“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#81 Dec 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"All people die"
Enoch never died.
That's because he wasn't a real person. He was make believe.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#82 Dec 16, 2012
Even Christian apologetics say you are full of sht.

http://smoodock45.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/is...

Ouch!
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"All people die"
Enoch never died.
KJV

United States

#83 Dec 16, 2012
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>Still no proof of a loving god.

Still no proof of any god.
Keep on looking!

LOL
KJV

United States

#84 Dec 16, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Historically inaccurate. Those were pagans in the stands, not atheists.
You talked to all of them?
Had them fill out a questioners did ya?
KJV

United States

#85 Dec 16, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>So if God is an immoral tyrant, we just have to put up with it. Gotcha.
Yup that is if he was, he's not but if he was you still would have to excepted it.
He owns everything he created. We are his to do with what he wishes. Thank God for him giving you the choice to defy him if you want to.

I believe this is the part you seem to have trouble with. After life. My studies show me that nowhere does anything say God created hell. It does state that men have souls. Souls never die. The after life there are only two options on spend the after life with God on heaven. The other is the only other place for your soul to spend eternity and that would be hell. No third choice. One or the other and a soul once created can never die.
KJV

United States

#86 Dec 16, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Proof of this 10% of atheists claim? Let me guess. Christian blog? Apologetic website?

Oh and btw Nero desperately sent in soldiers and workers to fight the fires set by Christians, he even opened areas of the palace for the people who lost their homes treating their injuries and giving them food and water. The first of the fires were set in some of his most cherished buildings no way would he have had those burnt down.

It is really only Christian apologetics who say Nero had the fires set. History shows otherwise.
"History has blamed Nero for the disaster, implying that he started the fire so that he could bypass the senate and rebuild Rome to his liking. Much of what is known about the great fire of Rome comes from the aristocrat and historian Tacitus, who claimed that Nero watched Rome burn while merrily playing his fiddle. Gangs of thugs prevented citizens from fighting the fire with threats of torture, Tacitus wrote. There is some support for the theory that Nero leveled the city on purpose: the Domus Aurea, Nero’s majestic series of villas and pavilions set upon a landscaped park and a man-made lake, was built in the wake of the fire. Certainly, it’s hard to know whether to trust the allegations in the writings of Tacitus."

http://truthinhistory.wordpress.com/2009/08/2...
KJV

United States

#87 Dec 16, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the people in the stands were Greeks who worshipped the Hellenistic religion.

As usual you are wrong half wit.
Oh so you were there and interviewed them all ?

"Concerning atheism and mass murder, Christian apologist Gregory Koukl wrote that "the assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them." Koukl details the number of people killed in various events involving theism and compares them to the much higher tens of millions of people killed under communist atheistic regimes. It has been estimated that in less than the past 100 years, governments under the banner of communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987. Richard Dawkins has attempted to engage in historical revisionism concerning atheist atrocities and Dawkins was shown to be in gross error (see also: Atheism and communism and Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union).

Koukl summarized by stating:
"It is true that it's possible that religion can produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail it produces evil because the individual people are actually living in a rejection of the tenets of Christianity and a rejection of the God that they are supposed to be following. So it can produce it, but the historical fact is that outright rejection of God and institutionalizing of atheism actually does produce evil on incredible levels. We're talking about tens of millions of people as a result of the rejection of God."
KJV

United States

#88 Dec 16, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>You don't think it's funny that he ended up in a corner for questioning your gods word? He was right to do so, but then being right has never been necessarily a part of Christainity, now has it.

Would it matter to you if you were penalized for doing something that you did not know there was a rule against doing? Like when your god makes you cook and eat your children, will it perturb you that there is law against it? Will you argue that your god's word, trumps that of our secular laws. It might be you in the corner next time.
Please produce your Proof that God commanded parents to eat their own children.
KJV

United States

#89 Dec 16, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Then it would be a good idea for you lot to shut up and crawl back under your rocks, and let's see how long it takes for him to show up and enforce his rules. LOL! Until then, we as a whole rule for the entire scope of mankind, and you can't force us all, to adhere to the limits of your tiny warped and deviant mindset.
We were never under a rock. It you that evolved from rocks. Not us.

Evolution: when you think of it you would have start at the very beginning with the primordial soup. Let's go back to the making of the soup. Rain falling on rocks for millions and millions of years washing the correct minerals and elements into a puddle to combine with the correct gases over millions of years. Then to make the fairy tail really good some thing some how created the spark of life and a speck of life came forth. Now this very primitive ( the most primitive life form ever ) lived long enough to mutate and mutate billions of times creating all forms of life ever to exist. Plants and animals adding more and more DNA along the way. Perfecting host and symbiont relationships. Fish and mammals swimming in the oceans some with gills others with blow holes then the birds in the sky and of course the birds that can't fly. Insects and ticks and worms.
Grass and trees and flowers. All from the speck of life that sprang to life with who knows how long of a life span.
Creating some as in algae to create oxygen that would be needed for the life forms that were to follow as it just kept mutating and adding DNA until the arrival of the great ape who figured it all out with no room for error and stood on his soap box and proclaimed this is how it happened no other explanation is possible.
KJV

United States

#90 Dec 16, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>That's because he wasn't a real person. He was make believe.
Wrong
KJV

United States

#91 Dec 16, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Even Christian apologetics say you are full of sht.

http://smoodock45.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/is...

Ouch!
I'm quoting the bible. If someone chooses not to believe in the bible that's there call. It's not on me you dolt!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#92 Dec 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup that is if he was, he's not but if he was you still would have to excepted it.
He owns everything he created. We are his to do with what he wishes. Thank God for him giving you the choice to defy him if you want to.
I believe this is the part you seem to have trouble with. After life. My studies show me that nowhere does anything say God created hell. It does state that men have souls. Souls never die. The after life there are only two options on spend the after life with God on heaven. The other is the only other place for your soul to spend eternity and that would be hell. No third choice. One or the other and a soul once created can never die.
Yes, I am quite aware of the tenets of your mythology. I grew up with it. And yes, I strongly deny the morality expressed in the Book of Job where God chastises Job for daring to question Him for killing off his family and torturing him for no good reason.

If hell is the absence of God, then it is far better than the presence of such an evil being.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#93 Dec 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Please produce your Proof that God commanded parents to eat their own children.
I didn't say he did. I said he would. Why don't you know your own filthy book?

In Leviticus 26:29, he owns it.

Several places in the buybull he threatens to make other people, make you so desperate that you will eat your children, but in Leviticus, he flat out owns it.

Now there are several things in the bible like this, that your Ju-Ju man will not go out of his way to point out, because as long as you are paying tithes, he has no reason to.
But should the dollars begin to diminish, he will have to pull out the big guns. Of course he knows his audience, and will use what is most likely to work. Luckily there is much to choose from. Scare tactics is the most used, tool in his bag.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#94 Dec 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
We were never under a rock. It you that evolved from rocks. Not us.
Evolution: when you think of it you would have start at the very beginning with the primordial soup. Let's go back to the making of the soup. Rain falling on rocks for millions and millions of years washing the correct minerals and elements into a puddle to combine with the correct gases over millions of years. Then to make the fairy tail really good some thing some how created the spark of life and a speck of life came forth. Now this very primitive ( the most primitive life form ever ) lived long enough to mutate and mutate billions of times creating all forms of life ever to exist. Plants and animals adding more and more DNA along the way. Perfecting host and symbiont relationships. Fish and mammals swimming in the oceans some with gills others with blow holes then the birds in the sky and of course the birds that can't fly. Insects and ticks and worms.
Grass and trees and flowers. All from the speck of life that sprang to life with who knows how long of a life span.
Creating some as in algae to create oxygen that would be needed for the life forms that were to follow as it just kept mutating and adding DNA until the arrival of the great ape who figured it all out with no room for error and stood on his soap box and proclaimed this is how it happened no other explanation is possible.
Dust: powdered rock.

So how long until he show ups to enforce his rules?

LOL! Until then, we as a whole rule for the entire scope of mankind, and you can't force us all, to adhere to the limits of your tiny warped and deviant mindset. You lot can only choose for yourselves, not us.

And if your god were real he would need to stand trial for crimes against humanity.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#95 Dec 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong
Prove it. The buybull is not proof.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#96 Dec 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong
Maybe you could point him out? Or cough up a birth certificate?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#97 Dec 16, 2012
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm quoting the bible. If someone chooses not to believe in the bible that's there call. It's not on me you dolt!
Here you lost this (,) and picked the wrong one here >>> Fill in the blank with one of these letters __ or i, to correctly finish the word.
KJV

United States

#98 Dec 16, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I am quite aware of the tenets of your mythology. I grew up with it. And yes, I strongly deny the morality expressed in the Book of Job where God chastises Job for daring to question Him for killing off his family and torturing him for no good reason.

If hell is the absence of God, then it is far better than the presence of such an evil being.
It is also described as a lake of fire.
HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE

The man in Luke 16:24 cries: "...I am tormented in this FLAME."

In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,..."

Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE."

22 ... the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.(Luke 16:22-28)
KJV

United States

#99 Dec 16, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I am quite aware of the tenets of your mythology. I grew up with it. And yes, I strongly deny the morality expressed in the Book of Job where God chastises Job for daring to question Him for killing off his family and torturing him for no good reason.

If hell is the absence of God, then it is far better than the presence of such an evil being.
What you're about to read is hard to believe...

We're going to examine the place the Bible calls hell. We'll present documented evidence for a place called hell. Don't take what you're going to read lightly. If what you read is true — YOU COULD BE IN SERIOUS DANGER!

Several years ago a book was published, entitled Beyond Death's Door by Dr. Maurice Rawlings. Dr. Rawlings, a specialist in Internal Medicine and Cardiovascular Disease, resuscitated many people who had been clinically dead. Dr. Rawlings, a devout atheist, "considered all religion "hocus-pocus" and death nothing more than a painless extinction". But something happened in 1977 that brought a dramatic change in the life of Dr. Rawlings! He was resuscitating a man, terrified and screaming — descending down into the flames of hell:
"Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, "I am in hell!" He was terrified and pleaded with me to help him. I was scared to death... Then I noticed a genuinely alarmed look on his face. He had a terrified look worse than the expression seen in death! This patient had a grotesque grimace expressing sheer horror! His pupils were dilated, and he was perspiring and trembling — he looked as if his hair was "on end."
Then still another strange thing happened. He said,"Don't you understand? I am in hell... Don't let me go back to hell!" ...the man was serious, and it finally occurred to me that he was indeed in trouble. He was in a panic like I had never seen before."
(Maurice Rawlings, Beyond Death's Door,(Thomas Nelson Inc., 1979) p. 3).
Dr. Rawlings said, no one, who could have heard his screams and saw the look of terror on his face could doubt for a single minute that he was actually in a place called hell!

The Bible continually warns of a place called hell. There are over 162 references in the New Testament alone which warns of hell. And over 70 of these references were uttered by the Lord Jesus Christ!

In Luke 16, Jesus Christ gives a frightening picture of hell:
KJV

United States

#100 Dec 16, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
"YES! THERE IS A PLACE CALLED HELL!

In Numbers 16, the Bible gives the account of people falling into hell alive!
"And THE EARTH OPENED HER MOUTH, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive INTO THE PIT, and the EARTH CLOSED UPON THEM:" Numbers 16:32-33
Caspar Peucer, a famous fourteenth century astronomer and physician, who also researched and documented the volcanoe eruptions at Heklafell wrote some very frightening information in his research findings. Peucer, claims (as others) that "fearful howlings, weeping and gnashing of teeth" could be heard "for many miles..." as these volcanoes erupted:

"Out of the bottomless abyss of Heklafell, or rather out of Hell itself, rise melancholy cries and loud wailings, so that these can be heard for many miles around... there may be heard in the mountain fearful howlings, weeping and gnashing of teeth."
(Haraldur Sigurdsson, Melting the Earth, The History of Ideas on Volcanic Eruptions, p. 73)
And Caspar Peucer is not alone. There are others who believe they have heard "cries and screaming" coming from volcanoes. Most have tried to ignore the obvious. Some simply explain the "sounds of hell" to some rational meaning. But they are there...
"The fearsome noises that issued from some of their volcanoes were certainly thought to be the screams of tormented souls in the fires of hell below".
(Haraldur Sigurdsson, Melting the Earth, The History of Ideas on Volcanic Eruptions, p. 73)
Inside this earth, this very moment, there are millions of lost, tormented souls — burning, weeping, wailing — without any hope whatsoever!

In Mark 9:46, Jesus Christ says about hell: "Where THEIR WORM dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Jesus said explicitly — THEIR worm — not a worm, or the worm — but THEIR worm. The Bible teaches that Christians will one day have a body like the Lord Jesus Christ. Could it be, as some Bible students teach — that men and women in hell take on the form of their father, Satan (John 8:44)? In Revelation 12:3, Satan is described as a red dragon. Could Jesus Christ be referring to the body lost men and women will have for eternity?

The earth’s crust on land is normally 50 miles thick. You’d have to go down 50 miles before the edge of the fire. But in parts of the ocean floor, the earth’s crust is less than a mile thick.

Scientists recently discovered cracks on the ocean floor where fire was leaking out. Do you know what they found around these fire-breathing vents in the crust? Eight-foot long worms, found no other place in the world! The book, The Deep Sea, by Joseph Wallace (p.39), reads, "Perhaps the strangest of ocean creatures recently discovered are Riftia, the giant tube WORMS. Measuring up to 8 feet in length, the worms are ONLY FOUND NEAR DEEP SEA VENTS."

And Jesus Christ said, "Where THEIR WORM dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Have you read Isaiah 66 where the Lord Jesus Christ is quoting Mark 9:46?
Look at the context and time period of Isaiah 66:22-24:

Isaiah 66:22-24:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

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