Five rules for Atheists debating Christians

Mar 29, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

The Atheist/Theist debates rage all over the internet. The resurgence of Atheist philosophy in the early 2000's brought about a reactionary result within Christianity that has led to a boom in Christian Apologetics .

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“you must not give faith”

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Mar 29, 2013
 
I have my own 5 rules...
1) Do not go out of your way to be polite, you just can’t. The article called memes like zombie Jesus a way for us to be “inherently condescending” which they are, as one must be these memes are not cheap shots but ultimately the only way you can speak on religious matters. Something’s cannot be disused without mockery, as sometimes just giving a fact is like a joke i.e. the belief that the cosmos is just for us, is view it like how I looked at a big chocolate cake when I was 6… I could see I didn’t need all of it and that I didn’t even have the space to eat all of it despite wanting to, and I really REALLY WANTED TO. This is childish to the highest degree and the religious want to have it all to, despite not needing it all and despite being not able to use it all, they really really want to.
2) Have a thin skin. DO NOT let your emotions make your arguments but if one is not at least a bit annoyed seeing children getting f*** something’s wrong with you…
3) Focus on the Negative and not the Positive because most of the time you are in the camp of not believing in X you have to Focus on the Negative. As for the example in the article, one of the best arguments against being in a religion is it’s perversion of hope, forgiveness, and purpose. Also the reason why atheism will win is the continued focus on refuting theism, if you stop ground will be quickly lost and we will have to get it all over again.
4) use Political examples to show how bad thing can get when religion is making the law, this can change someone’s view of the world.
5) Adopt the Christian Worldview in order to Refute the Christian Worldview this is the only thing I can agree to in the article.“To effectively address the Christian belief system, the best way to do so is to adopt this position and then to show its internal inconsistencies.”
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Mar 30, 2013
 
More robboblogger drivel. Quote article, "Both Atheists and Christians cling doggedly to their respective beliefs.."
Atheists don't indulge in 'beliefs' in the religious use of the word.
"...with the results that they clash in ways that are often explosive and vitriolic."
What makes the debate in the US 'explosive' is the surprise felt by religionists that their peddled tripe is now being openly challenged in words people dared not once use. Saying religious belief was fundamentally wrong used to be seen as 'blasphemy' in earlier times.

Religion = superstition

Blasphemy should more properly be seen as criticism or satire.(Sometimes it is contempt or disinterest).
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Mar 30, 2013
 
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
I have my own 5 rules...
1) Do not go out of your way to be polite, you just can’t. The article called memes like zombie Jesus a way for us to be “inherently condescending” which they are, as one must be these memes are not cheap shots but ultimately the only way you can speak on religious matters. Something’s cannot be disused without mockery, as sometimes just giving a fact is like a joke i.e. the belief that the cosmos is just for us, is view it like how I looked at a big chocolate cake when I was 6… I could see I didn’t need all of it and that I didn’t even have the space to eat all of it despite wanting to, and I really REALLY WANTED TO. This is childish to the highest degree and the religious want to have it all to, despite not needing it all and despite being not able to use it all, they really really want to.
2) Have a thin skin. DO NOT let your emotions make your arguments but if one is not at least a bit annoyed seeing children getting f*** something’s wrong with you…
3) Focus on the Negative and not the Positive because most of the time you are in the camp of not believing in X you have to Focus on the Negative. As for the example in the article, one of the best arguments against being in a religion is it’s perversion of hope, forgiveness, and purpose. Also the reason why atheism will win is the continued focus on refuting theism, if you stop ground will be quickly lost and we will have to get it all over again.
4) use Political examples to show how bad thing can get when religion is making the law, this can change someone’s view of the world.
5) Adopt the Christian Worldview in order to Refute the Christian Worldview this is the only thing I can agree to in the article.“To effectively address the Christian belief system, the best way to do so is to adopt this position and then to show its internal inconsistencies.”
It is interesting to see what your rules are. I do not see them as rules to obey, since that would seem to imply a sort of absolutist tone on your part that is too similar to religious bossiness.

I agree on focusing on the negative. I do not agree with using nasty terms like "zombie Jesus." I do not think it is necessary to adopt the Christian point of view and just point out inconsistencies. You do it your way, let others do it their way. I agree about the thin skin, but I do not think that any skeptic has enough respect for a nasty true believer to be at all bothered by what that person thinks, says, or writes.

I hope you are implying that atheism is defined as not being a believer in theism, rather than being a claim that it is known that nothing that could possibily be called God exists. I certainly suggest that agnostic (not making a knowledge claim) atheism (not Believing in a God) is a very sensible combination.

This is not meant to be critical in an unfriendly way. Your comment was thought provoking and thus helpful.
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EdSed wrote:
More robboblogger drivel. Quote article, "Both Atheists and Christians cling doggedly to their respective beliefs.."
Atheists don't indulge in 'beliefs' in the religious use of the word.
"...with the results that they clash in ways that are often explosive and vitriolic."
What makes the debate in the US 'explosive' is the surprise felt by religionists that their peddled tripe is now being openly challenged in words people dared not once use. Saying religious belief was fundamentally wrong used to be seen as 'blasphemy' in earlier times.
Religion = superstition
Blasphemy should more properly be seen as criticism or satire.(Sometimes it is contempt or disinterest).
I do not accept that all religion is equal in its irrationalaity, immorality, or bad effects in the world. Some religious views are mostly ethical, and some of them are OK - not killing is usually the kinder course.

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Mar 31, 2013
 
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> It is interesting to see what your rules are. I do not see them as rules to obey, since that would seem to imply a sort of absolutist tone on your part that is too similar to religious bossiness.
I agree on focusing on the negative. I do not agree with using nasty terms like "zombie Jesus." I do not think it is necessary to adopt the Christian point of view and just point out inconsistencies. You do it your way, let others do it their way. I agree about the thin skin, but I do not think that any skeptic has enough respect for a nasty true believer to be at all bothered by what that person thinks, says, or writes.
I hope you are implying that atheism is defined as not being a believer in theism, rather than being a claim that it is known that nothing that could possibily be called God exists. I certainly suggest that agnostic (not making a knowledge claim) atheism (not Believing in a God) is a very sensible combination.
This is not meant to be critical in an unfriendly way. Your comment was thought provoking and thus helpful.
The thing about religious bossiness is that it trys not even to let you speak against me so hopeful you now see that obey or else wasn’t what I was trying to get across, but I do fear one must follow these rules as realty just makes you, it makes you say rude, condescending things about bad ideas.
The reason why it is necessary to see the Christian view and point out inconsistencies is, so long as they have a “higher witness” it is hard to make them look at Christianity without dismissing their own doubts off hand.
The thing about the zombie Jesus meme is that the ending of the Jesus story does look like a zombie fick with all the Coming back to life, so the main message is “you would see this not only as funny but true about any other Christ like figure, so why do you look at Jesus so seriously?”
I was not saying anything about what atheism is but I do have three forms of it; strong atheism which is what I am states God does not exist, weak atheism due to strong agnosticism one cannot believe in God as one can never get any evidence for it, and finally weak atheism due to weak agnosticism one cannot believe in God as one has no evidence yet. Note most of us fall in the 2ed form so don't try pushing the bourdon of proof on to all us.

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