How much faith it takes to believe in...
Thinking

Winsford, UK

#163 Aug 26, 2014
Irrational beliefs limit young minds.
NightSerf wrote:
The sad truth is that there's not much left to argue about. Some believe that opinions are the same as facts, others that facts should influence opinions. It's hard to bridge that gap. Might as well break out the puns and rhymes and party on down.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#164 Aug 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Irrational beliefs limit young minds.
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I think, oddly enough, that an occasional willing and temporary foray into irrationality is can actually spur a degree of creativity that would be hard to attain in any other way,. But it's like the temporary suspension of disbelief that allow us to enjoy fiction--useful when called for, but only when it can be ended at will.

Flights of fancy are fine things as long as you know how to land safely.
Thinking

Winsford, UK

#165 Aug 26, 2014
If anything it's the lack of imagination of many believers that is the problem.

Off the wall thinking is where new science comes from.

Feynman said you start with a guess.

But that's not an irrational belief, it's simply proposing a new idea which you can then go and test and peer review. If it doesn't work out, you discard it (this is what you describe as landing safely).

Irrational beliefs, however, are not to be questioned.(Yeah, right.)
NightSerf wrote:
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I think, oddly enough, that an occasional willing and temporary foray into irrationality is can actually spur a degree of creativity that would be hard to attain in any other way,. But it's like the temporary suspension of disbelief that allow us to enjoy fiction--useful when called for, but only when it can be ended at will.
Flights of fancy are fine things as long as you know how to land safely.
Patrick

United States

#166 Aug 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Irrational beliefs limit young minds.
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How?
Young minds go on the internet and can search for truth!
Best we all agree to enjoy each others company
Thinking

Winsford, UK

#167 Aug 26, 2014
That's one reason why three quarters of young adults in the UK have no religion.

Great news, Lincock!
Patrick wrote:
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Young minds go on the internet and can search for truth!
Patrick

United States

#168 Aug 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
That's one reason why three quarters of young adults in the UK have no religion.
Great news, Lincock!
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If this were valid You might show a bit more happiness in your complaints ?
LOL
Patrick

United States

#169 Aug 26, 2014
Difficult issue in the real world

The Pentagon warned on Tuesday that Islamic State (Isis) militants have global aspirations, ratcheting up already dire US rhetoric against the jihadist army that has overrun much of Iraq and Syria.

“Quite frankly, we’re not turning a blind eye to their global aspirations as well,” said Rear Admiral John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary.

Isis has not conducted attacks outside of Iraq – its gestation ground – and Syria, where its successes brought it global attention. Its own rhetoric imagines a global Islamic caliphate, obliterating man-made borders, but its capabilities – which include access to oil wealth – fall significantly short.

Yet Isis’s attraction of as many as thousands of western passport holders has convinced US intelligence that Isis fighters will plot attacks against the US and Europe.

“Much has been made about the threat they pose, and how imminent it is, and you don’t need to look any further than the recruitment of foreign fighters and the degree to which not just the United States government but many western governments are concerned about these foreign fighters leaving their shores, going over there, getting radicalized, trained, and then coming back and executing attacks, which is not out of the realm of the possible,” Kirby told reporters.

US warplanes continued to strike Isis targets on Tuesday. US Central Command said that its planes, supporting Kurdish and Iraqi forces, destroyed two Isis armed vehicles near the Iraqi Kurdish capital of Irbil and damaged a third.

America’s own effort to build an international coalition against Isis advanced on Tuesday as well, as Britain and six other nations agreed to provide the Kurdish peshmerga militia with small arms, ammunition and other supplies.

As Nato’s secretary general also indicated an openness of the transatlantic alliance to take military action against Isis, US defense secretary Chuck Hagel hailed the UK, France, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Italy and Albania for arming the Kurdish peshmerga, and said he expected other nations to contribute.

“The determination of the Iraqi people and the international community to counter the threat posed by [Isis] is only growing,” Hagel said on Tuesday.

Hagel, joined by General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who has long been skeptical of US intervention in Syria’s civil war, on Thursday described Isis in apocalyptic terms. The two Pentagon leaders called Isis an “imminent threat to every interest we have” and said defeating the group would likely require strikes into Syria.

Yet neither has endorsed taking such action, and Dempsey has since drawn a line short of saying Isis threatens the US homeland, a step he considers necessary for expanding what has thus far been a limited, if inchoate, war.
Thinking

UK

#170 Aug 27, 2014
It is valid, Lincock.

Prove this study is flawed, Lincock.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/06/24/british-y...
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>
If this were valid You might show a bit more happiness in your complaints ?
LOL
Patrick

United States

#171 Aug 27, 2014
Thinking wrote:
It is valid, Lincock.
Prove this study is flawed, Lincock.
http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/06/24/british-y...
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Evolution, Science, Belief Faith... whatever concerns you... read with interest and respect.
Enjoying breakfast with friends, relaxed conversations without the anger just a cup of java.

Interlude in a coffee shop

To sip coffee with you,
Reading the newspaper,

Sitting close
Steam rises from my cup,

I relish this moment
Cherishing your smile,

Examine your face,
Lines, changes over the years

Still, I look in your eyes
And see the young man,

The hearth is still warm
And I’m thankful for that.
Patrick

United States

#174 Aug 29, 2014
^Patrick
London, UK
LOL
Patrick

London, UK

#175 Aug 30, 2014
Patrick wrote:
^Patrick
London, UK
LOL
I took a trip to the US, but I couldn't find any evidence of god.*sigh* so I'm back now.
Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#176 Sep 10, 2014
"How much faith it takes to believe in Evolution."

One may as well say:-

"How much faith it takes to believe in Gravity."

Either way the answer is the same:-

NONE
Patrick

United States

#177 Sep 12, 2014
The Pope in the News

The group of 20 Italian couples to be married by Pope Francis on Sunday—his first wedding ceremony as pope—includes pairs who have been living together and already have children, reports Catholic News Service
Cohabitation goes against the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching on sex and marriage, and priests typically encourage couples living together to find separate arrangements before they get married, CNS said.
While some Catholic leaders restrict cohabiting couples from participating in any church sacraments, including communion, Pope Francis takes a more lenient approach. Last year, he encouraged priests to speak the truth “in the love and in the fullness of God” and find a way to walk with couples in this situation.
Cohabitation continues to become more common in America, where the U.S. Census found 7.8 million unmarried couples living together in 2012, up from 2.9 million in 1996. Young couples increasingly see cohabitation as a step toward marriage. The societal pressure for shotgun weddings, when a single woman becomes pregnant, has faded into “shotgun cohabitation,” demographers say. Also, more divorcees are opting to move in with long-term partners instead of marrying again.
Patrick

United States

#178 Sep 12, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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I took a trip to the US, but I couldn't find any evidence of god.*sigh* so I'm back now.
Skeptic you should have called we could have had coffee and brunch...
Hope you are feeling better since the go-cart accident ! We drive on the right side of the road in the US
TheHeadlines

UK

#179 Sep 14, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Skeptic you should have called we could have had coffee and brunch...
Hope you are feeling better since the go-cart accident ! We drive on the right side of the road in the US
"Creationist Hitman Admits Attempted Murder"
Patrick

Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#180 Sep 14, 2014
TheHeadlines wrote:
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"Creationist Hitman Admits Attempted Murder"
“skeptic
begot Jim
who
begot religionislies
who
begot septic
who begot
TheHeadlines"

No wonder you are confused with so many names and a losing sense of self?
Patrick

Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#181 Sep 15, 2014
Symbolic move, but one that seems positive

About 1,300 troops from 15 countries - including the US and other Nato members - have begun a military exercise near Lviv in western Ukraine.

The US says the drill had been planned before the current crisis in eastern Ukraine, where government forces have been battling pro-Russian rebels.

Clashes have continued in eastern Ukraine, particularly around the city of Donetsk, despite a ceasefire deal.

Russia denies sending troops to aid the rebels, as alleged by Ukraine and Nato.

Over the weekend, Ukrainian Defence Minister Valery Heletey said Nato countries had begun arming his nation in the fight against the rebels.

He did not specify the type of weapons being delivered or name the countries involved.About 1,300 troops from 15 countries - including the US and other Nato members - have begun a military exercise near Lviv in western Ukraine.

The US says the drill had been planned before the current crisis in eastern Ukraine, where government forces have been battling pro-Russian rebels.

Clashes have continued in eastern Ukraine, particularly around the city of Donetsk, despite a ceasefire deal.

Russia denies sending troops to aid the rebels, as alleged by Ukraine and Nato.

Over the weekend, Ukrainian Defence Minister Valery Heletey said Nato countries had begun arming his nation in the fight against the rebels.

He did not specify the type of weapons being delivered or name the countries involved.
Patrick

Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#182 Sep 15, 2014
Dawkins is fun

Many atheists claim that atheism is the default position; atheism makes no claims, it just disbelieves in God or gods. This statement is an obvious lie unto itself, as it contains several claims: 1) atheism makes no claims; 2) there is no God; 3) there are no gods; 4) the universe is not created; 5) atheism is the default position.

Rather than providing evidence for his positions as required by the rules of science and evidence, Richard Dawkins instead attempts to ridicule and marginalize Francis Collins and other scientists who believe in God, comparing their scientific positions to believing in the spaghetti monster, while stating anyone who believes in God is "delusional".

This is a gross contradiction of logic, science and reason and the very worst example of trying to compare apples with oranges imaginable. The obvious reason being, if we eliminate the spaghetti monster, we aren't left having to explain our existence along with the rest of the universe.

The true default position of science is that there is a physical reality called "universe". The default question of science then becomes, how and why is there a physical reality called "universe". Even Richard Dawkins agrees with this, stating that the "God question" is "central to all of science" and cannot be ignored.

But Dawkins then contradicts himself, claiming the "onus" belongs on those who say there is a God. The "onus" remains on every human being to explain how and why there is a physical reality called universe. Atheists and agnostics don't get a pass on the "God question" any more than the rest of us.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Is-Richard-D...
Thinking

Poole, UK

#183 Sep 15, 2014
Sadtrick/Lincock obsessed by Dawkins. Why?
TheHeadlines wrote:
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"Creationist Hitman Admits Attempted Murder"
Patrick

Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#184 Sep 16, 2014
Thinking wrote:
It is valid, Lincock.
Prove this study is flawed, Lincock.
http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/06/24/british-y...
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In the end make sure you’re suspicious of all data.

Ask yourself the obvious questions:

- who did the primary research on this analysis?

- who paid them? Nobody does this stuff free. You’re either paid up front “sponsored research” or you’re paid on the back-end in terms of clients buying research reports.

- what motives might these people have had?

- who was in the sample set? how big was it? was it inclusive enough?

This seems to give you some comfort,
that others believe in atheism?

Similar to the "we really did not land on the Moon crowd" ?

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