Boy Scout 'Perversion Files' reveal s...

Boy Scout 'Perversion Files' reveal sexual abuse, cover up

There are 11 comments on the www.examiner.com story from Oct 18, 2012, titled Boy Scout 'Perversion Files' reveal sexual abuse, cover up. In it, www.examiner.com reports that:

The Boy Scouts of America have been forced to release the "Perversion Files," a disturbing catalog of child sexual abuse and cover-up committed by representatives of the Boy Scouts of America between 1965 and 1985. By order of the Oregon Supreme Court, the “Perversion Files” were made public on Thursday, October 18. The files consist of 14,500 pages detailing the alleged sexual abuse of children and the alleged cover-up of that abuse by representatives of the Boy Scouts of America.

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“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#1 Oct 18, 2012
According to the report -- "The Perversion Files contains reports of Scouts allegedly abused by more than 1,200 different Scoutmasters and other adult volunteers across the country.... And while the Boy Scouts were sometimes willing to look the other way when it came to child abuse in their midst, they have always openly discriminated against gays, atheists, freethinkers and agnostics."

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#2 Oct 18, 2012
This is an issue that simply will not go away. In today's Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/abuse-...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#3 Oct 19, 2012
Courtesy, NSS, United Kingdom...
Boy, 11, excluded from Scouts because he doesn't believe in God:
An 11-year old boy from Midsomer Norton, near Bath,[England] has been told he cannot join his local Scout troop because he does not believe in God and doesn't want to make the Scout Promise in its present form. This requires Scouts to "do their duty by God and the Queen".

George Pratt has been attending the troop that meets opposite his home for the past ten months and was then asked if he wanted to be "invested" into the group. But his strong atheistic views became apparent when Scout leaders were discussing the Promise. He was told, in view of his atheism, that he would not be able to join or continue attending meetings.

George's father, Nick, told the Western Mail: "As a family we neither promote nor dismiss any religion and hold no firm views on God in any form, and have always let our children make up their own mind as and when they feel they can make an informed choice. George had the guts to stand up and admit his view and I believe the Scouts are being narrow-minded when we are supposed to be tolerant."

Mr Pratt continued: "To be invested into the Scouts you have to believe in a God, it does not say which religion that God is from, so you can be Muslim or Buddhist, but if you have the courage to stand up and admit that you do not believe in any God, then look out because you are not welcome into the Scout community. This is regardless of the fact that you are sensitive, generous, kind and genuinely a good person."

Assistant director of media relations for the Scout Movement, Simon Carter, told the paper: "All young people are required to make the Scout Promise if they wish to become a Scout. Variations of the Scout Promise are available for different faiths (such as the use of 'Allah' to replace 'God' for Muslim Scouts), however all the variations of the Promise recognise the 'Duty to God' element. Young people are required to show both an understanding (relevant to their age) and an acceptance of the promise before they become a member.

"Young people will not be refused membership solely because of their parents' beliefs or non-beliefs, however they are required to make the promise as outlined above.

"Furthermore, Scouting accepts that as they grow into independent adults, some young people may question or doubt the existence of God as they develop their personal spiritual understanding. Scouting believes that young people going through this process should be able to remain a Scout."

Terry Sanderson, President of the National Secular Society, said: "The NSS has challenged the Scouting Association on several occasions over the exclusion of atheists, and have been rebuffed each time. Regrettably, they have managed to get themselves exempted from the Equality Act so there can be no legal challenge against this blatant religious discrimination.

"We hope that cases like George Pratt will cause the movement to rethink its rather hard-hearted policies and make room for the increasing number of young people who cannot, in good conscience, swear that they are believers."
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However, most scout groups in most areas are fairly easy-going. These problems seem to be exceptional.

There are various alternatives (UK), but one would hope that none of these groups would be discriminatory..
http://www.woodcraft.org.uk/history

There seem to have been comparatively few child abuse allegations over here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_sex_abu...

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#4 Oct 20, 2012
Do we still need the Boy Scouts?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/20/us/boy-scouts-f...

Religious ties

"Many critics who accuse the Scouts of failing to change with the times blame BSA's deep connections to organized religion. Approximately 70% of Scout troops are affiliated with some kind of church or religious group, says Smith.

Among the biggest backers are the Catholic church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, according to BSA. In 2011, Mormon-backed Cub Scout and Boy Scout units accounted for more than 420,000 of all Scouts nationwide, while more than 200,000 other scouts were members of units affiliated with the Catholic church.

Links with religious groups are "definitely part of our longstanding tradition," says Smith. "Our policies and procedures and everything that we are is definitely reflected by our membership and our charter organization partners."

Those affiliations over the years have resulted in a complicated political maze that's difficult to navigate when it comes to change, Stansbury suggests. "Oh yeah -- the Catholic and Mormon churches have a lot of influence on the Boy Scouts, especially the leadership of the Boy Scouts," he says. "I certainly believe that's a big part of why the Boy Scouts have stubbornly held onto this policy.

"It would be a much better organization, not having those people involved. But it's not going to go away immediately."

There's also dissent among leaders inside Scouting -- although many keep a low profile. One Scout leader, who asked to remain anonymous because he fears losing his position, posted comments on a private online message board for Eagle alums.
If the U.S. military can accept openly gay and lesbian troops, he asked, why can't the Boy Scouts of America? "Every day I question my personal integrity for choosing to stay involved with a discriminatory organization."

So -- does America still need the Boy Scouts? Is it still culturally relevant as it enters its second century of service? Will the BSA make it to 200 years?"
Chuckles

Wylie, TX

#5 Oct 20, 2012
In my neck of the woods, the Boy Scouts solicit donations outside of Wal-Mart. My daughter and I were approached by a guy in his 50s dressed up in those silly shorts pulled way way way high, the kerchief around his neck and the socks stretched up to his navel. Weirdo. I told my daughter in a loud voice, "Sweetie, we can't give them money because they discriminate against non-believers. They promote bigotry." The 50-year-old boy scout was completely stunned at my words and I was completely stunned at the fact that anyone in their 50s would choose to dress up like an eight-year-old.

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#6 Oct 20, 2012
It isn't a surprise that an openly pro religious group would have so much trouble with child abuse. Believers are far more likely to engage in criminal behavior because they can just God it away in their minds.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 Oct 22, 2012
This does not surprise me at all.
Amused

Princeton, MA

#8 Oct 23, 2012
Catholic Priests and Boy Scout Scoutmasters. Two groups of theists with above-average rates of pedophilia. Coincidence? I think not.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#9 Oct 25, 2012
religion is organised paedophillia
Amused

Maynard, MA

#10 Nov 15, 2012
Chuckles wrote:
In my neck of the woods, the Boy Scouts solicit donations outside of Wal-Mart. My daughter and I were approached by a guy in his 50s dressed up in those silly shorts pulled way way way high, the kerchief around his neck and the socks stretched up to his navel. Weirdo. I told my daughter in a loud voice, "Sweetie, we can't give them money because they discriminate against non-believers. They promote bigotry." The 50-year-old boy scout was completely stunned at my words and I was completely stunned at the fact that anyone in their 50s would choose to dress up like an eight-year-old.
The scary thing is that apparently there are enough adults going around dressed like that so that someone thought there was enough of a market to make the uniform in adult sizes.
Mr Smartypants

Saint Paul Park, MN

#11 Nov 15, 2012
So much for the merit badges in Happy Camping, Morning Wood, and Pitching a Tent ;)

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