Atheism and cowardice

Atheism and cowardice

There are 12674 comments on the Conservapedia story from Nov 18, 2011, titled Atheism and cowardice. In it, Conservapedia reports that:

Have any of the New Atheists toured [[Islam]]ic countries giving lectures in which they condemn [[Allah]], [[Muhammad]], Islam, or Muslims? Have any of them debated Muslims in Islamic countries? Have any of them been interviewed on Al Jazeera? Have any of them written entire books in which they condemn Allah, Muhammad, Islam, or Muslims? Have they ... (more)

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“There are other issues.”

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#5805 Oct 17, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
I humbly accept your defeat.

Pwned
Another victory party. Maybe your wife will give you some this time and not your brother. That woman defeats you all the time. Green card victory, your fed ex wife!

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#5806 Oct 18, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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Another victory party. Maybe your wife will give you some this time and not your brother. That woman defeats you all the time. Green card victory, your fed ex wife!
Failed Creationist douchebag with nothing to his name.

Since: Sep 11

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#5807 Oct 18, 2012
number four wrote:
<quoted text>.....Oh for pete's sake....!!!...and, you almost had me believing you were intelligent ....allow me to elucidate...I'm entitled to pick whoever I feel will "best" represent me and my community ..
..I would rather have a christian over someone who denies the existence of God.....but..I would vote for an Atheist over an openly gay christian or a practicing Wiccan ..and, I'd probably choose the heathen over a scientologist .
2) As for what you were unable to comprehend ....Would you elect a racist with stellar qualifications ....or his less qualified opponent...???
2a) The point being ..qualifications are to be strived for...but, if the candidate does not represent my morals ...he is not getting my vote...
You directly compared racism with atheism in asking me if I would vote for a well qualified racist. To answer your question, no, but that is not relevant to the discussion. Racism, or the lack thereof, is not a moral value, it is an objectively wrong stance that warrants no serious discussion.

Christianity is a moral value, or rather, it encompasses a generally agreed upon set of moral values - most of which are typical of the general population anyway. The difference between a racist and a non racist is astronomical, the difference between an atheist and a christian, at least with respect to typical moral values, is negligible, and therefore a politician's religion shouldn't have any bearing on your decisions at the ballot box. An atheist politician will agree with any christian that murder, lying, and cheating are wrong. Being a christian does not elevate you to a higher moral plane, it is a useless distinction in a world where everyone agrees that honesty and what not are good values to uphold.

It's really just another form of bigotry - you wouldn't vote for someone for something as petty as which sky daddy he chooses to feign love for, regardless of qualifications and his stated values.

So, to transform your racist/atheist question into a more reasonable one - who would you rather vote for, an atheist who adheres to typical christian values (honesty, love, etc), or a christian in name only (a christian who simply proclaims he is one without really proving moral fortitude

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#5808 Oct 18, 2012
number four wrote:
..."Karl44"...and the lovely "timn17"....
...To put it crudely, we should wager that God exists ,because it is the **best bet**......Blaise Pascal..
Oh good lord. Do you think this is something we haven't heard before?

Pascal's wager is flat out stupid. First, it assumes that out of all possible gods, the one you have chosen is the right one. Second, it assumes that if there were a god, that simple fealty (and not even real devotion - but rather a transparent way to "trick" your way into his good graces) is the only thing this god desires.

It doesn't make any sense. Better to sit it out because of the lack of any real evidence for a deity, and assume that if a god did exist, he/she/it might not be so petty as to punish you to eternal torture for not bowing to him/her/it. Wouldn't an all powerful creator be less childish?

“There are other issues.”

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#5809 Oct 18, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Failed Creationist douchebag with nothing to his name.
Somebody is off his meds again. Skippy always says the same thing over and over.
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo

Santa Monica, CA

#5810 Oct 18, 2012
The article is stupid. What was the point of it? Conservative Christians seem to have this "thing" about what the see as a lack of criticism of Islam. I think conservative Christians just like to whine. And debating the creation myth vs evolution is like debating if Santa delivers presents to children vs whether their parents buy them. It wouldn't be cowardice not to debate against Santa, it's just that it's a non issue.
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#5811 Oct 18, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You directly compared racism with atheism in asking me if I would vote for a well qualified racist. To answer your question, no, but that is not relevant to the discussion. Racism, or the lack thereof, is not a moral value, it is an objectively wrong stance that warrants no serious discussion.
Christianity is a moral value, or rather, it encompasses a generally agreed upon set of moral values - most of which are typical of the general population anyway. The difference between a racist and a non racist is astronomical, the difference between an atheist and a christian, at least with respect to typical moral values, is negligible, and therefore a politician's religion shouldn't have any bearing on your decisions at the ballot box. An atheist politician will agree with any christian that murder, lying, and cheating are wrong. Being a christian does not elevate you to a higher moral plane, it is a useless distinction in a world where everyone agrees that honesty and what not are good values to uphold.
It's really just another form of bigotry - you wouldn't vote for someone for something as petty as which sky daddy he chooses to feign love for, regardless of qualifications and his stated values.
So, to transform your racist/atheist question into a more reasonable one - who would you rather vote for, an atheist who adheres to typical christian values (honesty, love, etc), or a christian in name only (a christian who simply proclaims he is one without really proving moral fortitude
1) You have redeemed yourself ,way to use your peanut..!!!..With respect to moral values ..there really is no difference betwixt a Theist and Atheist ..
2) I would vote for the Atheist .. the hypocritical Christian would be a calamity ..
3)but, I generally wish to elect someone with "my" values ..Atheist see nothing wrong with abortion ..many even believe the world is much too crowded..
3a)Atheist see no harm in homosexual unions ..
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#5812 Oct 18, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh good lord. Do you think this is something we haven't heard before?
Pascal's wager is flat out stupid. First, it assumes that out of all possible gods, the one you have chosen is the right one. Second, it assumes that if there were a god, that simple fealty (and not even real devotion - but rather a transparent way to "trick" your way into his good graces) is the only thing this god desires.
It doesn't make any sense. Better to sit it out because of the lack of any real evidence for a deity, and assume that if a god did exist, he/she/it might not be so petty as to punish you to eternal torture for not bowing to him/her/it. Wouldn't an all powerful creator be less childish?
Pascals wager is "stupid" ..(no one can believe at will ) the wager does not hold for "strict" atheists (even he admits this)..It requires that the atheist suspend rationality ...
2)It was you poop-head that posted Pascal was mocking faith...he was not ..Pascal believed in God..
3)You have free will ...what you wish to do with that...is solely up to you ..The Pain of Hell..is the loss of God,for all eternity , for whom we were created ...I suspect the damned are kicking themselves in the rear..
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#5813 Oct 18, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
I humbly accept your defeat.
Pwned
I have no problem letting a girl win...of course sweet cheeks ,whatever you want...you win again ..

Since: Mar 11

Latonia, KY

#5814 Oct 18, 2012
Best become a Hindu in that case.
It predates Christianity and if they are right you will suffer.
number four wrote:
<quoted text>Pascals wager is "stupid" ..(no one can believe at will ) the wager does not hold for "strict" atheists (even he admits this)..It requires that the atheist suspend rationality ...
2)It was you poop-head that posted Pascal was mocking faith...he was not ..Pascal believed in God..
3)You have free will ...what you wish to do with that...is solely up to you ..The Pain of Hell..is the loss of God,for all eternity , for whom we were created ...I suspect the damned are kicking themselves in the rear..

Since: Mar 11

Latonia, KY

#5815 Oct 18, 2012
You sure do come onto men a lot for someone who is supposed to be against homosexual unions. I already said if your daughter is cute enough she can suck my trouser snake for free providing she gargles before she swallows and you can feel free to watch her wrap her lips around my shaft and lick my balls. Sorry you won't be able to even though you want to but you can watch your daughter gulp my man yogurt, deal?
number four wrote:
<quoted text>I have no problem letting a girl win...of course sweet cheeks ,whatever you want...you win again ..

“There are other issues.”

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#5816 Oct 18, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>You sure do come onto men a lot for someone who is supposed to be against homosexual unions. I already said if your daughter is cute enough she can suck my trouser snake for free providing she gargles before she swallows and you can feel free to watch her wrap her lips around my shaft and lick my balls. Sorry you won't be able to even though you want to but you can watch your daughter gulp my man yogurt, deal?
I knew he was a molester. This poor soul is fascinated by children. You need to understand this since Givethemliberty married a 15 year old Filipino

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#5818 Oct 19, 2012
Educated What wrote:
<quoted text>
I knew he was a molester. This poor soul is fascinated by children. You need to understand this since Givethemliberty married a 15 year old Filipino
Pathetic sadvertisement for Creationist liars.

“There are other issues.”

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#5819 Oct 19, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Pathetic sadvertisement for Creationist liars.
Skippy is sad again. That's what happens when you depend on antidepressants all the time. Now be nice and put on your hug me jacket and relax.
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#5820 Oct 19, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
You sure do come onto men a lot for someone who is supposed to be against homosexual unions. I already said if your daughter is cute enough she can suck my trouser snake for free providing she gargles before she swallows and you can feel free to watch her wrap her lips around my shaft and lick my balls. Sorry you won't be able to even though you want to but you can watch your daughter gulp my man yogurt, deal?
<quoted text>
..I'm "not" convinced you are male...in any case ,according to Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law ..the burden of proof lies with you ...
2) The "only" thing I dislike more than you "Gimemelibertry" are those f**king drug sniffing dogs ..
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#5821 Oct 19, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
You sure do come onto men a lot for someone who is supposed to be against homosexual unions. I already said if your daughter is cute enough she can suck my trouser snake for free providing she gargles before she swallows and you can feel free to watch her wrap her lips around my shaft and lick my balls. Sorry you won't be able to even though you want to but you can watch your daughter gulp my man yogurt, deal?
<quoted text>
..I am quite immature ..(as all can attest)..."if" I have a daughter she's gonna be under five ..is that the kind of shit you're into..???
number four

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#5822 Oct 19, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
1: Yet the apostle cut off a roman soldier's ear. Sigh your bible ignorance never ceases to amaze.
2: They learned from their Christian predecessors to force conversion through violence a Christian practice since Constantine. Are you upset the unwashed Muslims stole the Christian conversion technique?
<quoted text>
..Your dishonesty is what never ceases to amaze me ...did you know "withholding pertinent information" is lying ..(of course you do)..In the same passage where one of the Apostles cut off a ear ..Jesus says" Sheath your sword ,He who lives by the sword ,will die by the .........?"
1a) Do you believe this is a call to arms..??
2)Except in the case of Latin America ...forced conversions end in failure ...triple exclamation point ..

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#5823 Oct 19, 2012
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..Your dishonesty is what never ceases to amaze me ...did you know "withholding pertinent information" is lying ..(of course you do)..In the same passage where one of the Apostles cut off a ear ..Jesus says" Sheath your sword ,He who lives by the sword ,will die by the .........?"
1a) Do you believe this is a call to arms..??
2)Except in the case of Latin America ...forced conversions end in failure ...triple exclamation point ..
Know-nothing Creationist who delberately and naively lies about science with inneffective drivel.

Since: Mar 11

Latonia, KY

#5824 Oct 19, 2012
Can you show a single post where I claimed to be a female?

I will unload my burdon of proof in your daughter's mouth fair enough?

No charge as long as she gargles before she swallows fair enough?
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..I'm "not" convinced you are male...in any case ,according to Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law ..the burden of proof lies with you ...
2) The "only" thing I dislike more than you "Gimemelibertry" are those f**king drug sniffing dogs ..

Since: Mar 11

Latonia, KY

#5825 Oct 19, 2012
As if a bigoted racist like you has any room to speak of honesty LMFAO! But just to pwn your face in, again I will have some more fun, at your expense, as usual.

You said Jesus' followers wouldn't even know how to use a sword. I factually proved you wrong, yet again, as usual with
1:Yet the apostle cut off a roman soldier's ear. Sigh your bible ignorance never ceases to amaze.( No truer words were ever spoken halfwit.)

And this one from before destroys your second point.
2: They forced conversion through violence a Christian practice since Constantine.

Come now surely you can do better? S far you are my punching badnothing more.
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..Your dishonesty is what never ceases to amaze me ...did you know "withholding pertinent information" is lying ..(of course you do)..In the same passage where one of the Apostles cut off a ear ..Jesus says" Sheath your sword ,He who lives by the sword ,will die by the .........?"
1a) Do you believe this is a call to arms..??
2)Except in the case of Latin America ...forced conversions end in failure ...triple exclamation point ..

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