Why Christianity should be taught in our schools

Apr 10, 2011 Full story: The Age 44

To be anti-religion is not, as some would claim, to be neutral on religion. CHRISTIAN education in government schools is suddenly controversial, as secularists make it the latest battleground in their efforts to wind back what they see as the malign influence of religion.

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redneck

Myrtle Creek, OR

#1 Apr 10, 2011
The truth about the history of christianity should be taught so we don't repeat it. It has influenced history, but all myths influence the land they are in.
nina

Canada

#2 Apr 10, 2011
it's not that it's "seen" that way

it is that it *is* that way

but xtains don't see it, because it's their default settings that they are not sufficiently advanced users of the brain to change the settings; so allow the settings set by the parents to run as if they were default settings.
True witness

Claremore, OK

#3 Apr 12, 2011
The truth is Christianity or how to be a true Christian would never be taught in schools, what would be taught would be a mish mash of religious teaching based on religious doctrine from men and not the Bible. Giving moral advice is not Christian education.

Do you really believe children or young adults want to be taught how to imitate Jesus, or how God views people who lie and steal, cheat or commit fornication and adultry?

Do you really believe they would be taught how to be peaceful and loving and kind to all men, no matter what race or religion?
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#4 Apr 12, 2011
apparently, True Witness has no idea about his Jesus who said that to be his follwer, you had to abandon your family for him

and Jesus was only for the Jews, not non-Jews

if Jesus came back, he'd have nothing to do with christians at all.

and, until religitards understand the difference between teaching religion and teaching about religion

there should be very limited information about religion in schools - basically in art, literature and history class - when they intersect
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#5 Apr 12, 2011
1:51 pm, Tuesday, April 12, 2011:
RE: Why Christianity should be taught in our schools
..... As I see it, children should be taught the fundamental teachings of each of the major belief systems and philosophies available in the school's local area so as to understand and respect others' point of views.
..... As for Christianity, the one taught by Jesus differs considerably from the one taught by Paul and by the 4th gospel; many so-called "Christianities" were invented after Jesus had been crucified.
..... True witness, you are probably right, but it may not apply in all localities! I agree, in general!
..... nina, many people have, and/or have had, religious experiences that may differ considerably from whatever local clergy are teaching; and, yes, if Jesus would be here today he would be very astonished at what is being taught/has been written etc. using his name; he would probably (angrily?) reject most of it.

Since: Nov 08

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Apr 12, 2011
QUITTNER wrote:
1:51 pm, Tuesday, April 12, 2011:
..... As for Christianity, the one taught by Jesus differs considerably from the one taught by Paul and by the 4th gospel; many so-called "Christianities" were invented after Jesus had been crucified.
Actually, there is no difference between Christianity taught by Jesus from that taught Paul or that found in the fourth Gospel. There are those who, through miscomprehension of what is written, have concluded there is a difference, when in actuality, when properly understood, we find that what was written by Paul and John is in full harmony with what Jesus said.

I do will say that what is often thought of as Christianity does not reflect true Christianity as found in the Bible. Thus, what may be taught by teachers of young children in schools concerning "Christianity" may not actually be true Christianity at all, but rather the apostasy is taught as Christianity.(Matthew 13:24-30; Acts 20:29,30; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Timothy 4:3,4) This falling away had already begun in the first century, with some receiving a different spirit and preaching ďanother JesusĒ; the apostasy was restrained for only a short while.(2 Thessalonians 2:7; 1 John 2:18,19; 2 Corinthians 11:4) The apostasy spread rapidly after the death the apostles and developed into the great "Man of Sin", or more correctly "Insubordinate Man," "Lawless Man", or "Illegal Man", a great religious system, which claimed to have the authority to add to Godís Word since their revelation was allegedly of Godís Spirit, and these revelations were claimed, in effect, to add more to (and even contradict) the faith that scriptures say had once been delivered to the saints.-- Jude 1:3.

The religious element of the child's mind requires special training, and in this the Christian parent should be his tutor. In the present confused condition of the world on religious subjects, and their more advanced attitude as respects common school and public instruction, any attempt to teach any kind of religion is sure to be in opposition to the prejudices or conscientious convictions of some of those interested. Hence, in would be more in harmomy with the goals of justice that public schools be freed from all religious coloring, instruction, forms and ceremonies. While I believe the Bible to be the Word of God, I believe that in view of the fact that the Jews are opposed to the teachings of the New Testament, that many under the influence of Higher Criticism are opposed to much of the Old Testament as well as the New, that some infidels, skeptics, Buddhists, Theosophists, etc., are opposed to the Bible entirely, while others disagree with various translations, not to mention the varied views of doctrines, such trinity, the condition of the dead, etc., that may be found amongst various denominations and groups claiming to be Christian -- in view also of the fact that all of these classes are taxed for the support of the schools and required to take advantage of them -- it would be more just and wise to omit religious exercises in the schools, and ignore the Bible as a religious book, intruding it, if at all, merely as an ancient history, rather than give offense to so many who do not agree with the religion of that book.

The appropriation of time for secular study still leaves much time for the parents, and their chosen spiritual guides, quite an abundance of time for imparting whatever kind of religious instruction may seem best to them. Thus, if anything, the best thought of religious instruction in public schools would be to teach children to seek such instruction from their parents or from the instructors of the respective religious groups.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#7 Apr 12, 2011
ResLight wrote:
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Actually, there is no difference between Christianity taught by Jesus from that taught Paul or that found in the fourth Gospel. There are those who, through miscomprehension of what is written, have concluded there is a difference, when in actuality, when properly understood, we find that what was written by Paul and John is in full harmony with what Jesus said.
I do will say that what is often thought of as Christianity does not reflect true Christianity as found in the Bible. Thus, what may be taught by teachers of young children in schools concerning "Christianity" may not actually be true Christianity at all, but rather the apostasy is taught as Christianity.(Matthew 13:24-30; Acts 20:29,30; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; 1 Timothy 4:1-3; 2 Timothy 4:3,4) This falling away had already begun in the first century, with some receiving a different spirit and preaching ďanother JesusĒ; the apostasy was restrained for only a short while.(2 Thessalonians 2:7; 1 John 2:18,19; 2 Corinthians 11:4) The apostasy spread rapidly after the death the apostles and developed into the great "Man of Sin", or more correctly "Insubordinate Man," "Lawless Man", or "Illegal Man", a great religious system, which claimed to have the authority to add to Godís Word since their revelation was allegedly of Godís Spirit, and these revelations were claimed, in effect, to add more to (and even contradict) the faith that scriptures say had once been delivered to the saints.-- Jude 1:3.
The religious element of the child's mind requires special training, and in this the Christian parent should be his tutor. In the present confused condition of the world on religious subjects, and their more advanced attitude as respects common school and public instruction, any attempt to teach any kind of religion is sure to be in opposition to the prejudices or conscientious convictions of some of those interested. Hence, in would be more in harmomy with the goals of justice that public schools be freed from all religious coloring, instruction, forms and ceremonies. While I believe the Bible to be the Word of God, I believe that in view of the fact that the Jews are opposed to the teachings of the New Testament, that many under the influence of Higher Criticism are opposed to much of the Old Testament as well as the New, that some infidels, skeptics, Buddhists, Theosophists, etc., are opposed to the Bible entirely, while others disagree with various translations, not to mention the varied views of doctrines, such trinity, the condition of the dead, etc., that may be found amongst various denominations and groups claiming to be Christian -- in view also of the fact that all of these classes are taxed for the support of the schools and required to take advantage of them -- it would be more just and wise to omit religious exercises in the schools, and ignore the Bible as a religious book, intruding it, if at all, merely as an ancient history, rather than give offense to so many who do not agree with the religion of that book.
The appropriation of time for secular study still leaves much time for the parents, and their chosen spiritual guides, quite an abundance of time for imparting whatever kind of religious instruction may seem best to them. Thus, if anything, the best thought of religious instruction in public schools would be to teach children to seek such instruction from their parents or from the instructors of the respective religious groups.
And here we go... Apologetics flavored with a nice dash of No True Christian.

I especially like the part that it requires "special training" to understand the Christian religion - perhaps training that only a Catholic priest can convey on young children and fill them with the "Holy Spirit" (now known as DNA evidence).

I guess even god was affected by tumbling down the Tower of Babel so that his language is also confusing and not understood.
True witness

Claremore, OK

#8 Apr 13, 2011
If you want your children to be taught Christian morals and to be upright good people when they leave school, the Bible says, the parents should teach them. Deuteronomy 6: 6,7

Reading the Bible and setting the right example with the children, read Ephesians chapter 5.

Have a family Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses,
it is free and you will find out what the Bible says it takes to have a happy family life.
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#9 Apr 13, 2011
True witness wrote:
...it is free and you will find out what the Bible says it takes to have a happy family life.
JWs do not have a balanced view of the imbalanced book

demanding that children die when the death is preventable is all that anyone needs to know about your vile sect

any of the JWs that I have met, can't tell you what's in the bible, they can only tell you what their magazine tells them is in the bible.

every time a JW comes to my door and claim the bible says thus and so, I hand them one and ask "where"

then I stand still and watch them gape their mouths for several minutes until I close the door.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#10 Apr 13, 2011
True witness wrote:
If you want your children to be taught Christian morals and to be upright good people when they leave school, the Bible says, the parents should teach them. Deuteronomy 6: 6,7
Reading the Bible and setting the right example with the children, read Ephesians chapter 5.
Have a family Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses,
it is free and you will find out what the Bible says it takes to have a happy family life.
We know what the bible says about happy family life.

Lamech is the first of a long line of biblical men with more than one wife. It seems that God approves of such marriages. Genesis 4:19

Sarai is the first of a long line of barren women who were desperate for children.(In the Bible, it is the women who are barren, never the men.) She sends Abram into her handmaid, Hagar, so that she can "obtain children by her." Abram gladly complies. Genesis 16:1-4

Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. Genesis 19:8

Lot and his daughters camp out in a cave for a while. The daughters get their "just and righteous" father drunk, and have sexual intercourse with him, and each conceives and bears a son (wouldn't you know it!). Just another wholesome family values Bible story. Genesis 19:30-38

Abraham married his sister, and God blessed their marriage (17:15-16). Genesis 20:12

Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. Genesis 22:10

Jacob is tricked by Laban, the father of Rachel and Leah. Jacob asks for Rachel so that he can "go in unto her." But Laban gives him Leah instead, and Jacob "went in unto her [Leah]" by mistake. Jacob was fooled until morning -- apparently he didn't know who he was going in unto. Finally they worked things out and Jacob got to "go in unto" Rachel, too. Genesis 29:21-30

Rachel trades her husband's favors for some mandrakes. And so, when Jacob cam home, Leah said: "Thou must come in unto me, for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night." Presumably God, by telling us this edifying story, is teaching us something about sexual ethics. Genesis 30:15-16

Tamar (the widow of Er and Onan, who were killed by God) dresses up as a prostitute and Judah (her father-in-law) propositions her, saying: "Let me come in unto thee .... And he ... came in unto her, and she conceived by him." Genesis 38:13-18

How to sell your daughter -- and what to do if she fails to please her new master. Exodus 21:7-8

God's instructions for taking a second wife. Exodus 21:10

A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. Exodus 21:15, 17

"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." Leviticus 26:29

Rules for those who have two wives: "one beloved, and another hated." Deuteronomy 21:15-17

How to treat your hated children. Deuteronomy 21:15-17

If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die." Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Michal was bought by David with 200 Philistine foreskins (1 Sam.18:25-27), then she was "given" to Phatiel (1 Sam.25:44), and then "taken back" by David. Poor Phatiel must have loved her dearly since he "went along weeping behind her." 2 Samuel 3:15-16

Oh, those biblical family values! Incest, offering your daughters to a mob for gang rape, killing your son, having a bunch of wives, lending out one of your wives. Sounds like just the thing to get America back on track, morality-wise.
True witness

Claremore, OK

#11 Apr 13, 2011
True Christians live by the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses.

Those ancient Jews were allowed more than one wife, because they wanted it that way, not God or even Moses. Jesus explained they were rebellious from the start. Matthew 19:8,9

The Jews had no permission to have a second wife, the law covered the consequences if he did take one, or if he did anything he wasn't suppose to do.

Like Jesus said, if you look at a woman to have a passion for her, you already committed adultery in your heart. You must have clean thoughts to have a clean heart. Matthew 15:19
True witness

Claremore, OK

#12 Apr 13, 2011
Using the law to abstain from eating blood, or taking it into your body, and you don't agree with it... is just a cop out for obeying God's word.

Any reason a person has to avoid the direction of their heavenly Father's word the Bible, should be good enough to give up your life for, you make that decision not anyone else. Matthew 16:26

Jesus set the pattern for the true Christian course, unless we imitate his thinking on God's word, he said your worship to God is futile.
Matthew 15:9

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#13 Apr 13, 2011
True witness wrote:
True Christians live by the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses.
...
But in post # 8 (" http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... ;) you quoted Deuteronomy as your argument. You just pick and choose whatever to justify your dogma. A little here...a little there..."oh we don't believe in the bad stuff that's in the bible anymore, we've outgrown that."

Whatever floats your boat. But cafeteria christians appear rather absurd to those not taken in by the bilge.
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#14 Apr 13, 2011
True witness wrote:
...Any reason a person has to avoid the direction of their heavenly Father's word the Bible, should be good enough to give up your life for,..
cut n paste spamming means you can't understand the rules enough to explain it in your own words

and basically, refusing life saving transfusions is the JW loophole against the religious rule that suicides go to hell and not heaven

failing to act to preserve your or another life is no different from actively taking that same life

JWs are collectively saying that children and themselves do not deserve life

all of your children should be removed from your custody to protect them from you

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#15 Apr 13, 2011
True witness wrote:
If you want your children to be taught Christian morals and to be upright good people when they leave school, the Bible says, the parents should teach them. Deuteronomy 6: 6,7
Reading the Bible and setting the right example with the children, read Ephesians chapter 5.
Have a family Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses,
it is free and you will find out what the Bible says it takes to have a happy family life.
Jehovah Witlesses? Are they the ones that predicted Jesus coming back 7 times, failed every prediction and now just say the "end times are near!" And that only 144,000 -men- will be near god in heaven after the rapture judgement? I have no idea why women would even follow that heretical cult as they have no hope to bask in the glory.

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#16 Apr 13, 2011
True witness wrote:
True Christians live by the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses.
Those ancient Jews were allowed more than one wife, because they wanted it that way, not God or even Moses. Jesus explained they were rebellious from the start. Matthew 19:8,9
The Jews had no permission to have a second wife, the law covered the consequences if he did take one, or if he did anything he wasn't suppose to do.
Like Jesus said, if you look at a woman to have a passion for her, you already committed adultery in your heart. You must have clean thoughts to have a clean heart. Matthew 15:19
Are you suggesting that the Law of Moses no longer applies? Yay! bye-bye 10 commandmants! Murder, Lie, Steal, Blaspheme all you like! I wonder if boiling a lamb in its mother's milk is tasty...
True witness

Claremore, OK

#17 Apr 14, 2011
If you want to know what the Bible is teaching mankind today, you have to be taught from your Bible. Matthew 28:19, 20

We are subject to God's word, if we say we are a Christian, your understanding of Scripture is keeping you from having the hope of everlasting life in paradise on earth. John 17:3

The coming destruction of all wickedness and ungodly people is fast approaching, no one knows when it will happen, but all the signs are happening world wide. Matthew 24:7-14

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#18 Apr 14, 2011
True witness wrote:
If you want to know what the Bible is teaching mankind today, you have to be taught from your Bible. Matthew 28:19, 20
We are subject to God's word, if we say we are a Christian, your understanding of Scripture is keeping you from having the hope of everlasting life in paradise on earth. John 17:3
The coming destruction of all wickedness and ungodly people is fast approaching, no one knows when it will happen, but all the signs are happening world wide. Matthew 24:7-14
Yeah, dude, but not everyone is a Christian. Even in this nation.

And, given the establishment clause, that means that if any religion is taught in a school, all religions have to be taught...which would be a bit time consuming even if you Christians agreed to that.

You've got the kids at home 2/3 of every weekday, and all weekend. Don't you instill them with all this Bible knowledge during that time? Do you have to have all the rest, too. And push it on everyone else's kids at the same time?

I bet you are one of those that would freak if Sharia Law was being taught your kids at school, yet you think it's just fine to have others taught your religious laws.

Since: Dec 10

Quakertown, PA

#19 Apr 14, 2011
True witness wrote:
If you want to know what the Bible is teaching mankind today, you have to be taught from your Bible. Matthew 28:19, 20
We are subject to God's word, if we say we are a Christian, your understanding of Scripture is keeping you from having the hope of everlasting life in paradise on earth. John 17:3
The coming destruction of all wickedness and ungodly people is fast approaching, no one knows when it will happen, but all the signs are happening world wide. Matthew 24:7-14
And when you rewrite the Bible to fit your desires, you get labled as a cult.
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#20 Apr 14, 2011
True witness wrote:
blah cut n pste blah
so you have nothing of your own to contribute?

does it occur to you that rejecting the bible means that we don't accept quotses from it as being valid or relevant?

if you reply with more cut n paste out of context quotes, rewritten in modern english, that your answer is that you are unable to understand content and are probably a computer program randomly posting quotes

whether you are plastic parts or fleshy parts

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