Atheism and cowardice

Atheism and cowardice

There are 12663 comments on the Conservapedia story from Nov 18, 2011, titled Atheism and cowardice. In it, Conservapedia reports that:

Have any of the New Atheists toured [[Islam]]ic countries giving lectures in which they condemn [[Allah]], [[Muhammad]], Islam, or Muslims? Have any of them debated Muslims in Islamic countries? Have any of them been interviewed on Al Jazeera? Have any of them written entire books in which they condemn Allah, Muhammad, Islam, or Muslims? Have they ... (more)

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number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#12406 Nov 3, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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If you can't see the flaw in that argument by yourself now, you probably never will. It's a nice illustration of the inability of faith based thinkers and evidence based thinkers to teach one another. We think in radically different ways.
..Now , it is you ( who refuses to answer )..!

You took "only" the complexity of the cell to rebuttal , but what about the first rule of thermal dynamics ..an , outside force caused the creation of the universe ..? nothing ..

why , do men have consciences ? nothing ..

Unlike , yourself I'm not going to assume you are avoiding the topic ..maybe , it wasn't interesting ..an omission ...I don't really care ..
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#12407 Nov 3, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I asked, "Then you think that the values of a god can fall to the level that man is at, and the god still be perfect?" and you chose not to answer.
No ..God perfection is above reproach ..what , we can learn from the "OT" is God has a personality , He forgives , is angered feels regret ,jealous .

and , no these are not petty , the sacred authors had to use "words" to describe God , and words are limited, in what they can convey ..

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#12408 Nov 3, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Once again, I don't identify with your description of reality. That is not my sole motive, nor my primary motive. You don't seem to make a distinction between your subjective impressions and objective descriptions of reality. I don't see the same world you do.
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You're conflating separate issues: right action and right view.
And I think you give Jesus too much credit. He contributed nothing original and valuable to moral philosophy or metaphysics. If you disagree, perhaps you could offer a few counterexamples.
The originality of Jesus' teaching lies in the context of the time and place. It was not essentially original, as similar philosophy was at least known of in eastern mysticism.

But Jesus lived and was educated in a Jewish society. "Salvation" relied on books and rules, properly kept. The concept of God was a separate, remote, monarch who handed out favor when properly humored.

Jesus taught against that in powerful and rebellious fashion. His recommendation was to give a cup of water to a stranger, and if you lack the desire to do that, even casting out demons and performing miracles profits nothing.

Jesus taught the futility of looking for an external monarchy that rules the universe like moving chess pieces on a board. He suggested an internal essence that is distinct from material form and thought form.

"I and the Father are One"; "If you see me, you have seen the Father".

The mistake of religion was they thought he was talking about himself. He was speaking of everyone.

Maybe not original, but at the time, inspired and revolutionary.

Christianity mangled the message and created an abomination. They did it for the same reason men do most things - power, authority, and control.

Maybe the true message will be rediscovered. Hope so.
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#12409 Nov 3, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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It seems a little self-centered to me, not godly. What he wants results in souls going to hell. If your god is real, he has done a large number of us a disservice by allowing so many of us to disbelieve by giving us free will, disappearing, and stocking the world with deceptive fossils and genetic markers all saying he doesn't exist. And for what? So that he can be surrounded in heaven by people that guessed right despite contrary evidence? Like I said, that doesn't sound very godly. In fact, it's a trifle selfish.
But that's just the start. Why won't he let me go to sleep after death if he doesn't want me in heaven? Why keep me awake forever suffering in fire? Sorry to be so disrespectful, but I have to ask: How can you call a creature would do something like that anything but a monster?
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Bridge tournament. I'm not taking my computer to the hotel, and tend not to use the public ones.
Look ! The reason you don't call God a monster , is because you'll get the leprosy ...nah, I'm just joshin'

before Jesus redeemed mankind "all" souls went to hell , the worst of the suffering is the eternal loss of God ..

And , here's were you will get pissed ..We don't really know what God knows ..and, its sounds like a cop out , to be sure ..

But , God is more merciful than you or I ; and yet Hell last an eternity ...

I take umbrage fossils are "not" deceptive ..I (heart) fossils fuels ..and, genetic markers don't actually speak ...

the creation story is a myth , as no one was there to record events , the sacred author merely wished to convey God created everything ..Adam and Eve were our "spiritual" ancestors ...more than just hominids ..I consider them , the reason for the " knowledge explosion " ..
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#12411 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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"I and the Father are One"; "If you see me, you have seen the Father".
The mistake of religion was they thought he was talking about himself. He was speaking of everyone.

...bzzt... Incorrect , every time Jesus was misunderstood , He was quick to speak plainly ..and , in this case with His very life on the line ..He , made quick His escape ..as, the Jews understood exactly what He was claiming ..equality with God ..

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#12412 Nov 3, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>...bzzt... Incorrect , every time Jesus was misunderstood , He was quick to speak plainly ..and , in this case with His very life on the line ..He , made quick His escape ..as, the Jews understood exactly what He was claiming ..equality with God ..
Jesus escaped by clarifying that he was no more "one with God" than everyone else.

They were about to stone him for blasphemy - claiming equality with God.

He referred them to their own sacred scriptures - Psalm 82:6 - "Ye are gods".

He saved his own life by declaring he was no different than they.

Either he was lying to save his skin, or he did not believe he was God.

The preponderance of evidence is that he did not believe he was God, in any way unique from other human beings.

John 10:

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#12413 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Jesus escaped by clarifying that he was no more "one with God" than everyone else.
They were about to stone him for blasphemy - claiming equality with God.
He referred them to their own sacred scriptures - Psalm 82:6 - "Ye are gods".
He saved his own life by declaring he was no different than they.
Either he was lying to save his skin, or he did not believe he was God.
The preponderance of evidence is that he did not believe he was God, in any way unique from other human beings.
John 10:
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Noun: Buckadaveism 'buh-cuh, dey-vee-izum

1.A religion originated by two individuals that profess various forms of woo woo doctrines and a mixture of fringe science incorporating; Intelligent Design, Marlboro cigarettes, EM, "thingies", "energies",.·:*¨`*Th e Unknown*¨`*:·., paper clips, Universal Logic™, Jesusism, monoliths, beer, swine, and a cat.

Primarily focused on an insubstantial and invisible birdlike god being that resides outside of time and space.

http://www.Buckadaveism.com
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#12414 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Jesus escaped by clarifying that he was no more "one with God" than everyone else.
They were about to stone him for blasphemy - claiming equality with God.
He referred them to their own sacred scriptures - Psalm 82:6 - "Ye are gods".
He saved his own life by declaring he was no different than they.
Either he was lying to save his skin, or he did not believe he was God.
The preponderance of evidence is that he did not believe he was God, in any way unique from other human beings.
John 10:
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
....oy vey ...You missed a few passages , yes Jesus asked "why do you want to kill me for claiming to be the son of God ," and He quoted Psalms ....but, then He pushed the envelope ...and, actually claimed " He is in God " ...Jews are nice people , but in this they could not abide ...John 10;38 ..

I don't know what Jesus's skill was , was He wiry , nimble a parkour master ..??

.. mobs never hurt Him ..
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#12415 Nov 3, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Noun: Buckadaveism 'buh-cuh, dey-vee-izum
1.A religion originated by two individuals that profess various forms of woo woo doctrines and a mixture of fringe science incorporating; Intelligent Design, Marlboro cigarettes, EM, "thingies", "energies",.·:*¨`*Th e Unknown*¨`*:·., paper clips, Universal Logic™, Jesusism, monoliths, beer, swine, and a cat.
Primarily focused on an insubstantial and invisible birdlike god being that resides outside of time and space.
http://www.Buckadaveism.com
..Yeah , this is where Christianity beats its opponents ..Jesus , never wrote a thing ..WITNESSES DID ..Matthew , Mark , Luke ,John and Peter ..

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12416 Nov 3, 2013
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..Yeah , this is where Christianity beats its opponents ..Jesus , never wrote a thing ..WITNESSES DID ..Matthew , Mark , Luke ,John and Peter ..
Sorry?

Those books were not written by anyone they told about, silly boyo!

The 4 "gospels" in the NT were written 3 generations **after** the alleged events.

They are simply gossip, and nothing more.
LCNLin

United States

#12417 Nov 3, 2013
80,291 examples of gossip.

So far
many attacks
alas no proof of his beliefs
LOL

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#12418 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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The originality of Jesus' teaching lies in the context of the time and place. It was not essentially original, as similar philosophy was at least known of in eastern mysticism.
But Jesus lived and was educated in a Jewish society. "Salvation" relied on books and rules, properly kept. The concept of God was a separate, remote, monarch who handed out favor when properly humored.
Jesus taught against that in powerful and rebellious fashion. His recommendation was to give a cup of water to a stranger, and if you lack the desire to do that, even casting out demons and performing miracles profits nothing.
Jesus taught the futility of looking for an external monarchy that rules the universe like moving chess pieces on a board. He suggested an internal essence that is distinct from material form and thought form.
"I and the Father are One"; "If you see me, you have seen the Father".
The mistake of religion was they thought he was talking about himself. He was speaking of everyone.
Maybe not original, but at the time, inspired and revolutionary.
Christianity mangled the message and created an abomination. They did it for the same reason men do most things - power, authority, and control.
Maybe the true message will be rediscovered. Hope so.
no proof of god .

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#12419 Nov 3, 2013
number4four, buck crick & lincoln - The Trolly Trinity

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#12420 Nov 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
number4four, buck crick & lincoln - The Trolly Trinity
should I join?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12421 Nov 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
number4four, buck crick & lincoln - The Trolly Trinity
Lincoln is extremely jealous of me--he frequently TROLLS my posts with his shty-nonsense.

It's pretty sad, really.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#12422 Nov 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Lincoln is extremely jealous of me--he frequently TROLLS my posts with his shty-nonsense.
It's pretty sad, really.
how could he, you're such a nice and blameless guy?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#12423 Nov 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Lincoln is extremely jealous of me--he frequently TROLLS my posts with his shty-nonsense.
It's pretty sad, really.
Yes, the poor wreck can't stand to read anything negative about his cult.

Cult trolls like Lincoln are the annoying brats that like to shout "3" in class after the teacher has explained 1 + 1 = 2

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#12424 Nov 3, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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how could he, you're such a nice and blameless guy?
Says the proven liar-coward who runs away when asked for proof of his creationist cult.

Haven't you fools realised that nobody has been converted to your cult from the atheist forum?

More and more people are reading your posts and realising what ignorant low down dirty cowardly liars you really are when asked for proof of god.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#12425 Nov 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Lincoln is extremely jealous of me--he frequently TROLLS my posts with his shty-nonsense.
...
That's just wishful thinking on your part, Bob. Nobody is jealous of you.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#12426 Nov 4, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>That's just wishful thinking on your part, Bob. Nobody is jealous of you.
Obviously you are because you replied.

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