Why do most atheists run from the ter...

Why do most atheists run from the term atheist for themselves?

There are 20 comments on the Examiner.com story from Dec 30, 2013, titled Why do most atheists run from the term atheist for themselves?. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

Roughly 1/10 of Americans, or 10%, don't believe in a god . Well, specifically, 1/10 adult Americans.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Examiner.com.

EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#1 Dec 31, 2013
I think this is a very USAmerican view of atheism:
quote article: "...Thankfully [atheism or atheist] is not quite defined in this way anymore but it is time atheists get our word back and stop letting those who despise and fear us, control it."
and it doesn't take account of the fact that atheism, agnostic, secular, etc,.. such terms are only needed due to the prevalence of religion.

I don't mind being called atheist but I've no interest in religion or atheism, only in mitigating the problems such thinking causes. In a sense,'Atheists' are a legacy and consequence of religion. After all, why would anyone call themselves atheist if there were no god-believers?!

I don't call myself atheist, though I agree with the sentiments in this song by Jonny Eve....
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
and I look forward to a world where words like 'cleric', bishop' and 'prophet' are viewed appropriately, much like witchdoctor, medicine-man, druid or sooth-sayer are generally viewed.
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#2 Dec 31, 2013
EdSed wrote:
I think this is a very USAmerican view of atheism:
quote article: "...Thankfully [atheism or atheist] is not quite defined in this way anymore but it is time atheists get our word back and stop letting those who despise and fear us, control it."
and it doesn't take account of the fact that atheism, agnostic, secular, etc,.. such terms are only needed due to the prevalence of religion.
I don't mind being called atheist but I've no interest in religion or atheism, only in mitigating the problems such thinking causes. In a sense,'Atheists' are a legacy and consequence of religion. After all, why would anyone call themselves atheist if there were no god-believers?!
I don't call myself atheist, though I agree with the sentiments in this song by Jonny Eve....
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
and I look forward to a world where words like 'cleric', bishop' and 'prophet' are viewed appropriately, much like witchdoctor, medicine-man, druid or sooth-sayer are generally viewed.
I like to use agnostic when I refer to myself. I don't know and no other mortal does either. One thing I know....anyone who believes the bible is touched in the head and nutty as a fruit cake.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#3 Dec 31, 2013
I don't understand why people are afraid of what they are? It's lke a gay person saying, I don't call myself gay, I just tell people I like the same sex. If you don't believe in a deity, you ARE and atheist. Own it, I do.

Calling your self an "unbeliever" means what exactly? What don't you believe in? If the answer is God or a deity, then you are an atheist, whether you call yourself one or not.

To each their own, I just have a hard time understanding why.(if you are already out)
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#4 Dec 31, 2013
Cujo wrote:
I don't understand why people are afraid of what they are?...)
Who have you met or read about who's afraid to say they're atheist? That misses the point about why some of us refer to ourselves as non-believers. I find that if I call myself atheist or agnostic then religionists argue about which I am, or insist on their personal definitions of those terms. Fine, I simply leave the labelling to those interested in it, religious or not.

I call myself a non-believer as it isn't just deities or gods which I find unconvincing. I also find witches, elves and fairies unlikely too.

On the other hand there are very good reasons in the USA to be afraid to call oneself an atheist.....
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/...
Only 54%! And consider some of what your religious compatriots write on these threads.

Religion is probably more trouble than a personally held superstition that there's a god, so whether one is atheist or not often isn't exactly the point at issue.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5 Dec 31, 2013
I am an atheist. It is who I am. I am simply not a theist, I am free of theism. I also do not happen to believe in any god or gods, along with many other equally nonsensical things.

Only when I am dealing with theism's dullards, do I use the term "non-believer", for it is they who cannot grasp the actual meaning of the word "atheist".
LCNin

United States

#6 Jan 1, 2014
If a person believes there is no God,
is this a belief?

As there is no atheist Pope,

different atheists define atheism in different ways...

some of which irritate other atheists.:-)

Such is life.

Peace
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#7 Jan 1, 2014
Again, L....
LCNin wrote:
If a person believes there is no God,
is this a belief?
Belief in gods or pixies is not just as reasonable as disbelief them. You will not define your god(s). You always run from the question.
LCNin wrote:
As there is no atheist Pope different atheists define atheism in different ways...
Again, you are caught in a lie.....
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
I think you will find that people generally (atheist or otherwise) are reasonably happy with the dictionary definition. Some people like you try to imply atheism is a belief similar to a religious belief, or atheism is a religion.

We have been through this many times but you never address the substance of a post. You keep running away like a troll.
LCNin wrote:
some of which irritate other atheists.:-)
Such is life.
Or are you the one irritated? The fact you have been trolling the Atheist Forum for years like this suggests that it is disbelief in gods and criticisms of religion which threaten you.
LCNin wrote:
Peace
And in the aid of 'peace' you troll the Atheist Forum like this year-in and year-out. It clearly isn't the action of anyone promoting peace. Arguably, it is more like the action of a troll or trouble-maker.

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
In your heart you know that is the simple truth and that is what seems to irritate you.

Now address the substance of the posts addressed to you - or keep running away.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#8 Jan 1, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
I am an atheist. It is who I am. I am simply not a theist, I am free of theism. I also do not happen to believe in any god or gods, along with many other equally nonsensical things.
Only when I am dealing with theism's dullards, do I use the term "non-believer", for it is they who cannot grasp the actual meaning of the word "atheist".
Lol! So true.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9 Jan 1, 2014
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Lol! So true.
Aye, and as you had pointed out in the very first post,(that they would) this particular dysfunctional dullard troll has again chosen to attempt to redefine the word, based on his most skewed world view. So which of the choices below would we expect him to use as the correct definition of atheism's beginnings?

A. To not accept a god, one must do nothing, as god-myths do not get placed in one's list of likes by osmosis.

B. To deny or reject a god-myth or accompanying theism, the thing must first be considered, mulled over and then trashed.

Being atheist is the default, until one is indoctrinated he/she is atheist. It is a non-existent stance based on comparison to someone else's acceptance of a theism.

To the various trolls: The correct answer is A.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#10 Jan 4, 2014
LCNin wrote:
If a person believes there is no God,
is this a belief?
As there is no atheist Pope,
different atheists define atheism in different ways...
some of which irritate other atheists.:-)
Such is life.
Peace
We'd have to have a reason or some sort of evidence to believe there is a god, in order to believe there isn't a god.

That concept may well be beyond you.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#11 Jan 5, 2014
EdSed wrote:
Again, L....

Now address the substance of the posts addressed to you - or keep running away.
It looks like he not only ran away Again, but changed his name Again to a new sock puppet..
Thinking

Stalbridge, UK

#12 Jan 7, 2014
I'm running from nothing but I prefer the term "non believer" because religitards repeatedly misrepresent the term Atheist to only mean that there can be no possibility of any god of any flavour. That is not a rational position. Most Atheists do not fall under this partial definition.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#13 Jan 8, 2014
I think that some choose to describe themselves according to the level of confrontation and conflict they want to provoke. "Atheist" and "anti-theist" are more "in your face" than "non-believer" or "unbeliever" are. On the other side of the coin, there are some who take offense when others do not share their beliefs no matter how gently that disagreement is expressed.

Context also comes into play. Obviously, when in the midst of church activities, it's just plain rude to object to religious expression just as it is to insist on injecting religion into purely secular conversations. Either behavior can create an uncomfortable "insider/outsider" dichotomy.

Some people like to engage in debate. It makes sense to me to be sensitive to the extent of people's receptiveness to new ideas. In forums like this one, that should be a given--why else would people participate? Strange indeed, then that so many get so upset when confronted with opposing ideas. Very strange.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#14 Jan 8, 2014
Atheist defines one in terms of what one is not. That can get time consuming if one decides to list all the beliefs one does not hold. I am, after all, also an a-unicornist, a-leprechaunist, a-pixieist, and etc. The issue for me is that "atheist", being a definition by subtraction, somehow implies that being a theist is the norm against which everyone is measured. Statistically, theists outnumber atheists, but defining oneself by a quality one does not possess does carry some implication on some level that one is 'lesser' because of the lack of belief.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#15 Jan 8, 2014
Amused wrote:
Atheist defines one in terms of what one is not. That can get time consuming if one decides to list all the beliefs one does not hold. I am, after all, also an a-unicornist, a-leprechaunist, a-pixieist, and etc. The issue for me is that "atheist", being a definition by subtraction, somehow implies that being a theist is the norm against which everyone is measured. Statistically, theists outnumber atheists, but defining oneself by a quality one does not possess does carry some implication on some level that one is 'lesser' because of the lack of belief.
Might I suggest that one word of your posting be changed? Instead of "quality", maybe affliction would better describe the condition of theism. It is, an assumed mantle and not necessarily one of any merit.
Lnc

United States

#16 Jan 9, 2014
"It is, an assumed mantle and not necessarily one of any merit."Peason Rersonified

She prattles on with the same mumbo jumbo whining about theism, all too amusing over a period of time.
Lnc

United States

#17 Jan 9, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text> Aye, and as you had pointed out in the very first post,(that they would) this particular dysfunctional dullard troll has again chosen to attempt to redefine the word, based on his most skewed world view. So which of the choices below would we expect him to use as the correct definition of atheism's beginnings?
A. To not accept a god, one must do nothing, as god-myths do not get placed in one's list of likes by osmosis.
B. To deny or reject a god-myth or accompanying theism, the thing must first be considered, mulled over and then trashed.
Being atheist is the default, until one is indoctrinated he/she is atheist. It is a non-existent stance based on comparison to someone else's acceptance of a theism.
To the various trolls: The correct answer is A.
........ a bit defensive, still managing to be amusing ?
Jim

London, UK

#18 Jan 10, 2014
Lnc wrote:
"It is, an assumed mantle and not necessarily one of any merit."Peason Rersonified
She prattles on with the same mumbo jumbo whining about theism, all too amusing over a period of time.
She was never loved, so she upvotes herself thesedays.
Jim

London, UK

#19 Jan 10, 2014
Lnc wrote:
<quoted text>
........ a bit defensive, still managing to be amusing ?
Weasel words from known cult members

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#20 Jan 10, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
She was never loved, so she upvotes herself thesedays.
Not that it matters but the coward troll continually uses "seems, may, amuses" words like that in his efforts to make non-statements. Even with my name he can't force himself to say something, it is only because I am atheist that he pretends to try.

Topix has repeatedly tossed him, and like many other bad pennies, he shows back up wearing a new sock. So tell me, what is "upvotes", and where have I done this thing?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Atheism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
John 3:16 1 min Shizle 80
News Atheists Aren't the Problem, Christian Intolera... (Oct '14) 1 min Eagle 12 10,932
News Atheism requires as much faith as religion? (Jul '09) 1 hr Aura Mytha 244,949
News Why Atheism Will Replace Religion (Aug '12) 2 hr ChristineW 14,664
News "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really T... (Jan '12) 3 hr dirtclod 20,623
Atheists should stop feeding the stereotypes 17 hr NightSerf 18
News Si Robertson, 'Duck Dynasty' Star, Says Atheist... 21 hr thetruth 42
More from around the web