Atheism and cowardice

Atheism and cowardice

There are 12665 comments on the Conservapedia story from Nov 18, 2011, titled Atheism and cowardice. In it, Conservapedia reports that:

Have any of the New Atheists toured [[Islam]]ic countries giving lectures in which they condemn [[Allah]], [[Muhammad]], Islam, or Muslims? Have any of them debated Muslims in Islamic countries? Have any of them been interviewed on Al Jazeera? Have any of them written entire books in which they condemn Allah, Muhammad, Islam, or Muslims? Have they ... (more)

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Since: Jun 07

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#10726 Jul 31, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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I "play victim" in which post? I showed "dishonesty" in which sentence? I "ruthlessly hate" atheists in which revelation?
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Have you read my posts to Quantum Bob, do you really know my position enough? If you are speaking on behalf of Quantum Bob, answer to the points of mys respond instead of cheap accusations. My initial post to Quantum Bob was just a friendly FYI post to clear up the thread-entry point assumption. If doing that would cause some atheists to respond in such hateful way, then you have only prove that some atheists are worse than other atheists, and I have always been in nice conversation with other atheists here (in Islam forum).
When you're brave enough the prove the god you're here to lie about to us, your halfwit opinions about atheists might matter more

Since: Jun 07

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#10727 Jul 31, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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Are you then sure imposition of atheistic worldview to your kids is not a form of "abusive" indoctrination?
No, denying your children from what one know positively affects oneself is a form of child abuse. Parents naturally go with what they believe is best for their childre, and no one would call you an abuser for denying your children a theistic worldview that has proven to help kids in positive ways. It would be child abuse for parents to go to their churches while leaving the kids behind. It would be child-abuse for parents to live one way while trying to hide it from the children. On simply have to live honorably and honestly, and nothing is preventing the kids from thinking for themselves when they grow up.
Atheism is not a worldview, its a fact. If you can provide evidence for the alternative, you will look less stupid here.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#10728 Jul 31, 2013
Are you being deliberately evasive or are you just another religitard?
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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So, are you responding to my post or are you still talking to yourself? I have no idea what your point is here.

Since: Jun 07

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#10729 Jul 31, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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I'm a little confused by what is going on in this thread...
Maybe I'm in the wrong thread.
You're in the wrong thread - you're looking for the "I'm a weasel with no proof of god or any proper arguments about atheism, but I'll chat self-righteous bullsh*t anyway to prop up the creationist trolls"

Since: Jun 07

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#10730 Jul 31, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Are you being deliberately evasive or are you just another religitard?
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Another creationist troll who thinks he's super smart.
LCN Llin

United States

#10731 Jul 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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All you can play is hopeless games because you know you're a creationist troll liar with no proof of god and nobody takes your stupid cult seriously.
Thanks! You are always a gentlewoman and positive in your attitudes.
Have a Nice Day

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#10732 Jul 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Atheism is not a worldview, its a fact.
If you can provide evidence for the alternative, you will look less stupid here.
The claim that "it is fact" comes right out from your worldview too, you know?

If you are so keen on insisting that I prove "God" (which is a nonsense request by definition, and which I see as your convenient one-size-fits-all distraction form real argument), would you then prove your claim that Atheism is a "fact"?

I never claim theism to be a provable fact (I would just as well return to my atheist past if I hold that view), so there is no bravery necessary to admit there can't be a proof. I have discussed this at length with other atheists in the past, tell me why I should waste my time with you after seeing your "sincerity" in responding to posts?

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#10733 Jul 31, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Are you being deliberately evasive or are you just another religitard?
no, go back to your response and tell me how it was relevant?

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#10734 Jul 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Another creationist troll who thinks he's super smart.
oh, I never claimed to be smart in any of these posts... did you see a shadow of it in my posts to cause you to make such "super smart" remark?

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#10735 Jul 31, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
Life is very confusing and then we die!
The United Kingdom has given us the BBC to atone for our various sins, of maybe not.
UK has given us this genius holding an apple in my avatar. One who contributed so much in defeating Hitler (on top of his many computational and mathematical advances), but sadly was persecuted to his suicide by the very country he helped save - for being a gay.

Avatar picture taken from the statue of Alan Turing in his memorial at Sackville Park, England - as "atonement" for UK's sin of not loving their hero.

But of course, that can be used by atheists to launch attack
against theism...

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#10736 Jul 31, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
UK has given us this genius holding an apple in my avatar. One who contributed so much in defeating Hitler (on top of his many computational and mathematical advances), but sadly was persecuted to his suicide by the very country he helped save - for being a gay.
...
Suicide by eating the cyanide apple in 1954.
LCN Llin

United States

#10737 Jul 31, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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UK has given us this genius holding an apple in my avatar. One who contributed so much in defeating Hitler (on top of his many computational and mathematical advances), but sadly was persecuted to his suicide by the very country he helped save - for being a gay.
Avatar picture taken from the statue of Alan Turing in his memorial at Sackville Park, England - as "atonement" for UK's sin of not loving their hero.
But of course, that can be used by atheists to launch attack
against theism...
Read of his persecution and tragic death.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#10738 Jul 31, 2013
I have an issue with religious ghettoisation caused by indoctrinating children into the same faith as their parents.

You said that enforcing no religion until say 16/18/21 was inflexible.

I suggested an alternative methodology.

How was that not relevant?
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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no, go back to your response and tell me how it was relevant?
Thinking

Royston, UK

#10739 Jul 31, 2013
Turing's work was amazing.

That said, I would advocate the chemical castration of any believer (usually muslim) that requires women to cover up.
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
<quoted text>
UK has given us this genius holding an apple in my avatar. One who contributed so much in defeating Hitler (on top of his many computational and mathematical advances), but sadly was persecuted to his suicide by the very country he helped save - for being a gay.
Avatar picture taken from the statue of Alan Turing in his memorial at Sackville Park, England - as "atonement" for UK's sin of not loving their hero.
But of course, that can be used by atheists to launch attack
against theism...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#10740 Jul 31, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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But your statement about Genuine Christians being hate-cult is as flawed as claiming that if someone believes human will die then that someone must belong to a hate-cult.
Nope.

The fundamental premise of christianity, if you use the bible to justify it's very existence, is that everyone is worth less than pond scum-- just for being born.

They are to be punished (according to christianity) from something a distant ancestor did-- nothing **they** had anything to do with--apart from the arrogance of being born...

More, christianity teaches that everyone is so worthless, that they somehow deserve infinite torture.

As a result of all this ugly, people pretty much consider human life as worth less than nothing.

**THAT** is the core message of christianity.

Sure-- there's a bit more, but that's it's basis.

If you don't believe in hell theology?

You are not a biblical christian-- you're some sort of pick-and-choose "christian" instead.

More to the point? If you ignore the hell bible-bits? You just tossed out 100% of any reason to have your jesus killed in the first place.

Just as without the mythical garden of Eden? You have no basis for your religion at all.

And the Eden story is another tale of failed parenting--no, not Adam or Eve...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#10741 Jul 31, 2013
Thinking wrote:
There are a lot of theists that can't handle swearing.
I for one am more concerned by church abuse of children by priests who frown on swearing.
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Yep.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#10742 Jul 31, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
are christians not at least as concerned about children as other groups of human beings? we are probably more so as much of the money we donate for the cause of children.
Yet... you support a religion that has systematic programs of hiding or perpetuating child abuse in it's many forms.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#10743 Jul 31, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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Are you then sure imposition of atheistic worldview to your kids is not a form of "abusive" indoctrination?
All children are born atheists. That is, without any belief in gods of any sort: atheist.

There is no "atheistic worldview" any more than there is a "santa claus" worldview.

There are **secular** worldviews,**humanistic** worldviews and so on.

But atheism is simply a lack of faith in supernatural woo.

All children naturally lack faith in gods-- when they are born-- and have to have faith **forced** into their defenseless minds with repeated programs if ritualistic lying.
LCN Llin

United States

#10744 Jul 31, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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All children are born atheists. That is, without any belief in gods of any sort: atheist.
There is no "atheistic worldview" any more than there is a "santa claus" worldview.
There are **secular** worldviews,**humanistic** worldviews and so on.
But atheism is simply a lack of faith in supernatural woo.
All children naturally lack faith in gods-- when they are born-- and have to have faith **forced** into their defenseless minds with repeated programs if ritualistic lying.
Sheldon/Bob funny
LCN Llin

United States

#10745 Jul 31, 2013
UK Tax money at work - BBC News

The Queen was expected to urge the people of the United Kingdom to "pray" in the event of a nuclear war, government documents from 1983 reveal.

The script for a hypothetical broadcast has the monarch describing the threat to the "brave country" as "greater" than any other in history.

It also mentions the Queen's son Prince Andrew, then in the Royal Navy.

Devised by Whitehall officials at one of the most fraught periods of the Cold War, it was never recorded.

The document, released by the government under the 30-year rule, was drawn up as part of a war-gaming exercise in the spring of 1983, working through potential scenarios.
'Terrors'

Although it was only a simulation, the text of the Queen's address - written as if broadcast at midday on Friday 4 March 1983 - seeks to prepare the country for the ordeal of World War III.

The script reads: "Now this madness of war is once more spreading through the world and our brave country must again prepare itself to survive against great odds.
Prince Andrew The speech includes a reference to Prince Andrew, then serving in the Royal Navy

"I have never forgotten the sorrow and the pride I felt as my sister and I huddled around the nursery wireless set listening to my father's [George VI's] inspiring words on that fateful day in 1939 [at the start of the World War II].

"Not for a single moment did I imagine that this solemn and awful duty would one day fall to me.

"But whatever terrors lie in wait for us all, the qualities that have helped to keep our freedom intact twice already during this sad century will once more be our strength."

Striking a personal note, the script continues: "My husband and I share with families up and down the land the fear we feel for sons and daughters, husbands and brothers who have left our side to serve their country.

"My beloved son Andrew is at this moment in action with his unit and we pray continually for his safety and for the safety of all servicemen and women at home and overseas.

"It is this close bond of family life that must be our greatest defence against the unknown.

"If families remain united and resolute, giving shelter to those living alone and unprotected, our country's will to survive cannot be broken."

In the war-gaming exercise, Orange bloc forces - representing the Soviet Union and its Warsaw Pact allies - launch a chemical weapon attack on the UK.

Blue forces - representing Nato - retaliate with a "limited-yield" nuclear strike, forcing Orange to sue for peace.

The exercise came in the year that US President Ronald Reagan both enraged and alarmed Moscow with his denunciation of the Soviet Union as the "evil empire", his plans for a "Star Wars" ballistic missile shield in space, and the deployment of US nuclear cruise missiles to Europe - including to RAF Greenham Common.

Tensions increased when the Soviets shot down a South Korean airliner that strayed into their airspace, killing all 269 on board.

A Nato military exercise, codenamed Able Archer, then nearly triggered an actual conflict with the Soviet leadership apparently convinced it was cover for a genuine attack.

The Soviet Union and the US later negotiated a reduction in the number of nuclear weapons, as the Cold War came to an end.

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