Why isn't the world perfect?

Why isn't the world perfect?

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#1 Nov 20, 2011
You know how theists always respond with that lame excuse, "Because God wanted us to have freedom" and everything?

If their God really is all powerful and everything, then why, oh why, couldn't he allow the world to be perfect, but also have people be free? In fact, He could make everyone believe in him and STILL have faith. He didn't need to kill the world off with that big-ass flood either, could've just waved his hand and poof, no more sin. After all, God is supposed to be able to do the impossible.

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#2 Nov 20, 2011
It sounds more like you believe in the premise of the myth, either partially or entirely.

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#3 Nov 21, 2011
Why isn't the world perfect? because our consciousness is corrupt.

We can choose to rise above the corruption, or destroy ourselves.

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#4 Nov 21, 2011
No, I'm an Atheist.

Gramen Ferox, I have no idea what you're talking about, but if you're saying that we are all corrupt and that we have to be Christian to not be, by all means God should be able to make us all uncorrupt without being Christian.(in fact, if your God really is supposed to be all-powerful, then he could make the entire world uncorrupt and corrupt at the same time)

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#5 Nov 21, 2011
We probably each have definitions of perfection in this context and of the world, for that matter. Do we define the world by the actions of the people who live on it or do we realize that we are only one of the many species on this planet, only a small part of the larger whole? In the natural world, each species eats some other species and is food for others still. Perfection? Maybe not, but it is balance, something that we humans seem to lack to the extent that we risk throwing the whole thing off kilter.

Seen from that perspective, perhaps the world is perfect.

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#6 Nov 21, 2011
anomonyous wrote:
No, I'm an Atheist.
Gramen Ferox, I have no idea what you're talking about, but if you're saying that we are all corrupt and that we have to be Christian to not be, by all means God should be able to make us all uncorrupt without being Christian.(in fact, if your God really is supposed to be all-powerful, then he could make the entire world uncorrupt and corrupt at the same time)
Who said anything about being "Christian" ?

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#7 Nov 21, 2011
NightSerf wrote:
We probably each have definitions of perfection in this context and of the world, for that matter. Do we define the world by the actions of the people who live on it or do we realize that we are only one of the many species on this planet, only a small part of the larger whole? In the natural world, each species eats some other species and is food for others still. Perfection? Maybe not, but it is balance, something that we humans seem to lack to the extent that we risk throwing the whole thing off kilter.
Seen from that perspective, perhaps the world is perfect.
I'm talking about pain. Suffering. That sorta stuff.

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#8 Nov 21, 2011
anomonyous wrote:
<quoted text>I'm talking about pain. Suffering. That sorta stuff.
Who says pain and suffering aren't part of cycles of perfection? To begin a discussion of perfection, you first have to define it, which was really my point. Define the term "perfect world" and we can then ask why the world is otherwise. Otherwise, the only result will be useless floundering.

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#9 Nov 21, 2011
Pain and suffering are two of many ways we can become stronger.

I don't see it as a flaw.

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#10 Nov 22, 2011
I'm not talking about whether they are helpful; I'm more arguing that lame excuse.

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#11 Nov 22, 2011
This could be perfection.

Imperfection might be even worse.

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#12 Nov 22, 2011
Very Cynical Person wrote:
This could be perfection.
Imperfection might be even worse.
Good point.

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#13 Nov 23, 2011
pain and suffering is but a moment

and are of no consequence

when you take a long historical view

individuals can't matter as much as the
group interactions over time

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#14 Nov 23, 2011
Things are how you perceive them.

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#15 Nov 23, 2011
Gramen Ferox wrote:
Things are how you perceive them.
If that's true, why make any effort to perceive things as they are? Do delusions become reality?

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#16 Nov 23, 2011
NightSerf wrote:
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If that's true, why make any effort to perceive things as they are? Do delusions become reality?
In the limited minds of True Believers, they like to pretend so.

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#17 Nov 24, 2011
NightSerf wrote:
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If that's true, why make any effort to perceive things as they are? Do delusions become reality?
for those who have "faith", they certainly believe their delusions are real.

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#18 Nov 24, 2011
NightSerf wrote:
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If that's true, why make any effort to perceive things as they are? Do delusions become reality?
What I'm trying to say is: you have the answers.

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#19 Nov 24, 2011
NightSerf wrote:
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If that's true, why make any effort to perceive things as they are? Do delusions become reality?
I suspect Dave Nelson knows the answer to this.

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#20 Nov 24, 2011
I have no idea what this has to do with the topic.

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