Jul 27, 2013
and one more question....why do atheists spend so much time talking about something they say they don't believe in? Why bother? And please don't give me the standard atheist response of how you are trying to save children and others from being oppressed because we all know how self centered most of you are. Seriously, why do you even worry about it so much? Its just weird.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#502 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
ha.........how typical. None of you atheists can put anything into a clear sentence. You only refer people to websites that you haven't even read yourself. Are you not capable of answering a simple question richard? I have given you multiple opportunities and yet you still can't seem to do it. How did life arise from nothingness? Its not possible without intelligence behind it. You honestly think something came from nothing? You really think we evolved all these years into what we have today? You think all the planets just happened to fall into place and that the earth just happened to be the exact distance from the sun that would allow life? You really think all this just happened? Those odds must make the lottery seem like a sure deal.
Intelligence? Are you sure? Tell me how the (exact opposite of intelligence) the god of Abraham , could have used what he clearly never had, to create anything. Read his life story, "the bible" ... he knew less about humans than does, the average 5 year old now.

We have what the primitives did not have = Reality based education.
Consider the biblical cure for leprosy.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#503 Jul 27, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
ha...richard. I KNEW you would mention the old "flat earth" argument that practically every atheist loves to use. Are you guys that uncreative? Its laughable.
You don't care what all of our presidents thought? lol again pretty darn funny. I put a little more importance on what they think than what I think of you. Again, shows your arrogance...pretty typical.
How do I know they are atheists? Okay........why don't you choose one of those "scientists" that is a Christian and I'll go check it out. It should be pretty easy since you obviously have read each and every one.
Well damn! That old flat earth argument is the bible, and the bible is your source for a god. Other holy books equal other gods.
Actually the only thing that mattered was what the voter thought, not the president.

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#504 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
what I don't understand is that you admit you don't know........yet you rule out the possibility of God. This contradicts itself. If you don't know then you can't say something might not be correct. Science has made many assumptions in the past that have turned out to be wrong once more information or experience was gathered. Yet somehow you think scienctists can't be wrong about God? Thats why atheism is dumb....its nothing more than a belief system that has little to do with science. Again, the vast majority of people believe in God. Doctors, scientists, etc. believe in God. Yet somehow you think all these intelligent people are delusional? For example, the famous physician Dr. Ben Carson is a strong Christian. You honestly think this brilliant man is dumb because he believes in God? You are in the vast minority which ought to tell you something.
Since I don't know, I think I have every right to say that I think something may be incorrect. I never said that scientists were wrong about "god"... In fact I don't think that has even entered the conversation. What I said was that I don't believe that "god" exists. I've given you the reasons why. I've told you that it's obvious that no one really knows the answer, now you are the one who is telling me that you have the 100% correct answer. I find it to be arrogant. This is not an argument...it's basically not even something that's up for debate. The bible is the only reason you can give, and The big bang is the only plausible reason that I can give. I also never stated that I thought christians were dumb, or Ben Carson (whoever he may be)...I think that christians are delusional, yes. You may not like that, but that's what I think. As I stated before...with the thousands upon thousands of religions that have come and gone, you still think that you are the ones that have it right. There are millions of people that would disagree with you, even if they aren't atheist. NO ONE knows. I feel that if there were a "god" of creation he/she would leave no questions unanswered and there would be no riddle book.

And you are absolutely correct...Atheism is not science. It is simply not believing in a Deity. The fact that I am in a vast minority should tell you something. Just because someone else believes something that doesn't make any sense, doesn't mean that I have to or should.

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#505 Jul 28, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you can't come up with ONE plausible idea????? Don't you have the guts to say this all just happened by random chance?? Thats what you believe right? Maybe its because you know how dumb that really sounds. Surely you aren't going to tell me that there are aliens out there I hope. I asked you for one plausible idea of how the universe began and you can't even come up with any. All you can do is shift the burden to believers in God. Thats a cop out. Wheres your proof? You have nothing I assume.
Patience please. I had to travel home. I don't know how many times I am going to have to repeat myself, but I'll continue to do it until you understand I guess... I don't believe that the universe was created by a "god" so yes I assume that means that the universe just happened lol. I'm getting frustrated because I really don't see how it matters. Science has given you the big bang theory for years as a plausible answer and you continue to completely bash it, and ignore what it actually states.

I haven't asked you for proof of anything, and I don't plan on doing so. I know the only proof you have is the bible...and you know that only proof I have is the science and math that has been done in the research of the big bang theory. However I still think that the big bang theory holds much more merit than "god" waving an all powerful hand and poofing everything into existence. Not to mention all of the other things that go along with the religion aside from just the creation aspect.

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