Why Do Atheists Vote Democrat?

Why Do Atheists Vote Democrat?

There are 57 comments on the Daily Kos story from Aug 13, 2012, titled Why Do Atheists Vote Democrat?. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#22 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
Proverbs 22:6 "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

Biblical Wisdom and prayer teaches us these foundational truths.
Was that an example of your biblical wisdom? How could we ever expect to get along without it, huh? Where would we be without such sage advice. That's right up there with "Honor your parents." Every mammal knows these things about being a parent and a child.

With regard to mankind, the trick for the parent is HOW to raise the children. The little advice in your bible on this matter is wrong-headed - things like, "Spare the rod and spoil the child" from Prov 13-24.

Here's more biblical wisdom on child rearing :

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death." - Deut 21:18-21

Secular humanism is radically different. We don't advocate beating or stoning children for starters.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#23 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Was that an example of your biblical wisdom? How could we ever expect to get along without it, huh? Where would we be without such sage advice. That's right up there with "Honor your parents." Every mammal knows these things about being a parent and a child.
With regard to mankind, the trick for the parent is HOW to raise the children. The little advice in your bible on this matter is wrong-headed - things like, "Spare the rod and spoil the child" from Prov 13-24.
Here's more biblical wisdom on child rearing :
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death." - Deut 21:18-21
Secular humanism is radically different. We don't advocate beating or stoning children for starters.
I'm sure a son would have to be quite advanced in age to be "a profligate and a drunkard." I assume you know what "profligate" means.

We do know, though, that you arrogant, jealous jackasses would like the current results of atheist inspired widespread profligation to continue as a promise for mankind.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#24 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Was that an example of your biblical wisdom? How could we ever expect to get along without it, huh? Where would we be without such sage advice. That's right up there with "Honor your parents." Every mammal knows these things about being a parent and a child.
With regard to mankind, the trick for the parent is HOW to raise the children. The little advice in your bible on this matter is wrong-headed - things like, "Spare the rod and spoil the child" from Prov 13-24.
Here's more biblical wisdom on child rearing :
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death." - Deut 21:18-21
Secular humanism is radically different. We don't advocate beating or stoning children for starters.
Why would any parent listen to advise from someone who drowned all his children?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#25 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
You're an ass. Christians have no fear and teach no fear.
I just called you intellectually, morally and psychologically blighted. and you called me an ass. Nice rebuttal.

As for fear, your whole religion is about fear - fear of judgmnent and fear of damnation. All you have is your "stick" - an angry, judgmental god, his demonic lieutenant, and hellfire. Your "carrot" - heaven - sucks:

"Heaven, as conventionally described, is a place so inane, so dull, so useless, so miserable, that nobody has ever ventured to describe a whole day in heaven, though plenty of people have described a day at the seaside." - George Bernard Shaw

Are you sure that if you get into heaven, you can get out again if you choose to? A third of the angels allegedly wanted out after seeing the place, and they knew your god intimately. How do you account for that? Is your god as bad at making the angels he desired as was when he made sinful man?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#26 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
We do know, though, that you arrogant, jealous jackasses would like the current results of atheist inspired widespread profligation to continue as a promise for mankind.
What?

If you mean that we would like for our secular humanistic vision for the world to replace ideologies of division, oppression, self-loathing and despair, you are correct.

If you mean that many of us are anxious to see your church debilitated and relegated to irrelevance, you are correct. Your grandchildren will thank us.

Why? Just look at you - a willing vector for every idiotic and hateful anti-atheistic meme your church has concocted. You've been programmed to damage atheists. You incessantly publish hate speech directed at us, depicting us as reprobates, miscreants, the cause of death, drug abuse, and autism, and as the enemy of all that is good and wholesome.

Nobody has the right to do that to others. You put your claim of moral superiority, or of even respecting the Golden Rule to the lie by so doing - unless that is the treatment you would like in return? Is it?

Unbelievers have a right to consider your church our enemy for attacking us for so many centuries. And we have the moral right to oppose it, and to weaken its influence as much and as quickly as possible.

I'm proud to be anti-theistic. It's the right thing to do.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#27 Aug 14, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
Why would any parent listen to advise from someone who drowned all his children?
Good one! I forgot that.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#28 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
Christians have no fear and teach no fear.
RELIGION IS FEAR AND SLAVERY Robert Green Ingersoll

"What, after all, is religion? It is fear. Fear builds the altar and offers the sacrifice. Fear erects the cathedral and bows the head of man in worship. Fear bends the knees and utters the prayer. Fear pretends to love.

"Religion teaches the slave-virtues -- obedience, humility, self-denial, forgiveness, non-resistance. Religion does not teach self-reliance, independence, manliness, courage, self-defence. Religion makes God a master and man his serf. The master cannot be great enough to make slavery sweet.

"Lips, religious and fearful, tremblingly repeat this passage: "Though he slay me, yet will I trust him." This is the abyss of degradation."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#29 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
Later on... Atheism and similarly unsettled variants encourage use of drugs
You're such a caricature of yourself.
Bringmedinner wrote:
Later in life, the introduction of drugs leads to stagnation of intellectual and emotional growth
Actually, this is what I just said about you - infantilized. You're hooked on Jesus.
Bringmedinner wrote:
"us vs. them" self-validations common to drug and sex subcultures.
More empty prattle from a myrmidon for Jesus. Think for a moment. Do pot smokers have an us vs. them attitude? No. Do BDSM clubs have an us vs. them attitude? No. In both cases, no, except when judgmental prudes are oppressing them for their "vices"

But how about you? Your church is at war with gays, atheists, science, women, and human nature.

So how insight-free is this comment.
Bringmedinner wrote:
However, the chemical confusions learned in young childhood are the most debilitating and irreversible
Where do you suppose the god need comes from in people that have one? Is it genetic, acquired via a Christian upbringing, or both? It seems to be hard wired in the neural circuitry, and refractory to any mitigating intervention.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#30 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
Nonetheless, with all these variables, comes the answer from the Christian God. The solidity, constancy and creativity of those teaching such traditions are historically represented and undeniable.
You're a riot. You don't realize that constancy and creativity are contradictory ideas, do you? You remind me of a water tower in a town called Arnold, MO that has the town motto painted on it: "Tradition and Progress" Yeah, sure. Pick one.

As for constancy, your church is as plastic as a cellophane bag. Did you realize that we, the secularists, are reshaping your dogma for you? If you reject slavery, thank secularists. Sure, some Christians were abolitionists. But they learned that value from secular humanists, not your bible.

Likewise, I often hear how Christians wouldn't burn anybody at the stake today - in the US, anyway. I doubt it. But if so, it's because we made it illegal, and you have learned right and wrong from us. Your bible says not to suffer witches.

Or maybe you'd like to tell me that that was the old law. So much for constancy. Your new god, Jesus, compared to your old god Jehovah, is more of a liberal and a humanist.

Your bible was never meant to be reinterpreted, just obeyed concretely. If not for outside influences civilizing you, you'd still be stoning your disobedient children to death.

Reason, skepticism and compassion have been eroding away at your angry, judgmental god for millennia, and reshaping your religion.

Are you aware of the tendency in Christianity to jettison hell theology and to distance yourselves from your bible. You can thank us for both of those as well. Science has made much of your bible an embarrassment and a liability, and now you have to make excuses for it - just an allegory, unbelievers aren't qualified to interpret it, etc..

As people embrace our world more and more, your religion is disappearing.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#31 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
in that lesser state, you just cower and tremble through a lifetime, chatter to the ceiling fan for forgiveness for being human, and live passively and defensively in the hope of avoiding hell - a very selfish mindset.

Your psyche remains permanently in deference to some angry, imaginary father watching and judging your every thought, and you devote your life to the future of some imagined soul.

That's just not a good enough life. We can live more fully than that. Without so much fear and self-centeredness, we can be more, do more, connect better, and share better.
“Human love is generous and noble. The love of God is selfish, because man does not love God for God's sake, but for his own.”- Robert G. Ingersoll
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#32 Aug 14, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Being atheist says nothing about your politics. Nice try.
I agree with you on this one. I just registered my opposition to you in general, but I reserved my right to agree with some comment of yours from time to time.

I must say that I wish you would correct your errors - particularly your false accusations, and your fondness for obscenity. It reflects badly upon you - and some people try to link other atheists with you. I think that a rational mind is a wonderful thing, and you come closer than people with horrible superstitions. Yet you discredit your beliefs with your attitudes and way of expressing yourself.

I realize that being an atheist says nothing about whether someone is civil, decent, honest, or honorable. But it would be nice of persons who are openly atheist would be better persons than those who are openly superstitious. If you are young, or even if you have the glimmerings of an open mind, you might consider what a bad impression you make, and how you hurt the cause you seem to want to defend. Of course, if you are a fundie trying to discredit atheism, by being a nasty and dishonorable person, you are doing a fair job of it.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#33 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
“Human love is generous and noble. The love of God is selfish, because man does not love God for God's sake, but for his own.”- Robert G. Ingersoll
wonderful quote, from a brilliant man. People openly admit that they worship God in order to go to heaven and avoid going to hell. Love of others can be manifested in political policies. Selfishness can also be manifested in political policies.

The Romney and Ryan attitudes toward taxes could result in policies that drastically lower their own taxes, and those of the very rich persons and corporations that contribute to their campaigns. That is what the GOP is all about. except for those who are worse - and want to get the US into war with Iran, and maybe Russia, because they think it is part of God's plan - see scenarios based on book of revelations in rightwing Christian GOP thinking.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#34 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a riot. You don't realize that constancy and creativity are contradictory ideas, do you? You remind me of a water tower in a town called Arnold, MO that has the town motto painted on it: "Tradition and Progress" Yeah, sure. Pick one.
As for constancy, your church is as plastic as a cellophane bag. Did you realize that we, the secularists, are reshaping your dogma for you? If you reject slavery, thank secularists. Sure, some Christians were abolitionists. But they learned that value from secular humanists, not your bible.
Likewise, I often hear how Christians wouldn't burn anybody at the stake today - in the US, anyway. I doubt it. But if so, it's because we made it illegal, and you have learned right and wrong from us. Your bible says not to suffer witches.
Or maybe you'd like to tell me that that was the old law. So much for constancy. Your new god, Jesus, compared to your old god Jehovah, is more of a liberal and a humanist.
Your bible was never meant to be reinterpreted, just obeyed concretely. If not for outside influences civilizing you, you'd still be stoning your disobedient children to death.
Reason, skepticism and compassion have been eroding away at your angry, judgmental god for millennia, and reshaping your religion.
Are you aware of the tendency in Christianity to jettison hell theology and to distance yourselves from your bible. You can thank us for both of those as well. Science has made much of your bible an embarrassment and a liability, and now you have to make excuses for it - just an allegory, unbelievers aren't qualified to interpret it, etc..
As people embrace our world more and more, your religion is disappearing.
thank you for a wonderful comment. nice balance in recognizing that some folks who call themselves christians are not like the evil reactionaries full of malice and superstition who are overrepresented on topix.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#35 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You're such a caricature of yourself.
<quoted text>
Actually, this is what I just said about you - infantilized. You're hooked on Jesus.
<quoted text>
More empty prattle from a myrmidon for Jesus. Think for a moment. Do pot smokers have an us vs. them attitude? No. Do BDSM clubs have an us vs. them attitude? No. In both cases, no, except when judgmental prudes are oppressing them for their "vices"
But how about you? Your church is at war with gays, atheists, science, women, and human nature.
So how insight-free is this comment.
<quoted text>
Where do you suppose the god need comes from in people that have one? Is it genetic, acquired via a Christian upbringing, or both? It seems to be hard wired in the neural circuitry, and refractory to any mitigating intervention.
that too was to bmd. but as to the last paragraph. I do not think it is genetic or hardwired.

I do think it comes from having a need for a mother to protect the infant, and the wish to be protected forever, and saved from danger, and not to lose the sense of comfort and safety and foreverness that comes with good mothering - or perhaps to get it if it has been lacking from mother. I think this accounts for some of the androgynous aspects of Jesus, who is more like the loving mother, than like the demanding father figure of the Yahwen type God. It is better expressed in demeter than any other goddess. Hera is just a whore to Zeus.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#36 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
What?
If you mean that we would like for our secular humanistic vision for the world to replace ideologies of division, oppression, self-loathing and despair, you are correct.
If you mean that many of us are anxious to see your church debilitated and relegated to irrelevance, you are correct. Your grandchildren will thank us.
Why? Just look at you - a willing vector for every idiotic and hateful anti-atheistic meme your church has concocted. You've been programmed to damage atheists. You incessantly publish hate speech directed at us, depicting us as reprobates, miscreants, the cause of death, drug abuse, and autism, and as the enemy of all that is good and wholesome.
Nobody has the right to do that to others. You put your claim of moral superiority, or of even respecting the Golden Rule to the lie by so doing - unless that is the treatment you would like in return? Is it?
Unbelievers have a right to consider your church our enemy for attacking us for so many centuries. And we have the moral right to oppose it, and to weaken its influence as much and as quickly as possible.
I'm proud to be anti-theistic. It's the right thing to do.
again to bmd. I do not dare reply to him, he disgusts me so that I would feel defiled conversing with him, I fear! I mostly agree with you. and thank you for being able to reply to him, in a way that uses his horrid views as a taking off point for expressing very useful views. I particularly agree that we have the moral right to oppose much of religion and to weaken its influence as much and as quickly as possible. I do think that one compromise that is temporarily acceptable is to be somewhat friendly to the believers who are not vicious and evil, but merely brainwashed and ignorant without much consequence. Part of the problem is that if they vote, that may be one of the horrid consequences - they may vote for the vicious versions, as in the Palin, BAchmann, Santorum Bus types, or for the iffy versions, such as the Romney Ryan types, who may be frontmen for the vicious types - neocons and warmongers, and the success theology folks who think that the poor deserve to suffer, because God is not pleased with them.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#37 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
RELIGION IS FEAR AND SLAVERY Robert Green Ingersoll
"What, after all, is religion? It is fear. Fear builds the altar and offers the sacrifice. Fear erects the cathedral and bows the head of man in worship. Fear bends the knees and utters the prayer. Fear pretends to love.
"Religion teaches the slave-virtues -- obedience, humility, self-denial, forgiveness, non-resistance. Religion does not teach self-reliance, independence, manliness, courage, self-defence. Religion makes God a master and man his serf. The master cannot be great enough to make slavery sweet.
"Lips, religious and fearful, tremblingly repeat this passage: "Though he slay me, yet will I trust him." This is the abyss of degradation."
bravo again. this is one of the best series of original comments by you and quotes that I have seen on topix. I really appreciate seeing such good sense expressed so well.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#38 Aug 14, 2012
not all atheists can be presumed to be secular humanists, or to have good moral or political beliefs, however. Atheism has nothing else in its definition except not believing that there is a god, God, gods, or Gods. Beyond that, there can be great differences among the persons who call themselves atheists - differences in substance and style - differences of opinion that could make one atheist even more opposed to another atheist on some other matter (politics for example) than to someone of faith with whom the secular humanist is in harmony on many issues (liberation theology, for example). so i certainly state that I am more opposed to an atheist who is for Romney and Ryan than to a Christian who is for Obama and Biden.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#39 Aug 14, 2012
madscot wrote:
<quoted text>
Because it's the lesser of evils.
sometimes that is true, as when lbj was opposed by Goldwater. Sometimes there are very decent Democrats, in their intentions, who have enough power and influence that one is actually voting for something good - but perhaps fated to be ineffectual for various reasons, such as GOP opposition, corporate and banking and shyster opposition, and the lukewarm support or outright opposition of inferior type Democrats, such as Ben Nelson of Nebraska. I had more admiration for Chuck Hagel the Republican conservative, because of his brilliant reservations about the wars, and how much it cost him to go against the GOP warmongering mainstream.

And in the past, there were fine Republicans - Bob Ray of Iowa being one of them, along with the great John Lindsay, and the excellent group with whom he was associated (Sil Conte, Brad Morse, Stan Tupper, Mathias, Reid of NYork). Fred Schwengel and Jim Leach of Iowa were also in the best tradition of a Lincolnesque gOP. And there were horrible Southern Democrats, for historical reasons - even up to the mid-60's, when decent Republicans gave enough support to Civil Roights and Voting Rights bills. but that waws 50 years ago, and Ray has been out of office for may years. The last decent ones to go have been Leach, Hagel, and now Lugar and Snowe. Only Collins of Maine is left, and she is a pal of Joe Lieberman, so she is not really excellent.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#40 Aug 14, 2012
freethinker1957 wrote:
why do atheist vote Democrat. atheist you think would be libertarian. or at lest Republican. the last thing I would think would be democrat
A selfish or stupid atheist will support Republicans. a secular humanist atheist will support democrats, with reservations, and mostly to prevent the horrid rightwing Republicans from being in power. a smart atheist will hold civil libertarian views, not not economic libertarian views. I still like some libertarians better than the conventional type of rightwing GOP lackey for the big corporate interests. Ron Paul, for example, has a very mixed bag of views. So does Jeff Flake of Arizona, who wants to be a Senator, and will flip flop a bit, but at least is not a hater or a panderer to the worst of the haters.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#41 Aug 14, 2012
The Arizona race is interesting, and the vote is Aug 28, I think. worth looking up Jeff Flake and Arizona politics. He is closest to being libertarian, and thus on the outs with the GOP that is in bed with the corporate crooks.

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