'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

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antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#417 Jul 23, 2013
actually terry I'm trying to get an answer from any atheist. You have given me a vary vague "answer" that really doesn't answer my question. You say chemical reaction but who created the chemicals? In the beginning something had to have been created and nobody on here seems to be able to admit or answer it. Its funny scientists can't cure multiple diseases like cancer.......yet they seem to want to tell us they know there is no God and that they know how the universe began? You guys have an enormous amount of faith
Amused

Lowell, MA

#418 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
terry you can also answer if you are able. How did the universe begin? How did the first sign of life happen? How did life form from nothing?
We don't know yet. Science does not yet have enough information to form reasonable theories based on evidence to answer any of those questions. Maybe someday it will. Then again, we may never know. We probably will not know during my lifetime. None of those facts is a license to just make stuff up about an invisible man poofing things into existence.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken. The origin of the universe and the origin of life are complex questions for which "god did it" is an answer that proves Mencken right.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#419 Jul 23, 2013
you are right........science doesn't have all the info. So how can they possibly say there is no God if they don't have all the info? Being an atheist makes no sense. If you were really honest you would have to admit that their might be a God.
Thinking

York, UK

#420 Jul 23, 2013
So if you don't know every answer, you instantly give up and think some old beardy bloke in a bathrobe and sandals living in the clouds did it!

You're very sad.
antiatheist wrote:
actually terry I'm trying to get an answer from any atheist. You have given me a vary vague "answer" that really doesn't answer my question. You say chemical reaction but who created the chemicals? In the beginning something had to have been created and nobody on here seems to be able to admit or answer it. Its funny scientists can't cure multiple diseases like cancer.......yet they seem to want to tell us they know there is no God and that they know how the universe began? You guys have an enormous amount of faith
Thinking

York, UK

#421 Jul 23, 2013
At my school we had that quotation on a poster depicting a tall house with an open window on its top floor - implying that someone had jumped to their death.
Amused wrote:
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"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#422 Jul 23, 2013
you don't know the answer so you automatically think we popped out of thin air and somehow over billions of years developed into what we are today? You think the complexity of the universe just happened by random chance? You know the odds against that? It couldn't happen. You guys brag about science and evidence yet you don't even how any. Amazing
Amused

Lowell, MA

#423 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you are right........science doesn't have all the info. So how can they possibly say there is no God if they don't have all the info? Being an atheist makes no sense. If you were really honest you would have to admit that their might be a God.
It is a possibility. But, one with about the same level of probability as Russell's teapot. Based on the available evidence, god is highly unlikely. The universe is highly complex. Just as watchmakers are more complex than watches, and cobblers more complex than shoes, we can posit that if there were a creator of the universe, he/she/it would have to be even more complex than the creation, i.e. the universe. To say that such a complex being simply popped into existence is like saying that a Ferrari simply assembled itself out of nothing, which is an absurd statement. The only process by which we have seen complex organisms produced is evolution. But, to say that your god is the end product of a process of evolution is to say that your god was itself created and has a very long ancestry. All of which is contrary to your definition or concept of 'god'.

The origin of the universe is a mystery. The answer isn't likely to be a mythical being.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#424 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you are right........science doesn't have all the info. So how can they possibly say there is no God if they don't have all the info? Being an atheist makes no sense. If you were really honest you would have to admit that their might be a God.
"Science" deal with the natural world... it has nothing to say about 'gods' other than there is no evidence to support their claimed existence. But I'll throw you a bone and say there might be a 'god'. As of yet, there is zero evidence for any 'god'. Nothing. If there was actual evidence, religion would not require 'faith' and there would likely be only 1 religion in the world. So, I'll give it as much credence as I give to ghosts, faeries, goblins, leprechauns, centaurs, unicorns, ogres, giants, dragons, werewolves, vampires, gnomes, etc. etc. etc.... none.

BTW... being an atheist makes perfect sense. It is based on the evidence for there being a 'god'... any 'god'... and that is none. The default position in light of the overwhelming lack of evidence for something is NOT to believe in the first place.
Thinking

York, UK

#425 Jul 23, 2013
0% against because it has already 100% happened.

Deal 52 cards from a well shuffled deck. The probability of getting that deck in that order is just under 0. followed by 67 zeroes followed by 124.(One divided by 52 factorial).

So almost no chance.

But it happened.

Next!
antiatheist wrote:
You know the odds against that? It couldn't happen.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#426 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
I assume all atheists believe in evolution and the like. Will some of you please explain to me how the first thing was created? How did it happen? Look forward to hearing your "evidence".
Nope, all you need to be an atheist, is not believe in deities. There are atheists who call themselves Raelians. They believe in creation also, but from aliens. Also bat shit crazy, but a hell of allot more probable than god.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#427 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
terry you can also answer if you are able. How did the universe begin? How did the first sign of life happen? How did life form from nothing?
Research some of Lawrence Krauss' debates. He explains how something can come from nothing very well. You 1st have to define nothing, and, who's to say there was nothing? The fact is, no one knows for sure, inserting God as an answer does nothing except stop anyone from looking further. Imagine if we stopped scientific discovery, based on goddidit. Flat earth, no clue of the universe what so ever, no flight, etc. God doesn't answer squat, scientifically. God as an answer to scientific questions, halts progress.

And life didn't form from nothing. We still don't know exactly how it started, but scientists are getting closer all the time.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#428 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
actually terry I'm trying to get an answer from any atheist. You have given me a vary vague "answer" that really doesn't answer my question. You say chemical reaction but who created the chemicals? In the beginning something had to have been created and nobody on here seems to be able to admit or answer it. Its funny scientists can't cure multiple diseases like cancer.......yet they seem to want to tell us they know there is no God and that they know how the universe began? You guys have an enormous amount of faith
As many people have stated before...Science give us the most probable reasons for creation, and you just so happen to have a different idea about it. No one knows exactly how things happened, but science has told us alot about it. If you don't agree with science then obviously that's fine, but you are searching for an answer that no one has...."yet". I believe that science gives us a more probable cause than the biblical creation myself. Also it does not take "faith" for scientific evidence to be believed...it's evidence. If there were evidence for a "god" then it is highly likely that every Atheist would agree. However since there isn't they choose not to.

Christians give a very vague answer as well. The only thing that you can show us about creation is the bible, and not everyone is going to trust something that is written in a book. You don't believe in Science books...Atheists don't believe in the bible.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#429 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you don't know the answer so you automatically think we popped out of thin air and somehow over billions of years developed into what we are today? You think the complexity of the universe just happened by random chance? You know the odds against that? It couldn't happen. You guys brag about science and evidence yet you don't even how any. Amazing
Science has never said that we popped out of thin air...however the bible says that we popped out of thin air. There is plenty of scientific evidence for many different things, and you can read, and research it all if you choose to so please stop saying that there is no scientific evidence when you are perfectly aware that there is.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#430 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you don't know the answer so you automatically think we popped out of thin air and somehow over billions of years developed into what we are today? You think the complexity of the universe just happened by random chance? You know the odds against that? It couldn't happen. You guys brag about science and evidence yet you don't even how any. Amazing
You are bitter and dishonest people who cannot admit that you have no proof of god and are lying to us in order to spread your shrinking cult.
LCN Llin

United States

#431 Jul 23, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You are bitter and dishonest people who cannot admit that you have no proof of god and are lying to us in order to spread your shrinking cult.
"...lying to us..." plural
Admits she/he/it uses more than one name on Topix.
Amusing

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#436 Jul 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
no this particular issue is namely the result of politicians being politicians and refusing to defend our borders because they don't wanna offend hispanics in particular. They may not get that hispanic vote
Your racism continues to unfold....

...typical of a Genuine Christian™, though-- selfish to the core.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#437 Jul 23, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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I am all broken up, have noticed it is always the godbots who get themselves banned when was the last time an atheist got banned?
In 7 years of posting? I know of only one-- and he was pretty radical too.

But this makes-- 6 or 8 godbots who were banned.

Some, like EW only get a temporary ban, and then return.

Others are gone for good--until they respawn under a new sock.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#438 Jul 23, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Is it the lack of violent intent in the non believers? There was one believer called George Anderson (or similar) that threatened to shoot posters. In writing. Madness!
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It kinda goes with the religion...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#439 Jul 23, 2013
AngelAngle wrote:
SUBJECT CHANGE:
at what age did you became an atheist,agnostic etc.
was it a gradual change or a sudden moment of clarity?
For me, it was a gradual change. Many years of study,observation debate and experience to eventually develop my current stance on the subject.I was around 25 when I identified myself as atheist.
Years and years.

I went from a Genuine Christian™ through moderate- then liberal- then deist-christian then just a deist then years of back-and-forth.

I don't have a word for that last phase: some days I kinda did believe in a god "out there somewhere--watching" and other days I thought it all nonsensical.

I finally settled on "it's all nonsense".

:)

Took me years, though.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#440 Jul 23, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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For me, around late 30s. I went through a transition from skeptical christian, to agnostic, to agnostic atheist. That took a couple of years. I was one of those who had difficulty shaking off a lifetime of self-indoctrination.
It ain't easy to un-brainwash yourself.

Facts are a big help, though.

:D

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