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'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

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#23 Jul 8, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
Christians don't hate homosexuals angel. We hate the sin they are involved in and we don't want it normalized in our society. Many Christian groups reach out to homosexuals all the time.
You're all two-faced dishonest pr*cks.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#24 Jul 8, 2013
what a loser you are. You must have had a terrible childhood to be so angry. Sad

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#25 Jul 8, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
The current most charitable individuals in the United States, based on “Estimated Lifetime Giving,” are:
1) Warren Buffett (atheist, donated $40.785 billion to “health, education, humanitarian causes”)
2) Bill & Melinda Gates (atheists, donated $27.602 billion to “global health and development, education”)
3) George Soros (atheist, donated $6.936 billion to “open and democratic societies”)
Religious people love to lie and exaggerate about their cults effectiveness.
You are correct about this, but unfortunately in America as a whole the religious do donate and volunteer more than secular individuals. See the following study: http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-rev...
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#26 Jul 8, 2013
finally some honesty

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#27 Jul 8, 2013
critical-thinker wrote:
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You are correct about this, but unfortunately in America as a whole the religious do donate and volunteer more than secular individuals. See the following study: http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-rev...
Could be the fact that there are more of them.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#28 Jul 8, 2013
religious people are just more charitable and willing to give of their time and money. Its part of being a servant and being humble. Atheists for the most part are more self centered and don't have a reason to help others.

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#29 Jul 8, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
what a loser you are. You must have had a terrible childhood to be so angry. Sad
What else can you say to me, when you have no proof of god?

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#30 Jul 8, 2013
critical-thinker wrote:
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You are correct about this, but unfortunately in America as a whole the religious do donate and volunteer more than secular individuals. See the following study: http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-rev...
Religious people do good in order to get in to heaven.

Atheists do good because ey are good people and don't need to be lied to in order to do good.

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#31 Jul 8, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
religious people are just more charitable and willing to give of their time and money. Its part of being a servant and being humble. Atheists for the most part are more self centered and don't have a reason to help others.
-You claimed that atheists don't give.

The top 3 givers are all atheists and have given more to charity than the rest of w world combined.

-you claim religious people are more charitable - the reason for their help is because they are threatened with eternal hell.

I'm glad atheists don't need imaginary threats in order to do good.

Lets hear your next lie....

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#32 Jul 8, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
religious people are just more charitable and willing to give of their time and money. Its part of being a servant and being humble. Atheists for the most part are more self centered and don't have a reason to help others.
After your brave en to prove the god you're trying so desperately to lie to us about, your ignorant opinions about other people's reality might matter more.

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#33 Jul 9, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
oh my goodness. I can hear the desperation just by reading your pathetic words. You mean there are three??? wow how impressive lol Three whole atheists that gave to charity.
The catholic church doesn't give anything
AngelAngle

Dallas, TX

#34 Jul 9, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
religious people are just more charitable and willing to give of their time and money. Its part of being a servant and being humble. Atheists for the most part are more self centered and don't have a reason to help others.
What are you basing this on?

Where are you getting your statistics?

It doesn't seem that you have met many atheists...or religious people for that matter. You seem to have a "live under a rock mentality"

AngelAngle

Dallas, TX

#35 Jul 9, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
religious people are just more charitable and willing to give of their time and money. Its part of being a servant and being humble. Atheists for the most part are more self centered and don't have a reason to help others.
Its the right thing to do is the reason I help others. Not because anyone is making me or I'm afraid of the consequences if i don't. It's simply because i am a rationally thinking adult ,capable of making the my own decisions and deciding the difference between right and wrong.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#36 Jul 9, 2013
angel you can look it up for yourself. Surely you know how to use google.

"Religious people do good in order to get in to heaven." Skeptic you really are showing your ignorance. You don't go to heaven by doing good. You go to heaven by accepting Christ. You don't give because you are afraid of hell. Giving to charity or doing good works has nothing to do with going to heaven or hell.
AngelAngle

Dallas, TX

#37 Jul 9, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
angel you can look it up for yourself. Surely you know how to use google.
"Religious people do good in order to get in to heaven." Skeptic you really are showing your ignorance. You don't go to heaven by doing good. You go to heaven by accepting Christ. You don't give because you are afraid of hell. Giving to charity or doing good works has nothing to do with going to heaven or hell.
Do you get the dichotomy that you are preaching how understanding and compassionate people that believe are? You then come on here and insult and talk down to everyone,showing ZERO compassion and understanding for anyone.

Do I believe that you are more charitable than an atheist?

Based on what you have said to people on here and the way your FIRST reaction is to immediately insult someone that disagrees with your opinion, no way man.

I don't believe for one moment that you would help someone less fortunate than yourself.

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#38 Jul 9, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
what a loser you are. You must have had a terrible childhood to be so angry. Sad
Nope that's not proof of god either. Try again liar.

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#39 Jul 9, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
angel you can look it up for yourself. Surely you know how to use google.
"Religious people do good in order to get in to heaven." Skeptic you really are showing your ignorance. You don't go to heaven by doing good. You go to heaven by accepting Christ. You don't give because you are afraid of hell. Giving to charity or doing good works has nothing to do with going to heaven or hell.
Weasel words - religious people do good because they are scared of the consequences.

Atheists do good because its the right thing to do.

We are afraid that all that's keeping you from immoral behavior is an imaginary friend.

Remember that your imagination has absolutely nothing to do with other people's reality.

When you're mature enough to stop lying about god, your ignorant hate-cult might gain more respect.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#40 Jul 9, 2013
critical-thinker wrote:
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You are correct about this, but unfortunately in America as a whole the religious do donate and volunteer more than secular individuals. See the following study: http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-rev...
This is evidence but not proof that "... the dramatic charitable differences between secular and religious people?"

... Two lines of reasoning tie the findings above to current policy debates. First, secularists may prefer government solutions to social problems over private (charity-supported) ones, and thus give and volunteer less than religious people. Second, religion may be a key ingredient in promoting social capital, which in turn encourages giving and volunteering." Doesn't explain it, this report suggests. Apparently nothing does. It apparently concludes that superstitious belief in god(s) explains it.

It doesn't even mention the difference in age...
https://www.cafonline.org/pdf/1190H_PartyConf...
"The last three decades have seen a growing generational divide in charitable giving in the UK.
More than half of all donations to charity (52 per cent) now come from the over-60s, compared to just over one-third (35 per cent) thirty years ago.
The over-60s are now more than twice as likely to give to charity as the under-30s. In the most recent year of our data (2010), we observe 32 per cent of the over-60s having given in the past fortnight, compared to 16 per cent of the under-30s. This compares to 29 per cent and 23 per cent respectively for the two age groups in 1980.
Older people are typically more generous than younger, giving more as a share of their total spending. This ‘generosity gap’ has widened over the past three decades. The over-60s are now more than six times more generous than the under-30s compared to less than three times more generous, thirty years ago.
n These changes arise from fundamental generational shifts in giving behaviour. An earlier trend of increasing participation across cohorts has been reversed, while an earlier trend of increasing generosity across – and within – cohorts has been replaced by much flatter profiles."
Now older people may be more religious, but that doesn't mean that superstition about god(s) or afterlifes motivates them to give.

And it is full of religious references such as "With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God’s work must truly be our own.”(JFK). This doesn't prove any bias but is hardly indicative of detatchment.

Religions are more organised. I give to Christian Aid Week when someone calls and that might be an indication of 'Christian giving' in some analyses.

How much people give probably has as much to do with financial pressures as it does age.

I don't think such a debate can be settled by a statistical slanging-match. The point is that there is no conclusive evidence that religionists are more generous or better in any way than the non-superstitious.

Even if religionists gave more money to charity (and I don't accept they do) it still wouldn't make up for all the harm religion does and the trouble it causes. And it won't make a god exist either.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#41 Jul 9, 2013
Here is more 'proof' that religionists are better than people like me....
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

I suspect such results probably say more about the studies and those who conducted them than about the religious and the non-religious.

I can only speak for myself. I'm happy without and I try to live a good life. If religionists may conclude they have proof that they are better than me. They may think and act on that conclusion but I doubt if the world will be a better place for it.

I remain inclined to the view that it is nature and nurture that determines a person's behaviour and character. And I don't think a rational person can start believing in god(s) and pixies even if that did make them 'better'.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#42 Jul 9, 2013
skeptic you are in your own little world. Do you know for sure there isnt a God? No you don't.

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