INDONESIA: Blasphemy law should be re...

INDONESIA: Blasphemy law should be repealed

There are 13 comments on the Scoop story from Jun 10, 2012, titled INDONESIA: Blasphemy law should be repealed. In it, Scoop reports that:

The Asian Legal Resource Centre wishes to bring the attention of the Human Rights Council to violations of the right to the freedom of expression and opinion that are being engendered through the use of Indonesia's legal provisions prohibiting blasphemy.

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“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#1 Jun 11, 2012
Human rights and Islam aren't exactly bosom buddies though, are they.
Tax is theft

Jakarta, Indonesia

#2 Jun 11, 2012
The Wahabis lobby try to preserve this stupid law. I wish Wahabis Saudi go south, so Indonesian extremist Muslim think thank run out of money.
Tax is theft

Jakarta, Indonesia

#3 Jun 11, 2012
But since i have many relative that back ground as tax evader from US ..... i would rather live in blasphemy law than live in high tax.

My believe in small government is prove to be right. Because personal habits can not be regulated by states. People always find loop on it. This blasphemy law as success as US war on drugs.

Feminist want government to regulate contract marriage. But rich Arab and women always find loops to do that. Government regulation on contract marriage, make contract marriage more flourish. Today, the customer of contract marriage is not limited Arabs anymore. Rich white people, Korean, etc are also join it. It all thanks to government regulation.

Work same with war on drugs!

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#4 Jun 12, 2012
If the child-raping genocidal "god" actually exists, why doesn't it deal with "blasphemers" itself?

How is it that a mythical "god" can "create the universe" but it can't muster the power to personally punish one person?

Why is "god" now so weak that it needs deluded believers to do its bidding?

When the religitards have a valid answer for those questions, they might have an argument for "blasphemy" laws. Until then, they're sociopathic fascists and uneducated morons looking for an excuse to murder people for fun.

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Tax is theft

Jakarta, Indonesia

#5 Jun 12, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
If the child-raping genocidal "god" actually exists, why doesn't it deal with "blasphemers" itself?
How is it that a mythical "god" can "create the universe" but it can't muster the power to personally punish one person?
Why is "god" now so weak that it needs deluded believers to do its bidding?
When the religitards have a valid answer for those questions, they might have an argument for "blasphemy" laws. Until then, they're sociopathic fascists and uneducated morons looking for an excuse to murder people for fun.
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The problem is they want government blasphemy law!
Amused

Lowell, MA

#6 Jun 13, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
If the child-raping genocidal "god" actually exists, why doesn't it deal with "blasphemers" itself?
How is it that a mythical "god" can "create the universe" but it can't muster the power to personally punish one person?
Why is "god" now so weak that it needs deluded believers to do its bidding?
When the religitards have a valid answer for those questions, they might have an argument for "blasphemy" laws. Until then, they're sociopathic fascists and uneducated morons looking for an excuse to murder people for fun.
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You miss the real point of blasphemy laws. As Bob Marley observed, "If you know what life is worth, you will look for yours right here on earth. Now we see the light, we got to stand up for our rights." Religion is an essential tool for social control for repressive regimes. You can't put a secret policeman in every home, but if you can convince your subjects that there is an all seeing, all knowing being that will reward your subservience in an afterlife, or punish attempts to question authority, you have the ultimate secret policeman. Since you don't have to pay god, and your subjects will voluntarily pay to support religious institutions, the added advantage of religion over police is that it is free.

Blasphemy laws are not aimed at protecting the tender feelings of a deity. They are aimed at suppressing free thought from public expression. Once you have people running around saying that your invisible secret policeman isn't real, you risk losing the ability to control them. People who ask questions about the existence of god will sooner or later start asking questions about the political and economic systems that are rigged in favor of the few at the expense of the many. Blasphemy laws are anti-sedition laws designed to nip rebellion in the bud.

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” Seneca

“Religion is what keeps the poor man from murdering the rich” Napoleon

Blasphemy is not a victimless crime, as some like to joke. The victim is the existing power structure that has a vested interest in perpetuating the god myth, and with it, their own wealth and power.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#7 Jun 13, 2012
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>You miss the real point of blasphemy laws.
No,*you* missed the point of my questions, which were intended to point out that very thing: blasphemy laws are written to seize power and to intimidate populations into obedience.

The whole point of asking why "god" doesn't do anything is to put the onus of proof and responsibility on those who want blasphemy laws. It should not be on those who don't belong to cults to prove exemption or require protection from idiotic laws.

More importantly, my questions put the responsibility on the religious BY THEIR OWN TERMS, not by mine or yours. If the rabidly religious DON'T answer in their own terms, if they don't present and prove a "god" exists, then they're displaying their hypocrisy, and such laws can be disregarded - if societies have the balls to do it.

And to any muslims reading this, mahound (aka mohammed) fucked pigs before he married and fucked a six year old child and fucked her three years later.

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KittenKadaverfac e

Victoria, Mexico

#8 Jun 14, 2012
Two white bigots complaining about the law of a non white nation.

Sounds racist doesn't it?
That's because you atheists are genocidal racists.
Timesten is Gay

Lowville, NY

#9 Jun 14, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
If the child-raping genocidal "god" actually exists, why doesn't it deal with "blasphemers" itself?
How is it that a mythical "god" can "create the universe" but it can't muster the power to personally punish one person?
You make a good point here that should be emphasized and internalized by all who are for blasphemy laws. It's a pretty puny and weak 'god' that needs the protection of pitiful mankind. And a puny and weak god is really no god at all.
Timesten is Gay

Lowville, NY

#10 Jun 14, 2012
KittenKadaverface wrote:
Two white bigots complaining about the law of a non white nation.
Sounds racist doesn't it?
That's because you atheists are genocidal racists.
ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. Anyone...white, black, brown, yellow, pink, peach...can be deceived and deluded by the pedo-cult. Depising islam IS NOT RACIST!!!!

From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

So the muslims in Egypt who treat the Coptic christians so terribly are bigots. Boko haram are bigots. Muslim governments with blasphemy laws are acting with bigotry toward other religious groups.

People are getting very tired of being referred to as racists and bigots simply for speaking the TRUTH about an intolerant cult. I have nothing against muslims. I pity them, actually, because they've been deluded by the most evil and vicious cult on the planet today. Perhaps if you would learn a bit of something about islam and the world, Miss Kitty, instead of just knee-jerk reacting with your silly political correctness, you would be less likely to make inaccurate and ignorant statements like the one you've made here.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#11 Jun 14, 2012
KittenKadaverface wrote:
Two white bigots complaining about the law of a non white nation.
Sounds racist doesn't it?
That's because you atheists are genocidal racists.
Wrong again, religitard. You're the one who believes "god made the waters to separate the races". You're the one who sees non-whites as "mud people".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virgin...

The christian view on "interracial marriage", voiced by the judge in the Loving v Virginia case, 1963:

>>> Almighty god created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red,
>>> and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the
>>> interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such
>>> marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did
>>> not intend for the races to mix.

Atheists admit that all humans are Africans, that humans are all of one race. One cannot be a racist when one sees all humans as being the same.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#12 Jun 14, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again, religitard. You're the one who believes "god made the waters to separate the races". You're the one who sees non-whites as "mud people".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virgin...
The christian view on "interracial marriage", voiced by the judge in the Loving v Virginia case, 1963:
>>> Almighty god created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red,
>>> and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the
>>> interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such
>>> marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did
>>> not intend for the races to mix.
Atheists admit that all humans are Africans, that humans are all of one race. One cannot be a racist when one sees all humans as being the same.
Years ago, on All in the Family, Archie Bunker gave almost the exact same reason as the judge for separation of the race. Sammy Davis Jr., playing himself, replied that god must have told white folks where the blacks were, because someone came and got them.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#13 Jun 14, 2012
KittenKadaverface wrote:
Two white bigots complaining about the law of a non white nation.
Sounds racist doesn't it?
That's because you atheists are genocidal racists.
Some things are just wrong, no matter who does it. Putting people in jail, or even beheading them for 'insulting' a non-existent being is definitely in that category, whether it is the catholic (white) Inquisition or muslims ( who come in a variety of colors).

Blasphemy laws are not unique to islam. Here in Massachusetts, General Laws, chapter 272 Section 36. provides:

Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.

That's still on the books, and has never been struck down as unconstitutional. While it is not as extreme as the law in Indonesia, it is no better, and is equally condemned by everything I said in my post above.

By the way, people who make statements in the form "all (fill in group of people) are (fill in derogatory term) are well within the category "bigot". Like the old saying, when you point a finger at someone else, three point back at you.

I've never met either you or P. Smith. I have no idea what race either of you are, not that I care. Your assumption as to our race, offered without proof, is a classic example of 'thinking like a godbot.'

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