Why Do Atheists Vote Democrat?

Aug 13, 2012 Full story: Daily Kos 57

I was asked this question the other day, and I found it a bit difficult to answer.

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#1 Aug 13, 2012
why do atheist vote Democrat. atheist you think would be libertarian. or at lest Republican. the last thing I would think would be democrat
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#2 Aug 13, 2012
Many atheists will vote for Democrats because the foundation of atheist thought leads to Communism and the Democrat Party has been controlled by Communists for forty years.

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#3 Aug 13, 2012
freethinker1957 wrote:
why do atheist vote Democrat. atheist you think would be libertarian. or at lest Republican. the last thing I would think would be democrat
Being atheist says nothing about your politics. Nice try.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#4 Aug 13, 2012
freethinker1957 wrote:
why do atheist vote Democrat. atheist you think would be libertarian. or at lest Republican. the last thing I would think would be democrat
Because it's the lesser of evils.

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#5 Aug 13, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
Many atheists will vote for Democrats because the foundation of atheist thought leads to Communism and the Democrat Party has been controlled by Communists for forty years.
Rubbish, atheism has nothing to do with Communism. In fact religion is more like communism than anything else - its tells you what to do, what to fear and what people to follow.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#6 Aug 13, 2012
There are many paths to atheism, and each one of them can be consistent with a wide range of political views. Why would anyone think that atheism is predictive in that regard?

Nevertheless, statistics do link atheism and leanings towards the Democratic Party. One can only speculate about causative factors, though: one of the fundamental principles of statistics is that correlation does not equal causation. I see the possibility of parallel process, though in that the same kind of skeptical reevaluation of one's beliefs that can lead to atheism can also bring about other changes.

It's also possible that liberals are more likely to become atheists in the course of their lives than conservatives are, especially given the increasing role religion has come to play in Republican ideology and the stands Democrats have been taking on such issues as abortion, gay marriage, and the teaching of evolution as opposed to creationism in public schools. These stances may not necessarily attract atheists, but they certainly do repel many if not most deeply religious people. And that may indicate at lest one of the causes: the Democratic party tends to support a more secular style of governance that the Republicans do.

I don't know whether anyone has done a study on links between changes in religious and political outlooks. Such a study would answer at least some of the questions about the links between religiosity and party affiliation.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#7 Aug 13, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Rubbish, atheism has nothing to do with Communism. In fact religion is more like communism than anything else - its tells you what to do, what to fear and what people to follow.
Crap. Communist tyranny exists because of atheist thought, which says there is no higher power, or influence in mankind's life, than mankind themselves. This has led to the most horrific crimes against humanity in the last one hundred years in the name of Communist atheism... far outnumbering all crimes against humanity in all preceding human history.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#8 Aug 13, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
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Crap. Communist tyranny exists because of atheist thought, which says there is no higher power, or influence in mankind's life, than mankind themselves. This has led to the most horrific crimes against humanity in the last one hundred years in the name of Communist atheism... far outnumbering all crimes against humanity in all preceding human history.
Your God killed every person on the planet except 8. I guess using your fu&ked up logic, God is a communist. You're a real piece of work. And not in a good way, idiot.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#9 Aug 13, 2012
madscot wrote:
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Your God killed every person on the planet except 8. I guess using your fu&ked up logic, God is a communist. You're a real piece of work. And not in a good way, idiot.
Children raised without a belief in anything other than themselves is the prime reason for the increase of autism. Aimlessness is not pretty; nothing sadder than watching the results of atheist, constantly changing variability on the mind of a young child. The Democrat encouraged move to atheism's falsehoods and lack of character is also responsible for increased illegal drug use, dependence on other psychoactive drugs (everybody is suddenly depressed in the the atheist world), reliance on drugs for big stiffies, killing 57 Million human beings in the US for convenience and many forms of sexual deviance and depravity. Atheism hate the concept of God because God encourages strong, self-reliant individuals, who oppose the man-made, expansive bureaucracies responsible for the above mentioned deteriorations.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#10 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
Children raised without a belief in anything other than themselves is the prime reason for the increase of autism.
So christians don't have kids with autism?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#11 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
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Children raised without a belief in anything other than themselves is the prime reason for the increase of autism. Aimlessness is not pretty; nothing sadder than watching the results of atheist, constantly changing variability on the mind of a young child. The Democrat encouraged move to atheism's falsehoods and lack of character is also responsible for increased illegal drug use, dependence on other psychoactive drugs (everybody is suddenly depressed in the the atheist world), reliance on drugs for big stiffies, killing 57 Million human beings in the US for convenience and many forms of sexual deviance and depravity. Atheism hate the concept of God because God encourages strong, self-reliant individuals, who oppose the man-made, expansive bureaucracies responsible for the above mentioned deteriorations.
I really don't want to hurt your feelings, but, unless this is a bit of satire, it may be one of the more ludicrous posts I've seen in a while. Autism is a medical condition with social implications, but it is not caused by social settings in which children are being reared. Frankly, your assertion is nearly as ridiculous as Robertson's concerning the causes of the Haiti earthquake and the Sikh shooting. If it is satire, you need a bit more practice writing in that genre.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#12 Aug 14, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
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I really don't want to hurt your feelings, but, unless this is a bit of satire, it may be one of the more ludicrous posts I've seen in a while. Autism is a medical condition with social implications, but it is not caused by social settings in which children are being reared. Frankly, your assertion is nearly as ridiculous as Robertson's concerning the causes of the Haiti earthquake and the Sikh shooting. If it is satire, you need a bit more practice writing in that genre.
Poe? Sure seems like it.

Actually I have met a few people with Aspberger syndrome and found them to be quite simply geniuses.

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Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#13 Aug 14, 2012
The post on an autism/atheist connection sparked my curiosity, and in the resulting preliminary search, I found several articles that referenced research by Catherine Caldwell-Harris and Patrick MacNamara that indicate a link between such high functioning forms of autism as Asperger's and atheism. But the articles did not implicate atheism as a cause of autism, but an increased likelihood that high-functioning autistic folks would become atheists. I think it's likely that Bringmedinner came across similar articles and misinterpreted them according to his own biases.

All that helps to explain his ludicrous assertions. It does not make them less absurd.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#14 Aug 14, 2012
madscot wrote:
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Poe? Sure seems like it.
Actually I have met a few people with Aspberger syndrome and found them to be quite simply geniuses.
I've met three people who had been diagnosed, one a brilliant violinist, one a very perceptive youth, and one a successful businessman. They've all worked very hard to develop social skills that did not come naturally to them. One of the articles I read describes sutism as a language barrier:

"Other elements that go along with this language barrier often include hypersensitivity in one or more of the 5 physical senses (now you know why your Aspie coworker really can't stand the florescent lights or particular source of white noise in the office). Autistics tend to hone in on details of an otherwise larger picture, commonly manifesting into our "specialized interests;" self-taught experts on anything from sports stats to music or film trivia, to planes, trains, or a gem collection. Some are savant-level skilled at their area of interest (and in the workplace this can be a superpower advantage when that singular task needs tons of attention). Many Autistics are high-IQ and are often overly logical and objective in conversation. We are Spock or Data to your Captain Kirk or Picard. We are the kids who got beat up on the playground for trying to intellectualize our way out of a fight at the swing set.

"Overall, Autism is a marked difference in how our brains take in and process information."

Further on, it says;

"And don't mistake our impairment in one way of communicating for a complete lack of ability to communicate. In fact, many an Autistic enters professions like mental health, sociology, anthropology. The fact that human communication is more of a conscious effort for us than the NT can actually end up making us very, very good at reading human behavior. We're just seeing/reading/experiencing it from the opposite side of the auditorium so to speak!"

Another paper described on aspect of autism as a limited ability to think teleologically and goes on to state:

"When people see an event as divine intervention, or a result of intelligent design, they’re just letting their teleological bias run amok. They’re attributing purpose where there is none."

Are autistic people incapable of "magical thinking"? If so, does that simply make them less vulnerable to religious indoctrination?

I don't know. Perhaps a few more articles will make it clear.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#16 Aug 14, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
The post on an autism/atheist connection sparked my curiosity, and in the resulting preliminary search, I found several articles that referenced research by Catherine Caldwell-Harris and Patrick MacNamara that indicate a link between such high functioning forms of autism as Asperger's and atheism. But the articles did not implicate atheism as a cause of autism, but an increased likelihood that high-functioning autistic folks would become atheists. I think it's likely that Bringmedinner came across similar articles and misinterpreted them according to his own biases.
All that helps to explain his ludicrous assertions. It does not make them less absurd.
It's comforting to know some scientific method has asserted linkage, whereas all it took on this end was some of what you fellows call magical thinking applied to pragmatic observation. Comfort yourself with claims of "ludicrous", "absurd" and assumed backwards application, but know the assertion. The formative, simple minds of children will go haywire without the assuredness of power greater than their own family and self. This is true with children to approximately seven years of age. You increase the likelihood of autism and other significant malfunction without giving a child something to affirm their "magical thinking." They can not comprehend the circular, meaningless complexity of a belief in "nothing" and become terminally confused by it. Atheism destroys humanity. You and your atheist friends will destroy your own progeny. The result of such influence is seen in the increased depression, deviance and drug use mentioned above.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#17 Aug 14, 2012
Proverbs 22:6

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

Biblical Wisdom and prayer teaches us these foundational truths.

Yes, children before the age of developing the psychological concept of "conservation" require the wisdom of belief in something more powerful than themselves. This eradicates atheism as an option.

Still, great care must be taken. We can see the solidity of children raised in beliefs other than Christianity. However, Christianity is based in the concept of "agape" love and a loving God. The vicious solidity we see from children raised in Islam, e.g., is based in a hateful and vengeful god. The peculiarities of the multi-god religions create masses of people historically incapable of creation themselves. Overall, the Christian God is the best choice for direction, as He teaches Love, Compassion, Purpose, Redemption (for inevitable error), Creativity and a Promise through the Darkness of life and the fear of death.

It's chemical. The interactive, integral chemical learning between brain function and endocrine system in the first seven years of life are linked to genetic disposition. If those chemical formations are not allowed to be settled in assuredness and creativity, they will malform and become dysfunctional in a myriad of ways. Atheism offers nothing settled, nothing promised, everything constantly confused. Atheism increased the chances of an autistic child.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#18 Aug 14, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
The formative, simple minds of children will go haywire without the assuredness of power greater than their own
You said a mouthful there.

That is the reason why it is so helpful for your church to maintain the faithful in a psychologically, intellectually and morally infantilized state - to keep them frightened, and feeling vulnerable and dependent. It is also good to keep them relatively uneducated, submissive, and obedient. These are all immature states, the opposite of the mind of an educated and self-actualized individual.

Without all of that fear - without feeling like a helpless child - we can live authentic lives.

But if you remain in that lesser state, you just cower and tremble through a lifetime, chatter to the ceiling fan for forgiveness for being human, and live passively and defensively in the hope of avoiding hell - a very selfish mindset.

Your psyche remains permanently in deference to some angry, imaginary father watching and judging your every thought, and you devote your life to the future of some imagined soul.

That's just not a good enough life. We can live more fully than that. Without so much fear and self-centeredness, we can be more, do more, connect better, and share better.

Don't take if from me. Take it from one of your own:

"The church doesn't like for people to grow up, because you can't control grown-ups. That's why we talk about being born again. When you're 'born again' you're still a child. People don't need to be born again, they need to grow up." - Bishop John Shelby Spong

And the reason for that is this:

"Religion is always in the control business and that's something people don't really understand. It's in the guilt-producing, control business.... and so they create this fiery place which has quite literally scared the hell out of a lot of people throughout christian history. And it's part of a control tactic" - Bishop John Shelby Spong
Bringmedinner wrote:
They can not comprehend the circular, meaningless complexity of a belief in "nothing" and become terminally confused by it.
You're projecting again. In your blighted state, you need firm boundaries and a stern enforcer. You think we all do, which is why freethinkers frighten you.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#19 Aug 14, 2012
freethinker1957 wrote:
why do atheist vote Democrat. atheist you think would be libertarian. or at lest Republican. the last thing I would think would be democrat
Actually I tend to be more of a fiscal conservative and normally voted GOP until the Religious Right got so much control of the party.

But I'm also a social liberal, so Democratic or Libertarian candidates do have some points I like.

The sad truth is that in today's environment I am voting against someone else more often than voting for a particular candidate.

I think it was Will Rogers who noted that in a 2 party system the worst party in always the one in power.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#20 Aug 14, 2012
Later on... Atheism and similarly unsettled variants encourage use of drugs to combat the emptiness and aloneness one suffers from such unfocused teaching. This leads atheists and similarly unsettled variants to encourage others to drugs to validate their own weaknesses. Later in life, the introduction of drugs leads to stagnation of intellectual and emotional growth, usually asserting itself in arrogance and jealousies toward anyone settled... the "us vs. them" self-validations common to drug and sex subcultures. The drug induced stagnancy also leads to chemical imbalances and new routing of neural pathways and frequencies. This can become just as permanent as the chemical imbalances in childhood from intentionally taught confusions, or confused observations. However, the chemical confusions learned in young childhood are the most debilitating and irreversible, such as autism. The increased use of drugs can also affect the reproductive systems of the parents, which could alter the actual genetic coding of the child.

Nonetheless, with all these variables, comes the answer from the Christian God. The solidity, constancy and creativity of those teaching such traditions are historically represented and undeniable. Conversely, in a society now having two generations of offspring encouraged to drugs and taught various degrees of inattention linked to chemical imbalances forced on them by variably atheist parents, we see the results all around us: More autism, more drug dependency, more perversion, more crime, settled acceptance of thievery. In short, more Commie Democrat voters.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#21 Aug 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You said a mouthful there.
That is the reason why it is so helpful for your church to maintain the faithful in a psychologically, intellectually and morally infantilized state - to keep them frightened, and feeling vulnerable and dependent. It is also good to keep them relatively uneducated, submissive, and obedient. These are all immature states, the opposite of the mind of an educated and self-actualized individual.
Without all of that fear - without feeling like a helpless child - we can live authentic lives.
But if you remain in that lesser state, you just cower and tremble through a lifetime, chatter to the ceiling fan for forgiveness for being human, and live passively and defensively in the hope of avoiding hell - a very selfish mindset.
Your psyche remains permanently in deference to some angry, imaginary father watching and judging your every thought, and you devote your life to the future of some imagined soul.
That's just not a good enough life. We can live more fully than that. Without so much fear and self-centeredness, we can be more, do more, connect better, and share better.
Don't take if from me. Take it from one of your own:
"The church doesn't like for people to grow up, because you can't control grown-ups. That's why we talk about being born again. When you're 'born again' you're still a child. People don't need to be born again, they need to grow up." - Bishop John Shelby Spong
And the reason for that is this:
"Religion is always in the control business and that's something people don't really understand. It's in the guilt-producing, control business.... and so they create this fiery place which has quite literally scared the hell out of a lot of people throughout christian history. And it's part of a control tactic" - Bishop John Shelby Spong
<quoted text>
You're projecting again. In your blighted state, you need firm boundaries and a stern enforcer. You think we all do, which is why freethinkers frighten you.
You're an ass. Christians have no fear and teach no fear.

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