How much faith it takes to believe in...

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#62 Aug 6, 2014
religionisillness wrote:
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Science didn't say anything, its evidence says it all - no god and there's never been one.
I said go eat flees and live in the jungle where you belong a and all your Atheist buddies.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#63 Aug 6, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Then enjoy eating flees off you father's back. Now, go on, live in the jungle where you belong.
primate
Any of more than 300 species of the order Primates, including monkeys, apes, humans, and others. Primates are distinguished from other mammals by one or more of the following traits: unspecialized structure, specialized behaviour, a short muzzle, comparatively poor sense of smell, prehensile five-digit hands and feet possessing flat nails instead of claws, acute vision with depth perception due to forward-facing eyes, a large brain, and prolonged pre- and postnatal development. Most species bear a single young and live in troops headed by a male. The primates are one of the most diverse orders of mammals on Earth. They include the lemurs (more than 70 species in six families), the lorises (three or more species in one subfamily), the tarsiers (six or more species in one family), the New World monkeys (almost 100 species in five families), the Old World monkeys (more than 100 species in one family), and the apes and humans (about 20 species in two families). The oldest known fossil remains of primates are about 60 million years old.
Patrick

United States

#64 Aug 7, 2014
"Any of more than 300 species of the order Primates, including monkeys, apes, humans, and others.........."

John Stewart dressed up monkeys to produce the show on Comedy Central. Alas they did not do well.

Human beings may be different?

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#65 Aug 8, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>primate
Any of more than 300 species of the order Primates, including monkeys, apes, humans, and others. Primates are distinguished from other mammals by one or more of the following traits: unspecialized structure, specialized behaviour, a short muzzle, comparatively poor sense of smell, prehensile five-digit hands and feet possessing flat nails instead of claws, acute vision with depth perception due to forward-facing eyes, a large brain, and prolonged pre- and postnatal development. Most species bear a single young and live in troops headed by a male. The primates are one of the most diverse orders of mammals on Earth. They include the lemurs (more than 70 species in six families), the lorises (three or more species in one subfamily), the tarsiers (six or more species in one family), the New World monkeys (almost 100 species in five families), the Old World monkeys (more than 100 species in one family), and the apes and humans (about 20 species in two families). The oldest known fossil remains of primates are about 60 million years old.
Wow, I do not know how much time you wasted on all that typing.

Science can turn around and call us humans part of the whale family and you would believe it.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#66 Aug 8, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Science can turn around and call us humans part of the whale family and you would believe it.
Why would scientists DO that?

We don't share virtually all of our DNA and an extremely similar physiology with whales.

We DO with other members of the ape family.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#67 Aug 8, 2014
Some info on Endogenous Retroviruses (ERVs) from a previous duscussion:

Why should we resort to theorizing that so-called "Intelligent Design' was deliberately behind the seemingly RANDOM act of an ancient virus' insertion of itself (let's say, for example) in slot #2 billion 48 (out of 3 billion places) of the DNA genome of a particular ape-like creature, who passed that imperfection or marker on to his progeny, who then passed it on to theirs, etc. for a hundred million years.....

....and why would such shared markers pop hundreds of thousands of times in the genomes of various members of the ape family,

...and why should ALL of those various markers found in the collective the ape family be present in the DNA of EVERY HUMAN BEING, every modern day GORILLA, every modern-day Gibbon, every modern day macaque, etc .etc. in EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE?

There would be NO OBVIOUS or RATIONAL reason for your God to have random illnesses millions of years ago leave such markers in all those species and have ALL those markers show up in EVERY modern member of the ape family in EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE in their genomes, BUT NOT in the same places in the DNA of other mammals.

The Theory of Evolution, by contrast, has a simple, obvious, easy-to-follow explanation: namely, these modern members of the ape family, including homo sapiens, all share a common ancestor.

Looking at just one retrovirus (HERV-K) of THOUSANDS ape family members have in common, here's what we find:

# of retroviral insertion points in common positions (i,=.e, exactly thee same place in the 3-billion pari genome) between humans and...
New World Monkeys: 2
Old World Monkeys: 4
Gibbons: 7
Orangutans: 9
Gorillas & Chimps: 11
Other Humans: 14

Plus, this explanation tells us the order in which the various species split off.

The least # of viruses in common split first. The most # split last.
Patrick

United States

#68 Aug 8, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Wow, I do not know how much time you wasted on all that typing.
Science can turn around and call us humans part of the whale family and you would believe it.
OCD typing ?
religionislies

London, UK

#69 Aug 8, 2014
Patrick wrote:
"Any of more than 300 species of the order Primates, including monkeys, apes, humans, and others.........."
John Stewart dressed up monkeys to produce the show on Comedy Central. Alas they did not do well.
Human beings may be different?
We'll stop laughing at Creationists after they prove their completely stupid and ignorant ideas of god.
Patrick

United States

#70 Aug 8, 2014
religionislies wrote:
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We'll stop laughing at Creationists after they prove their completely stupid and ignorant ideas of god.
Do you have a job?
Must be employment in London.
Enjoy yourself and keep up your amusing comments.
Peace

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#71 Aug 8, 2014
Gillette wrote:
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Why would scientists DO that?
We don't share virtually all of our DNA and an extremely similar physiology with whales.
We DO with other members of the ape family.
I'm saying if they did. I'm not saying they will or might.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#72 Aug 8, 2014
religionislies wrote:
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We'll stop laughing at Creationists after they prove their completely stupid and ignorant ideas of god.
Cool. It doesn't really matter since we are(religious people) laughing at you pretty much.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#73 Aug 8, 2014
Gillette wrote:
Some info on Endogenous Retroviruses (ERVs) from a previous duscussion:
Why should we resort to theorizing that so-called "Intelligent Design' was deliberately behind the seemingly RANDOM act of an ancient virus' insertion of itself (let's say, for example) in slot #2 billion 48 (out of 3 billion places) of the DNA genome of a particular ape-like creature, who passed that imperfection or marker on to his progeny, who then passed it on to theirs, etc. for a hundred million years.....
....and why would such shared markers pop hundreds of thousands of times in the genomes of various members of the ape family,
...and why should ALL of those various markers found in the collective the ape family be present in the DNA of EVERY HUMAN BEING, every modern day GORILLA, every modern-day Gibbon, every modern day macaque, etc .etc. in EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE?
There would be NO OBVIOUS or RATIONAL reason for your God to have random illnesses millions of years ago leave such markers in all those species and have ALL those markers show up in EVERY modern member of the ape family in EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE in their genomes, BUT NOT in the same places in the DNA of other mammals.
The Theory of Evolution, by contrast, has a simple, obvious, easy-to-follow explanation: namely, these modern members of the ape family, including homo sapiens, all share a common ancestor.
Looking at just one retrovirus (HERV-K) of THOUSANDS ape family members have in common, here's what we find:
# of retroviral insertion points in common positions (i,=.e, exactly thee same place in the 3-billion pari genome) between humans and...
New World Monkeys: 2
Old World Monkeys: 4
Gibbons: 7
Orangutans: 9
Gorillas & Chimps: 11
Other Humans: 14
Plus, this explanation tells us the order in which the various species split off.
The least # of viruses in common split first. The most # split last.
Evolution isn't simple nor the Big Bang. The fact thst you say nothing magically can make something is not simple nor a easy explanation.

God is simple, because there is 6billion people who would rather look at a God as a simple explanation and only a billlion who look to Evolution as a simple explanation.

There is nothing complex about God.

Also, you just called Evolution a Theory. It doesn't matter if it's a simple explanation, it's still not 100% proven, it's only a fact if it's a 100% proven, not 90%, not 40%.
religionisillnes s

East Barnet, UK

#74 Aug 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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I said go eat flees and live in the jungle where you belong a and all your Atheist buddies.
Its your childish fault that you can't accept there's no such thing as god.

Atheists are morally stronger than the weak liars like you who can't deal with your lives and have to make up fairy tales to make other people's lives miserable.
religionisillnes s

East Barnet, UK

#75 Aug 9, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Do you have a job?
Must be employment in London.
Enjoy yourself and keep up your amusing comments.
Peace
You can't stick to the subject - proving the god that you're trying to lie about.

Shows us all what a creationist coward you really are.
religionisillnes s

East Barnet, UK

#76 Aug 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Cool. It doesn't really matter since we are(religious people) laughing at you pretty much.
Yes, mentally ill religious liars do laugh a lot. It comes with the illness.
religionisillnes s

East Barnet, UK

#77 Aug 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Evolution isn't simple nor the Big Bang. The fact thst you say nothing magically can make something is not simple nor a easy explanation.
God is simple, because there is 6billion people who would rather look at a God as a simple explanation and only a billlion who look to Evolution as a simple explanation.
There is nothing complex about God.
Also, you just called Evolution a Theory. It doesn't matter if it's a simple explanation, it's still not 100% proven, it's only a fact if it's a 100% proven, not 90%, not 40%.
Your mental illness you call a 'faith' begins with you rejection of science and the fact of evolution.

If you could just tell the truth and admit that you don't really understand science, it would make you look a lot less stupid.

But instead you try to argue against science and the hard facts that make your faith look ignorant.

You have no evidence of god and are a religious liar. Just give up and go home.

You have failed to convert any atheists today.
religionisillnes s

East Barnet, UK

#78 Aug 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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I'm saying if they did. I'm not saying they will or might.
Go to any doctor, get a DNA test and the doctor will educate your ignorant inbred ass about how you evolved and PROVE IT.
Patrick

United States

#79 Aug 9, 2014
religionisillness wrote:
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Go to any doctor, get a DNA test and the doctor will educate your ignorant inbred ass about how you evolved and PROVE IT.
Not having good day and you live in London.
Why not enjoy life? Go to the park?
Peace
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#80 Aug 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Evolution isn't simple nor the Big Bang. The fact thst you say nothing magically can make something is not simple nor a easy explanation.
No one in science says that "nothing made something." That's your ignorant Christian fundamentalist LIE about what science says, so you will have something to bash on.

And notice that you ignored a full, detailed explanation of ERVs, some of the strongest evidence for mans descent from earlier ancestors in the ape family. You'd just prefer to chant "Evolution has no evidence! Evolution has no evidence!"
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#81 Aug 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Also, you just called Evolution a Theory. It doesn't matter if it's a simple explanation, it's still not 100% proven, it's only a fact if it's a 100% proven, not 90%, not 40%.
You've had this explained to you a dozen times or more over the past months. Yet you still make the ignorant assertion that "evolution is not a fact, just a theory."

And you wonder why people call you a moron?

You do not use the word theory correctly. There are multiple meanings.

in COMMON usage, theory usually means a conjecture or a guess or something that is not yet considered true.

In SCIENCE, a theory is not a conjecture or a vague guess. It is a complete, detailed unifying explanation of a large set of facts. "Theory" is as high as it gets in science.

Evolution is a fact, and the theory of evolution is the explanation of how the fact of evolution occurs.

A theory does not grow up to be a fact. It always remains a theory and facts always remain facts.

In scientific terms, a "theory' is not a conjecture or a vague guess. It is a complete, detailed unifying explanation of a large set of facts. "Theory" is as high as it gets in science. Saying "evolution is just a theory" is like saying "Bill gates is just a multi-billionaire."

A scientific theory is broad-based, well-tested, peer reviewed explanation for a wide range of facts (observed phenomena).

A scientific theory is NOT a guess.(no matter how many times you say so!)

Rather, a scientific theory is a grand explanation for a large number of careful observations, testable hypotheses, documented principles, justifiable models and precise facts. In short, a theory is the pinnacle of scientific practice, not an initial guess as some writers have suggested.

Those who try to diminish the scientific theory of evolution by dismissing it as ‘mere theory’ have completely mixed up the hierarchy of scientific practice. In reality, facts are quite boring. It’s the scientific theories that are the glorious achievement of rigorous science. Any child can observe a fact. In contrast, it takes millions of person-hours, accumulated over many years, by very bright individuals representing numerous nations and cultures, to reach consensus on a scientific theory (e.g., germ theory, atomic theory, cell theory, theory of gravity, or theory of relativity).

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