Science Disproves Evolution
religionisillnes s

London, UK

#889 Aug 2, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Bwahahah...
I proved you have a double standard for things you want to believe.
You believe black holes, never observed, because someone told you to believe it.
You disbelieve any god, and your standard is to demand direct observation.
I bet you also believe the infinite universe - which is impossible.
You have a religion. It's just a bit different than some others.
Buck & all the creationists here know that Atheism is correct - that is why they feel threatened and have to try to:

1. redefine atheism in a creationist way
2. lie about & reject science & scientific facts.
3. try to use science to support their creationist agenda (yeah we know how f'cked up that is)
4. try to paint atheists are 'militant' or genocidal (no evidence & lots against)
5. try to inject conservative politics into the conversation (worldwide forum)

This is the creationist agenda of Buck, Patrick and others.

Buck's previous name was Educated What - a troll that was banned from the Atheism forum. His story is that he went to prison and converted to creationism there.

When he gets confronted he shouts "bwahahah" - this is the troll's tell.

Now you know who to look for.
religionisillnes s

London, UK

#890 Aug 2, 2014
These trolls deliberately up vote their own posts and down vote atheists unfairly.

This is how they operate - with lies, just like their made up faith.
Patrick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#891 Aug 2, 2014
religionisillness wrote:
These trolls deliberately up vote their own posts and down vote atheists unfairly.
This is how they operate - with lies, just like their made up faith.
Paranoia -"up vote their own posts and down vote atheists unfairly" -
those with a life most often ignore judge its?:-)

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#892 Aug 4, 2014
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>
Paranoia -"up vote their own posts and down vote atheists unfairly" -
those with a life most often ignore judge its?:-)
Most do but buck doesn’t, he gets a vicarious erection from upping his posts and downing everyone who will not bow down to his words of stupidity.

Since: Dec 08

Tarpon Springs, FL

#893 Aug 6, 2014
Genetic Information 3

To produce just the enzymes in one organism would require more than 10^40,000 trials (d).(To begin to understand how large 10^40,000 is, realize that the visible universe has fewer than 10^80 atoms in it.)

In 1972 (e), evolutionists, out of ignorance (f), began referring to large segments of DNA as “junk” DNA, because it supposedly had no purpose and was left over from our evolutionary past. What evolutionists called “junk” DNA is now known to contain millions of switches which regulate gene activity at specific times and in unique ways for each of thousands of different types of cells. Most of the genetic changes that cause disease lie outside the genes and on the 95% of the DNA that evolutionists used to call “junk (g).”

Based on all known experience—scientific or otherwise—information comes only from intelligence. Vast amounts of information require a vast intelligence.

d.“The trouble is that there are about two thousand enzymes, and the chance of obtaining them all in a random trial is only one part in (10^20)2,000 = 10^40,000, an outrageously small probability that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup. If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated on the Earth [by chance or natural processes], this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court.” Hoyle and Wickramasinghe, p. 24.

“Any theory with a probability of being correct that is larger than one part in 10^40,000 must be judged superior to random shuffling [of evolution]. The theory that life was assembled by an intelligence has, we believe, a probability vastly higher than one part in 10^40,000 of being the correct explanation of the many curious facts discussed in preceding chapters. Indeed, such a theory is so obvious that one wonders why it is not widely accepted as being self-evident. The reasons are psychological rather than scientific.” Ibid., p. 130.

After explaining the above to a scientific symposium, Hoyle said that evolution was comparable with the chance that “a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.” Fred Hoyle,“Hoyle on Evolution,” Nature, Vol. 294, 12 November 1981, p. 105.

e. See Susuma Ohno,“So Much ‘Junk’ DNA in Our Genome,” The Brookhaven Symposium on Biology, Vol. 23, 1972, pp. 366–370.

Ohno’s catchy term “junk DNA” stuck and no doubt discouraged a generation of researchers from studying the vast amount of important “junk” DNA that did not code for proteins.(Who wants to study junk?) This is one example of the harm that evolution thinking has done to science. Nevertheless, the thrust of Ohno’s paper made an insightful point: If all the DNA “of man, mice, and other organisms” was useful, so many mutations would accumulate in hundreds of millions of years that those species would become extinct. What Ohno overlooked is that life has not been on earth for hundreds of millions of years. Belief in the supposedly old age of the earth has also been harmful to science.

Non-coding DNA differs more among different species than does protein coding DNA. Had the non-coding DNA received equal attention since 1972, the great dissimilarity between species would have been more apparent.

[continue]

Since: Dec 08

Tarpon Springs, FL

#894 Aug 6, 2014
Genetic Information 3
[continued]

“So whereas if you find a particular protein-coding gene in a human, you’re going to find nearly the same gene in a mouse most of the time, and that rule just doesn’t work for regulatory elements [non-coding DNA].”[See Ewan Birney,“Journey to the Genetic Interior,” Scientific American, Vol. 307, October 2012, p. 82.]

f.“The failure to recognize the importance of introns [so-called junk DNA] may well go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the history of molecular biology.” John S. Mattick, as quoted by W. Wayt Gibbs,“The Unseen Genome: Gems among the Junk,” Scientific American, Vol. 289, November 2003, pp. 49–50.

“What was damned as junk because it was not understood may, in fact, turn out to be the very basis of human complexity.” Ibid., p. 52.

“Noncoding RNAs (ncRNAs)[so-called junk RNA] have been found to have roles in a great variety of processes, including transcription regulation, chromosome replication, RNA processing and modification, messenger RNA stability and translation, and even protein degradation and translocation. Recent studies indicate that ncRNAs are far more abundant and important than initially imagined.” Gisela Storz,“An Expanding Universe of Noncoding RNAs,” Science, Vol. 296, 17 May 2002, p. 1260.

“The term ‘junk DNA’ is a reflection of our ignorance.” Gretchen Vogel,“Why Sequence the Junk?” Science, Vol. 291, 16 February 2001, p. 1184.

“... non-gene sequences [what evolutionists called ‘junk DNA’] have regulatory roles.” John M. Greally,“Encyclopaedia of Humble DNA,” Nature, Vol. 447, 14 June 2007, p. 782.

g. Brendan Maher,“The Human Encyclopedia,” Nature, Vol. 489, 6 September 2012, pp. 46–48.

This issue of Nature contains six of the 30 papers explaining the discoveries of the ENCODE (Encyclopedia of DNA Elements) project, conducted by more than 500 international scientists beginning in 2003. Their discoveries will revolutionize our understanding of the vast complexity of the human genome. The other papers are published in Genome Research and Genome Biology.

Gary Taubes,“RNA Revolution,” Discover, October 2009, pp. 47–52.
[http://www.creationscience.co m/onlinebook/ReferencesandNote s32.html#wp1056004]

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#895 Aug 6, 2014
Pahu wrote:
Genetic Information 3
[continued]
“So whereas if you find a particular protein-coding gene in a human, you’re going to find nearly the same gene in a mouse most of the time, and that rule just doesn’t work for regulatory elements [non-coding DNA].”[See Ewan Birney,“Journey to the Genetic Interior,” Scientific American, Vol. 307, October 2012, p. 82.]
f.“The failure to recognize the importance of introns [so-called junk DNA] may well go down as one of the biggest mistakes in the history of molecular biology.” John S. Mattick, as quoted by W. Wayt Gibbs,“The Unseen Genome: Gems among the Junk,” Scientific American, Vol. 289, November 2003, pp. 49–50.
“What was damned as junk because it was not understood may, in fact, turn out to be the very basis of human complexity.” Ibid., p. 52.
“Noncoding RNAs (ncRNAs)[so-called junk RNA] have been found to have roles in a great variety of processes, including transcription regulation, chromosome replication, RNA processing and modification, messenger RNA stability and translation, and even protein degradation and translocation. Recent studies indicate that ncRNAs are far more abundant and important than initially imagined.” Gisela Storz,“An Expanding Universe of Noncoding RNAs,” Science, Vol. 296, 17 May 2002, p. 1260.
“The term ‘junk DNA’ is a reflection of our ignorance.” Gretchen Vogel,“Why Sequence the Junk?” Science, Vol. 291, 16 February 2001, p. 1184.
“... non-gene sequences [what evolutionists called ‘junk DNA’] have regulatory roles.” John M. Greally,“Encyclopaedia of Humble DNA,” Nature, Vol. 447, 14 June 2007, p. 782.
g. Brendan Maher,“The Human Encyclopedia,” Nature, Vol. 489, 6 September 2012, pp. 46–48.
This issue of Nature contains six of the 30 papers explaining the discoveries of the ENCODE (Encyclopedia of DNA Elements) project, conducted by more than 500 international scientists beginning in 2003. Their discoveries will revolutionize our understanding of the vast complexity of the human genome. The other papers are published in Genome Research and Genome Biology.
Gary Taubes,“RNA Revolution,” Discover, October 2009, pp. 47–52.
[http://www.creationscience.co m/onlinebook/ReferencesandNote s32.html#wp1056004]
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CunningLinguist

Spring Hill, FL

#896 Aug 8, 2014
The thread title alone is ridiculous.

"God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance."
~ Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Since: Dec 08

Tarpon Springs, FL

#897 Aug 13, 2014
Genetic Information 4

The Elephant in the Living Room

Writer George V. Caylor interviewed Sam, a molecular biologist. George asked Sam about his work. Sam said he and his team were scientific “detectives,” working with DNA and tracking down the cause of disease. Here is their published conversation.

G:“Sounds like pretty complicated work.”
S:“You can’t imagine how complicated!”
G:“Try me.”
S:“I’m a bit like an editor, trying to find a spelling mistake inside a document larger than four complete sets of Encyclopedia Britannica. Seventy volumes, thousands and thousands of pages of small print words.”
G:“With the computer power, you can just use ‘spell check’!”
S:“There is no ‘spell check’ because we don’t know yet how the words are supposed to be spelled. We don’t even know for sure which language. And it’s not just the ‘spelling error’ we’re looking for. If any of the punctuation is out of place, or a space out of place, or a grammatical error, we have a mutation that will cause a disease.”
G:“So how do you do it?”
S:“We are learning as we go. We have already ‘read’ over two articles in that encyclopedia, and located some ‘typo’s’. It should get easier as time goes by.”
G:“How did all that information happen to get there?”
S:“Do you mean, did it just happen? Did it evolve?”
G:“Bingo. Do you believe that the information evolved?”
S:“George, nobody I know in my profession truly believes it evolved. It was engineered by ‘genius beyond genius,’ and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book. Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise. A bit like Neil Armstrong believing the moon is made of green cheese. He's been there!”
G:“Have you ever stated that in a public lecture, or in any public writings?”
S:“No. It all just evolved.”
G:“What? You just told me —?”
S:“Just stop right there. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold on to two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don’t believe in evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures—everything would stop. I’d be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn’t earn a decent living.”
G:“I hate to say it, Sam, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.”
S:“The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankind’s worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the ‘elephant in the living room’.”
G:“What elephant?”
S:“Design. It’s like the elephant in the living room. It moves around, takes up an enormous amount of space, loudly trumpets, bumps into us, knocks things over, eats a ton of hay, and smells like an elephant. And yet we have to swear it isn’t there!”
George V. Caylor,“The Biologist,” The Ledger, Vol. 2, Issue 48, No. 92, 1 December 2000, p. 2.( www.ontherightside.com ) Printed with permission.

[http://www.creationscience.co m/onlinebook/LifeSciences38.ht ml#wp4029961]
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#898 Aug 13, 2014
Why do religitards like you keep elephants in their living rooms?
Pahu wrote:
Genetic Information 4
The Elephant in the Living Room
Writer George V. Caylor interviewed Sam, a molecular biologist. George asked Sam about his work. Sam said he and his team were scientific “detectives,” working with DNA and tracking down the cause of disease. Here is their published conversation.
G:“Sounds like pretty complicated work.”
S:“You can’t imagine how complicated!”
G:“Try me.”
S:“I’m a bit like an editor, trying to find a spelling mistake inside a document larger than four complete sets of Encyclopedia Britannica. Seventy volumes, thousands and thousands of pages of small print words.”
G:“With the computer power, you can just use ‘spell check’!”
S:“There is no ‘spell check’ because we don’t know yet how the words are supposed to be spelled. We don’t even know for sure which language. And it’s not just the ‘spelling error’ we’re looking for. If any of the punctuation is out of place, or a space out of place, or a grammatical error, we have a mutation that will cause a disease.”
G:“So how do you do it?”
S:“We are learning as we go. We have already ‘read’ over two articles in that encyclopedia, and located some ‘typo’s’. It should get easier as time goes by.”
G:“How did all that information happen to get there?”
S:“Do you mean, did it just happen? Did it evolve?”
G:“Bingo. Do you believe that the information evolved?”
S:“George, nobody I know in my profession truly believes it evolved. It was engineered by ‘genius beyond genius,’ and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book. Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise. A bit like Neil Armstrong believing the moon is made of green cheese. He's been there!”
G:“Have you ever stated that in a public lecture, or in any public writings?”
S:“No. It all just evolved.”
G:“What? You just told me —?”
S:“Just stop right there. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold on to two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don’t believe in evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures—everything would stop. I’d be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn’t earn a decent living.”
G:“I hate to say it, Sam, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.”
S:“The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankind’s worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the ‘elephant in the living room’.”
G:“What elephant?”
S:“Design. It’s like the elephant in the living room. It moves around, takes up an enormous amount of space, loudly trumpets, bumps into us, knocks things over, eats a ton of hay, and smells like an elephant. And yet we have to swear it isn’t there!”
George V. Caylor,“The Biologist,” The Ledger, Vol. 2, Issue 48, No. 92, 1 December 2000, p. 2.( www.ontherightside.com ) Printed with permission.
[http://www.creationscience.co m/onlinebook/LifeSciences38.ht ml#wp4029961]

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#899 Aug 14, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Why do religitards like you keep elephants in their living rooms?
<quoted text>
Why do retards like him think creationscience,com actually has anything of value to offer? My guess is he is too stupid to consider real science.

And that’s what you will have to put up when you visit the SW states... deliberate ignorance in the name of jesus... You brave people...
Thinking

Sidmouth, UK

#900 Aug 14, 2014
But the SE does have manatees and we will be in our Radio 4 cocoon.
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do retards like him think creationscience,com actually has anything of value to offer? My guess is he is too stupid to consider real science.
And that’s what you will have to put up when you visit the SW states... deliberate ignorance in the name of jesus... You brave people...

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#901 Aug 14, 2014
Thinking wrote:
But the SE does have manatees and we will be in our Radio 4 cocoon.
<quoted text>
True, very true.

Long live IMC
Thinking

Sidmouth, UK

#902 Aug 14, 2014
I was just listening to a recent TIMC with Stephen Fry. Brian's bluntness is hilarious.
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
True, very true.
Long live IMC

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#903 Aug 15, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I was just listening to a recent TIMC with Stephen Fry. Brian's bluntness is hilarious.
<quoted text>
He is what you call – down to earth.

Comparing the two, Stephen seems just a tad frivolous... but I like him, I never get bored with reruns of QI

Thinking

Sidmouth, UK

#904 Aug 15, 2014
I'm seeing "whatsisname" early next year...

There are a couple of people who can wind Fry up by pretending to be so thick it hurts. Sean Lock was sure there was an atmosphere on the Moon comprised of "Moony Air" and he wouldn't let it go. I thought Fry was going to implode with exasperation.
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
He is what you call – down to earth.
Comparing the two, Stephen seems just a tad frivolous... but I like him, I never get bored with reruns of QI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =DmEH8cPvrUUXX

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#905 Aug 15, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I'm seeing "whatsisname" early next year...
There are a couple of people who can wind Fry up by pretending to be so thick it hurts. Sean Lock was sure there was an atmosphere on the Moon comprised of "Moony Air" and he wouldn't let it go. I thought Fry was going to implode with exasperation.
<quoted text>
Whatsisname? You will have to enlighten me. I had a bad night s sleep, Beth has an upset tum, oh the joys of motherhood.

Fry can be quite easily wound up, Alan Davis does it often and Sean Lock is a real windup merchant.
Thinking

Sidmouth, UK

#906 Aug 15, 2014
In the episode you posted, that was how Stephen Fry introduces Ross Noble.
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatsisname? You will have to enlighten me. I had a bad night s sleep, Beth has an upset tum, oh the joys of motherhood.
Fry can be quite easily wound up, Alan Davis does it often and Sean Lock is a real windup merchant.
CunningLinguist

Gainesville, FL

#907 Aug 15, 2014
religionisillness wrote:
<quoted text>
Buck & all the creationists here know that Atheism is correct - that is why they feel threatened and have to try to:
1. redefine atheism in a creationist way
2. lie about & reject science & scientific facts.
3. try to use science to support their creationist agenda (yeah we know how f'cked up that is)
4. try to paint atheists are 'militant' or genocidal (no evidence & lots against)
5. try to inject conservative politics into the conversation (worldwide forum)
This is the creationist agenda of Buck, Patrick and others.
Buck's previous name was Educated What - a troll that was banned from the Atheism forum. His story is that he went to prison and converted to creationism there.
When he gets confronted he shouts "bwahahah" - this is the troll's tell.
Now you know who to look for.
Interesting observation!

I dismissed Buck et. al. as I do others that I find boring, reality challenged, allergic to truth, and thus pointless to 'reply to'.

I do find enjoyment in replying sarcastically about people I've dismissed with others.:-/

Why just the mention of their name drives them into a posting frenzy. Too funny!

I am an equal opportunity skeptic.
I find all religions to be nothing more than organized superstition for both control and profit.
I post my opinion and comment.

You can tell whether a person is clever their answers.
You can tell whether a person is wise by their questions.

Creationists fail in both categories.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#908 Aug 15, 2014
Thinking wrote:
In the episode you posted, that was how Stephen Fry introduces Ross Noble.
<quoted text>
Ahhh right... doh...

Quite a character, you should enjoy.

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