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THE ISSUE ABOUT TIME AND SPACE


Nothing existed before something started to exist. BTW, time and space do not exist. They are accidents of matter. Space is the distance between matter and matter. Considering that matter was created, there was no space before matter. Where there is no matter, there is nothing. Vacuum, is the word.

How about time? There is no time. Time is an accident of motion. For instance, put a marble ball on the top of a hill and tell me how long it takes for that marble to reach the base of the hill. You don't know. Why? Because the marble is in the state of inertia. There is no time while matter is in the state of inertia. You have got to push that marble down the hill to know how long it will take for it to reach the base of the hill. It means that time is measured by motion. Without motion, there is no time. Time is the biproduct of matter in motion. Bottom line: There is no space without matter and there is no time if matter does not move.

There was no time nor space before the universe was created. The universe is composed of matter. And time and space are accidents of matter.

Time and space became a constant after the creation of the universe. They do not exist by themselves. They are abstract concepts, relative to the existence of matter.

There is no such a thing as "always exists" about matter, and for that matter, about man. Only God always exists. And focus that the verb is in the present tense and not in the past; and it can neither be in the future.

An atheist asked me that if things were created out of nothing where did nothing come from? That's the kind of question which constitutes an insult not only to the intelligence of the questioner but also to that of the one who must answer. Aristotle said, in other words, that only nothing comes out of nothing. And I add to it, by the will of man or of nature. And here is where we must start our research about the origin of things on the basis of the concept of probability that everything is possible.

Albert Einstein was once asked if he believed in God. He answered and said that all his life was trying to catch God at His work of creation. He was referring to the expansion of the universe, which could very well be God at His work of creation.(Psalm 19:1) Probability is the word. Nobody is sure of anything about issues of billions of years ago. So, it could have been this or that way.

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"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

-- Albert Einstein

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Mikko wrote:
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
-- Albert Einstein
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I am aware of that quotation of Einstein, but the reference is to talking serpent believers who can't understand metaphorical language. Therefore, Einstein had in mind those of the literal interpretation club. I also consider them pretty childish. No less no more than those that believe that the universe came about as a result of a big bang, which Carl Sagan referred to as our modern myth to understand where the universe came from.
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"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954.
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THE ISSUE ABOUT TIME AND SPACE
Nothing existed before something started to exist. BTW, time and space do not exist. They are accidents of matter. Space is the distance between matter and matter. Considering that matter was created, there was no space before matter. Where there is no matter, there is nothing. Vacuum, is the word.
How about time? There is no time. Time is an accident of motion. For instance, put a marble ball on the top of a hill and tell me how long it takes for that marble to reach the base of the hill. You don't know. Why? Because the marble is in the state of inertia. There is no time while matter is in the state of inertia. You have got to push that marble down the hill to know how long it will take for it to reach the base of the hill. It means that time is measured by motion. Without motion, there is no time. Time is the biproduct of matter in motion. Bottom line: There is no space without matter and there is no time if matter does not move.
There was no time nor space before the universe was created. The universe is composed of matter. And time and space are accidents of matter.
Time and space became a constant after the creation of the universe. They do not exist by themselves. They are abstract concepts, relative to the existence of matter.
There is no such a thing as "always exists" about matter, and for that matter, about man. Only God always exists. And focus that the verb is in the present tense and not in the past; and it can neither be in the future.
An atheist asked me that if things were created out of nothing where did nothing come from? That's the kind of question which constitutes an insult not only to the intelligence of the questioner but also to that of the one who must answer. Aristotle said, in other words, that only nothing comes out of nothing. And I add to it, by the will of man or of nature. And here is where we must start our research about the origin of things on the basis of the concept of probability that everything is possible.
Albert Einstein was once asked if he believed in God. He answered and said that all his life was trying to catch God at His work of creation. He was referring to the expansion of the universe, which could very well be God at His work of creation.(Psalm 19:1) Probability is the word. Nobody is sure of anything about issues of billions of years ago. So, it could have been this or that way.
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Here is the answer, if you have the courage to read it:
http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-...

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The only truth the Theist wants to hear is.... Insert Random God's name here/Jesus did it.

Sad but true.
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<quoted text>Here is the answer, if you have the courage to read it:
http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-...

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-Skeptic- wrote:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954.
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God forbid that Einstein should have been a religious person. Religious people are usually believers of religious myths. The point with Einstein about God is that he could not think of God in a personal basis. That's where I am. However, he would not discard the idea of God as I don't. Only atheists can do that. He did make
it very clear that he was not an atheist at a question if he was one.
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Yes, you're right both of your quotes confirm that I am wrong. Einstein was clearly not religious and did not believe in a personal god. However, I am a cult member, so even though I realise that you are correct, I must continue to shamelessly lie to you, in the effort to misguide you into believing in my cult's lies.
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"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954.

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LMT wrote:
<quoted text>Here is the answer, if you have the courage to read it:
http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-...
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I had the courage to read it, but you don't have the "courage" to understand it. Yes, there was something. Where did that something come from? You cannot escape from the stacked domino phenomenon that the first piece was pushed by the "Primal Cause" of the Philosophers. If you find this stupid, prove it by telling me where
did that "something" come from to be there and give origin to the universe?
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The only truth the Theist wants to hear is.... Insert Random God's name here/Jesus did it.
Sad but true.
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As I can see, you don't know anything about Jesus. I bet you did not know that he used to believe in God just like Einstein did: A non-personal God. If it doesn't hurt you to read John 4:24, Jesus said that God is a Spirit, and not a personal God. Spirits are incorporeal; and there is no personality in incorporeality. That's how the great Scientist Albert Einstein believed in God. And that's how I do. Atheists can't stand that because it is not enough. Their purpose is to, absolutely, erase God from the mind of man.
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<quoted text>Ben_Masada wrote:
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Yes, you're right both of your quotes confirm that I am wrong. Einstein was clearly not religious and did not believe in a personal god. However, I am a cult member, so even though I realise that you are correct, I must continue to shamelessly lie to you, in the effort to misguide you into believing in my cult's lies.
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I never wrote the quote above. I would never admit to be or to have
been a cult member. Judaism is not a cult. IMO, atheists are not correct. I don't know what you did to come out with such a post. I do believe that you are able of that much, I just don't how.
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I've learned my lesson now. It's morally wrong to lie to atheists in their own forum about the beliefs of Einstein. In future I will do my research properly instead of mindlessly spreading religious propaganda in an attempt to misrepresent Einstein and atheists.
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Glad you have a conscience.

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Isn't it frustrating when people straight MAKE SH*T UP?
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.. Judaism is not a cult. IMO, atheists are not correct...Ben
Cult usually summons up the image of a minority of people who are misguided or fanatics but I think Judaism is a cult. Essentially, all religions are, as they are based on superstition and dogma.

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Glad you have a conscience.
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What a name you are building for yourself by forgering posts that posters you hold a grudge against, never wrote them!!! You are giving athests a bad name.
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EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Cult usually summons up the image of a minority of people who are misguided or fanatics but I think Judaism is a cult. Essentially, all religions are, as they are based on superstition and dogma.
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In that case, you are including atheists as members of a cult of believers in the myth of the big bang. Read Carl Sagan in his book
"Cosmos" page 258.
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In that case, you are including atheists as members of a cult of believers in the myth of the big bang. Read Carl Sagan in his book
"Cosmos" page 258.
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Cosmos was written many years before one of his best books:
"The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark"

BTW, there is NO WAY you could have read Lawrence Kraus' book and then asked that silly question you asked above.

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LMT wrote:
<quoted text>Cosmos was written many years before one of his best books:
"The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark"
BTW, there is NO WAY you could have read Lawrence Kraus' book and then asked that silly question you asked above.
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BTW, it is a well-known fallacy to appeal to authorities. That's usually what atheists love to tell me. But I guess that these little rules do not apply to them.
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Ben_Masada wrote:
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In that case, you are including atheists as members of a cult of believers in the myth of the big bang. Read Carl Sagan in his book
"Cosmos" page 258.
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Religion = superstition
Obvious

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EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Religion = superstition
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Not only religions but all beliefs witout knowledge lead to superstitions.
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