The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#147 Mar 29, 2013
You're still taking your time.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#148 Mar 30, 2013
Okay, I may not believe evolution, but since when did science disprove Evolution.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#149 Mar 30, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Okay, I may not believe evolution, but since when did science disprove Evolution.
It didn't. Creationists frequently post shit with titles like that.

And Evolution couldn't give a crap whether or not you believe it.

That's the great thing about facts. Belief doesn't matter.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#150 Apr 2, 2013
The Dude wrote:
You're still taking your time.
That amnesia must be really strong. Still forgotten the burden of proof and can't produce anything both real and unfalsifiable after 2 years - what a rat bag!

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#151 Apr 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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That amnesia must be really strong. Still forgotten the burden of proof and can't produce anything both real and unfalsifiable after 2 years - what a rat bag!
Once again, bacteria, dark energy, gravity, etc. You've been given LOTS of examples.

And you've failed to provide a definition of burden of proof yourself.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#152 Apr 3, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, bacteria, dark energy, gravity, etc. You've been given LOTS of examples.
And you've failed to provide a definition of burden of proof yourself.
Coming from the guy who accuses me of not believing in Egyptians!

Yep seriously.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#153 Apr 3, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, bacteria, dark energy, gravity, etc. You've been given LOTS of examples.
And you've failed to provide a definition of burden of proof yourself.
Please don't make me remind everyone that their are thread dedicated to your "way of thinking".

You don't believe me? Oh alright then: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#154 Apr 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Coming from the guy who accuses me of not believing in Egyptians!
Yep seriously.
It's not an accusation to quote you claiming that Egypt never existed.

Just like you also posted about how C-14 dating was bullshit.

I'd say you've lost credibility, but you never had any to begin with.

By the way, we absolutely DID land a man on the moon.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#155 Apr 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Please don't make me remind everyone that their are thread dedicated to your "way of thinking".
You don't believe me? Oh alright then: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Yes, I remember. You couldn't win an actual argument with me, so you built a strawman version of me on a different thread.

Of course, the "strawman" version of me never bothered to point out that you were claiming that we never went to the moon, that C14 dating is fake, that Egypt isn't a real country and that only Jesus counts as a god.

But hey, if that's the best you can do, enjoy.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#156 Apr 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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That amnesia must be really strong. Still forgotten the burden of proof and can't produce anything both real and unfalsifiable after 2 years - what a rat bag!
No amnesia. This thread is only 8 pages long.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#157 Apr 4, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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It's not an accusation to quote you claiming that Egypt never existed.
Just like you also posted about how C-14 dating was bullshit.
I'd say you've lost credibility, but you never had any to begin with.
By the way, we absolutely DID land a man on the moon.
You're so full of sh*t it's all that comes out of your keyboard.

Atheism doesn't need you. You are free to f*ck off now.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#158 Apr 4, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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No amnesia. This thread is only 8 pages long.
Oh hey, its Nuggin's left testicle, right on time. Any chance you've understood the burden of proof yet? or provided any evidence of anything both real and unfalsifiable.

Exactly.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#159 Apr 4, 2013
Nuggin wrote: "we absolutely DID land on the moon"
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
You're so full of sh*t it's all that comes out of your keyboard.
I see you're back to your old Conspiracy theory self again.

You know that we left stuff up there, right? Like the mirror we bounce lasers off of. If we didn't go to the moon, how did it get there? Did "Jesus" put it there?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#160 Apr 4, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh hey, its Nuggin's left testicle, right on time. Any chance you've understood the burden of proof yet? or provided any evidence of anything both real and unfalsifiable.
Exactly.
Exactly, yes. It's still on page 2 waiting to be rebutted. Same as it has been for well over a year.

Since: Dec 08

Palm Harbor, FL

#161 Apr 4, 2013
Codes, Programs, and Information 4

All isolated systems, including living organisms, have specific, but perishable, amounts of information. No isolated system has ever been shown to increase its information content significantly (f). Nor do natural processes increase information; they destroy it. Only outside intelligence can significantly increase the information content of an otherwise isolated system. All scientific observations are consistent with this generalization, which has three corollaries:

Macroevolution cannot occur (g).
Outside intelligence was involved in the creation of the universe and all forms of life (h).
Life could not result from a “big bang”(i).

f. Werner Gitt (Professor of Information Systems) describes man as the most complex information processing system on earth. Gitt estimated that about 3×10^24 bits of information are processed daily in an average human body. That is thousands of times more than all the information in all the world’s libraries.[See Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 2nd edition (Bielefeld, Germany: CLV, 2000), p. 88.]

“There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.” Ibid., p. 107.

“If there are more than several dozen nucleotides in a functional sequence, we know that realistically they will never just ‘fall into place.’ This has been mathematically demonstrated repeatedly. But as we will soon see, neither can such a sequence arise randomly one nucleotide at a time. A pre-existing ‘concept’ is required as a framework upon which a sentence or a functional sequence must be built. Such a concept can only pre-exist within the mind of the author.” Sanford, pp. 124–125.

g. Because macroevolution requires increasing complexity through natural processes, the organism’s information content must spontaneously increase many times. However, natural processes cannot significantly increase the information content of an isolated system, such as a reproductive cell. Therefore, macroevolution cannot occur.

“The basic flaw of all evolutionary views is the origin of the information in living beings. It has never been shown that a coding system and semantic information could originate by itself in a material medium, and the information theorems predict that this will never be possible. A purely material origin of life is thus precluded.” Gitt, p. 124.

h. Based on modern advances in the field of information theory, the only known way to decrease the entropy of an isolated system is by having intelligence in that system.[See, for example, Charles H. Bennett,“Demons, Engines and the Second Law,” Scientific American, Vol. 257, November 1987, pp. 108–116.] Because the universe is far from its maximum entropy level, a vast intelligence is the only known means by which the universe could have been brought into being.[See also "Second Law of Thermodynamics"]

i. If the “big bang” occurred, all the matter in the universe was at one time a hot gas. A gas is one of the most random systems known to science. Random, chaotic movements of gas molecules contain virtually no useful information. Because an isolated system, such as the universe, cannot generate nontrivial information, the “big bang” could not produce the complex, living universe we have today, which contains astronomical amounts of useful information.

[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#162 Apr 4, 2013
Pahu wrote:
Codes, blah, bullshit blah
Pahu, before you can present more religious apologetics you have to deal with the fact that your foundations have already been deconstructed, so until addressed, all that follows falls.

Especially when you invoke two different creationists with RADICALLY opposing views: one who thinks Goddidit with magic 6,000 years ago and definitely did not use evolution even though evolution is a requirement due to global flood, and one who thinks Goddidit with magic billions of years ago, using evolution, and that God is now dead.

So again I point out, since your "scientific alternative" is MAGIC why the hypocrisy on your part by contradicting yourself over and over and claiming science debunks evolution, despite the fact it quite clearly does not?

In short, why do you creationists always have to ignore the 9th Commandment when arguing your position?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#163 Apr 5, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
Nuggin wrote: "we absolutely DID land on the moon"
I yeah, the argument from obviousity, who can disagree eh?

The tool of the snivelling defeated coward. Come on you two balls, take a hike, there are more serious discussions to be had.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#164 Apr 5, 2013
Nuggin has earned himself yet another reminder of his own stupidity: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Well done!
Thinking

Staines, UK

#165 Apr 5, 2013
BBC documentary on faking the Moon landings:

-Skeptic- wrote:
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I yeah, the argument from obviousity, who can disagree eh?
The tool of the snivelling defeated coward. Come on you two balls, take a hike, there are more serious discussions to be had.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#166 Apr 5, 2013
Pahu wrote:
Codes, Programs, and Information 4
All isolated systems, including living organisms, have specific, but perishable, amounts of information. No isolated system has ever been shown to increase its information content significantly (f). Nor do natural processes increase information; they destroy it. Only outside intelligence can significantly increase the information content of an otherwise isolated system. All scientific observations are consistent with this generalization, which has three corollaries:
Macroevolution cannot occur (g).
Outside intelligence was involved in the creation of the universe and all forms of life (h).
Life could not result from a “big bang”(i).
f. Werner Gitt (Professor of Information Systems) describes man as the most complex information processing system on earth. Gitt estimated that about 3×10^24 bits of information are processed daily in an average human body. That is thousands of times more than all the information in all the world’s libraries.[See Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 2nd edition (Bielefeld, Germany: CLV, 2000), p. 88.]
“There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.” Ibid., p. 107.
“If there are more than several dozen nucleotides in a functional sequence, we know that realistically they will never just ‘fall into place.’ This has been mathematically demonstrated repeatedly. But as we will soon see, neither can such a sequence arise randomly one nucleotide at a time. A pre-existing ‘concept’ is required as a framework upon which a sentence or a functional sequence must be built. Such a concept can only pre-exist within the mind of the author.” Sanford, pp. 124–125.
g. Because macroevolution requires increasing complexity through natural processes, the organism’s information content must spontaneously increase many times. However, natural processes cannot significantly increase the information content of an isolated system, such as a reproductive cell. Therefore, macroevolution cannot occur.
“The basic flaw of all evolutionary views is the origin of the information in living beings. It has never been shown that a coding system and semantic information could originate by itself in a material medium, and the information theorems predict that this will never be possible. A purely material origin of life is thus precluded.” Gitt, p. 124.
h. Based on modern advances in the field of information theory, the only known way to decrease the entropy of an isolated system is by having intelligence in that system.[See, for example, Charles H. Bennett,“Demons, Engines and the Second Law,” Scientific American, Vol. 257, November 1987, pp. 108–116.] Because the universe is far from its maximum entropy level, a vast intelligence is the only known means by which the universe could have been brought into being.[See also "Second Law of Thermodynamics"]
i. If the “big bang” occurred, all the matter in the universe was at one time a hot gas. A gas is one of the most random systems known to science. Random, chaotic movements of gas molecules contain virtually no useful information. Because an isolated system, such as the universe, cannot generate nontrivial information, the “big bang” could not produce the complex, living universe we have today, which contains astronomical amounts of useful information.
[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
Why do creationist only believe utter BS and never listen to real scientists?

BTW Walt Brown is completely discredited.

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