Science Disproves Evolution

Since: Dec 08

Palm Harbor, FL

#822 Jul 9, 2014
Genetic Distances 2

DNA and RNA. Comparisons can be made between the genetic material of different organisms. The list of organisms that have had all their genes sequenced and entered in databases, such as “GenBank,” is doubling each year. Computer comparisons of each gene with all other genes in the database show too many genes that are completely unrelated genes (d). Therefore, an evolutionary relationship between genes is highly unlikely. Furthermore, there is no trace at the molecular level for the traditional evolutionary series:(e) simple sea life, fish, amphibians, reptiles, mammals. Each category of organism appears to be almost equally isolated (f).

(d). Gregory J. Brewer,“The Imminent Death of Darwinism and the Rise of Intelligent Design,” ICR Impact, No. 341, November 2001, pp. 1–4.
Field, pp. 748–753.

(e). Denton, p. 285.

(f).“The really significant finding that comes to light from comparing the proteins’ amino acid sequences is that it is impossible to arrange them in any sort of evolutionary series.” Ibid. p. 289.

“Thousands of different sequences, protein and nucleic acid, have now been compared in hundreds of different species but never has any sequence been found to be in any sense the lineal descendant or ancestor of any other sequence.” Ibid. pp. 289–290.

“Each class at a molecular level is unique, isolated and unlinked by intermediates. Thus molecules, like fossils, have failed to provide the elusive intermediates so long sought by evolutionary biology.” Ibid. p. 290.

“There is little doubt that if this molecular evidence had been available one century ago it would have been seized upon with devastating effect by the opponents of evolution theory like Agassiz and Owen, and the idea of organic evolution might never have been accepted.” Ibid. pp. 290–291.

“In terms of their biochemistry, none of the species deemed ‘intermediate’,‘ancestral’ or ‘primitive’ by generations of evolutionary biologists, and alluded to as evidence of sequence in nature, show any sign of their supposed intermediate status.” Ibid., p. 293.

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“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#823 Jul 9, 2014
Pahu wrote:
Genetic Distances 2
DNA and RNA. Comparisons can be made between the genetic material of different organisms. The list of organisms that have had all their genes sequenced and entered in databases, such as “GenBank,” is doubling each year. Computer comparisons of each gene with all other genes in the database show too many genes that are completely unrelated genes (d). Therefore, an evolutionary relationship between genes is highly unlikely. Furthermore, there is no trace at the molecular level for the traditional evolutionary series:(e) simple sea life, fish, amphibians, reptiles, mammals. Each category of organism appears to be almost equally isolated (f).
(d). Gregory J. Brewer,“The Imminent Death of Darwinism and the Rise of Intelligent Design,” ICR Impact, No. 341, November 2001, pp. 1–4.
Field, pp. 748–753.
(e). Denton, p. 285.
(f).“The really significant finding that comes to light from comparing the proteins’ amino acid sequences is that it is impossible to arrange them in any sort of evolutionary series.” Ibid. p. 289.
“Thousands of different sequences, protein and nucleic acid, have now been compared in hundreds of different species but never has any sequence been found to be in any sense the lineal descendant or ancestor of any other sequence.” Ibid. pp. 289–290.
“Each class at a molecular level is unique, isolated and unlinked by intermediates. Thus molecules, like fossils, have failed to provide the elusive intermediates so long sought by evolutionary biology.” Ibid. p. 290.
“There is little doubt that if this molecular evidence had been available one century ago it would have been seized upon with devastating effect by the opponents of evolution theory like Agassiz and Owen, and the idea of organic evolution might never have been accepted.” Ibid. pp. 290–291.
“In terms of their biochemistry, none of the species deemed ‘intermediate’,‘ancestral’ or ‘primitive’ by generations of evolutionary biologists, and alluded to as evidence of sequence in nature, show any sign of their supposed intermediate status.” Ibid., p. 293.
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More irrelevant ignorance and lies copied and pasted from an irrelevant site and written by a discredited godbot of little intelligence and posted by a deliberately ignorant godbot of even less intelligence

P.S, the site name itself http://www.creationscience.com/ is an oxymoron

Since: Dec 08

Palm Harbor, FL

#824 Jul 16, 2014
Humans vs. Chimpanzees. Evolutionists say the chimpanzee is the closest living relative to humans. For two decades (1984–2004), evolutionists and the media claimed that human DNA is about 99% similar to chimpanzee DNA. These false statements had little scientific justification, because they were made before anyone had completed the sequencing of human DNA and long before the sequencing of chimpanzee DNA had begun.

Chimpanzee and human DNA have now been completely sequenced and compared. The overall differences, which are far greater and more complicated than evolutionists suspected (g), include about “thirty-five million single-nucleotide changes, five million insertions or deletions, and various chromosomal rearrangements (h).” Although only 4% of human and chimpanzee DNA differ, those critical differences amount to a vast chasm.

Moreover, differences between the male portion of the human and chimpanzee sex chromosome are huge! More than 30% of those sequences, in either the human or the chimpanzee, do not match the other at all, and those that do, contain massive rearrangements (i). The genetic differences are comparable to those between the nonsex chromosomes in chickens and humans (j). Also, humans shuffle male and female DNA to their offspring in different ways than chimpanzees (k).

Finally, evolutionary trees, based on the outward appearance of organisms, can now be compared with the organisms’ genetic information. They conflict in major ways (l).

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Since: Dec 08

Palm Harbor, FL

#825 Jul 16, 2014
Genetic Distances 3

[continued]

g. After sequencing just the first chimpanzee chromosome, surprises were apparent.

“Surprisingly, though, nearly 68,000 stretches of DNA do differ to some degree between the two species…Extra sections of about 300 nucleotides showed up primarily in the human chromosome…Extra sections of other sizes—some as long as 54,000 nucleotides—appear in both species.” Bruce Bower,“Chimp DNA Yields Complex Surprises,” Science News, Vol. 165, 12 June 2004, p. 382.

“Indeed, 83% of the 231 coding sequences, including functionally important genes, show differences [even] at the amino acid sequence level….the biological consequences due to the genetic differences are much more complicated than previously speculated.” H. Watanabe et al.,“DNA Sequence and Comparative Analysis of Chimpanzee Chromosome 22,” Nature, Vol. 429, 27 May 2004, pp. 382, 387.

h. Tarjei S. Mikkelsen et al.,“Initial Sequence of the Chimpanzee Genome and Comparison with the Human Genome,” Nature, Vol. 437, 1 September 2005, p. 69.

i.“Surprisingly, however, >30% of chimpanzee MSY [male-specific portion of the Y chromosome] sequence has no homologous, alignable counterpart in the human MSY, and vice versa.... Moreover, the MSY sequences retained in both lineages have been extraordinarily subject to rearrangement...” Jennifer F. Hughes et al.,“Chimpanzee and Human Y Chromosomes Are Remarkably Divergent in Structure and Gene Content,” Nature, Vol. 463, 28 January 2010, p. 537.

j.“... the difference in MSY gene content in chimpanzee and human is more comparable to the difference in autosomal gene content in chicken and human, at 310 million years of separation.” Ibid. p. 538.

k.“Studying human and Western chimpanzees, we found no hotspot sharing between the two species,” Adam Auton et al.,“A fine-Scale Chimpanzee Genetic Map from Population Sequencing,” Science, Vol. 336, 13 April 2012, p. 196.

“Chimpanzees’ shuffling pattern is similar to that seen in some previously studied organisms, while the human pattern is unusual...” Gil McVean, as quoted by Tina Hesman Saey,“Going Ape Offers Better Family Tree,” Science News, Vol. 181, 21 April 2012, p. 16.

l.“Instead, the comparisons [using DNA] have yielded many versions of the tree of life that differ from the rRNA tree and conflict with each other as well.” Elizabeth Pennisi,“Is It Time to Uproot the Tree of Life?” Science, Vol. 284, 21 May 1999, p. 1305.

“We are left with a conundrum.[Evolutionary trees based on bodily characteristics (morphology) differ from trees based on genetics.]” Jonathan B. Losos et al.,“Who Speaks with a Forked Tongue?” Science, Vol. 338, 14 December 2012, p. 1429.

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“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#826 Jul 16, 2014
Pahu wrote:
Humans vs. Chimpanzees. Evolutionists say the chimpanzee is the closest living relative to humans. For two decades (1984–2004), evolutionists and the media claimed that human DNA is about 99% similar to chimpanzee DNA. These false statements had little scientific justification, because they were made before anyone had completed the sequencing of human DNA and long before the sequencing of chimpanzee DNA had begun.
Chimpanzee and human DNA have now been completely sequenced and compared. The overall differences, which are far greater and more complicated than evolutionists suspected (g), include about “thirty-five million single-nucleotide changes, five million insertions or deletions, and various chromosomal rearrangements (h).” Although only 4% of human and chimpanzee DNA differ, those critical differences amount to a vast chasm.
Moreover, differences between the male portion of the human and chimpanzee sex chromosome are huge! More than 30% of those sequences, in either the human or the chimpanzee, do not match the other at all, and those that do, contain massive rearrangements (i). The genetic differences are comparable to those between the nonsex chromosomes in chickens and humans (j). Also, humans shuffle male and female DNA to their offspring in different ways than chimpanzees (k).
Finally, evolutionary trees, based on the outward appearance of organisms, can now be compared with the organisms’ genetic information. They conflict in major ways (l).
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More copy and paste mumbo jumbo lies?

Why do prats like you need to lie? Does it sexually excite you? Do you get some perverted high from lying?

Not false statements – DNA repeatedly proves it right from the very beginnings of DNA analysis to modern techniques that are far more accurate. DNA does not need to be sequenced to show comparison, a look at the PR graphic is all that is needed, it is a simple test. That same DNA that you are 100% convinced is accurate when you are condemning a criminal yet 0% convince is accurate when you have to lie to advertise your myth that god dunitwiv magic

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#827 Jul 16, 2014
Pahu wrote:
Genetic Distances 3
[continued]
g. After sequencing just the first chimpanzee chromosome, surprises were apparent.
“Surprisingly, though, nearly 68,000 stretches of DNA do differ to some degree between the two species…Extra sections of about 300 nucleotides showed up primarily in the human chromosome…Extra sections of other sizes—some as long as 54,000 nucleotides—appear in both species.” Bruce Bower,“Chimp DNA Yields Complex Surprises,” Science News, Vol. 165, 12 June 2004, p. 382.
“Indeed, 83% of the 231 coding sequences, including functionally important genes, show differences [even] at the amino acid sequence level….the biological consequences due to the genetic differences are much more complicated than previously speculated.” H. Watanabe et al.,“DNA Sequence and Comparative Analysis of Chimpanzee Chromosome 22,” Nature, Vol. 429, 27 May 2004, pp. 382, 387.
h. Tarjei S. Mikkelsen et al.,“Initial Sequence of the Chimpanzee Genome and Comparison with the Human Genome,” Nature, Vol. 437, 1 September 2005, p. 69.
i.“Surprisingly, however, >30% of chimpanzee MSY [male-specific portion of the Y chromosome] sequence has no homologous, alignable counterpart in the human MSY, and vice versa.... Moreover, the MSY sequences retained in both lineages have been extraordinarily subject to rearrangement...” Jennifer F. Hughes et al.,“Chimpanzee and Human Y Chromosomes Are Remarkably Divergent in Structure and Gene Content,” Nature, Vol. 463, 28 January 2010, p. 537.
j.“... the difference in MSY gene content in chimpanzee and human is more comparable to the difference in autosomal gene content in chicken and human, at 310 million years of separation.” Ibid. p. 538.
k.“Studying human and Western chimpanzees, we found no hotspot sharing between the two species,” Adam Auton et al.,“A fine-Scale Chimpanzee Genetic Map from Population Sequencing,” Science, Vol. 336, 13 April 2012, p. 196.
“Chimpanzees’ shuffling pattern is similar to that seen in some previously studied organisms, while the human pattern is unusual...” Gil McVean, as quoted by Tina Hesman Saey,“Going Ape Offers Better Family Tree,” Science News, Vol. 181, 21 April 2012, p. 16.
l.“Instead, the comparisons [using DNA] have yielded many versions of the tree of life that differ from the rRNA tree and conflict with each other as well.” Elizabeth Pennisi,“Is It Time to Uproot the Tree of Life?” Science, Vol. 284, 21 May 1999, p. 1305.
“We are left with a conundrum.[Evolutionary trees based on bodily characteristics (morphology) differ from trees based on genetics.]” Jonathan B. Losos et al.,“Who Speaks with a Forked Tongue?” Science, Vol. 338, 14 December 2012, p. 1429.
[http://www.creationscience.co m/onlinebook/ReferencesandNote s31.html#wp1057949]
Why do you need to promote lies to show your faith?

Do you realise that you believe in your god, that your god abhors lies yet you must lie to show you believe in you god.

It really is a rather childish and self defeating strategy.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#828 Jul 17, 2014
If Puck Frick could win an argument, how come he says he's in prison all the time?
Prison: one of the few last bastions of the believer.
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so intent on dissing me that you did not read my response did you?– jeez what a moron you are. I never mentioned the size of infinity, infinity can be infinitely large or infinitely small. What I did mention was the size of the computer – you dumbo.
<quoted text>
And something stupid would be thick and something thick is not necessarily stupid – right?
You have of course either ignored the data obtained by WMAP or you ly ignore it, my guess is that you ignore it because it fooks with your god dunitwiv magic dream.
Nope, Poly did not loose the argument with you, you simply stomped your foot, ignored the reality and claimed you were right because you said so as is the butt crack way. More or less in the same way you stomp your feet, make up BS and lies about what I said and what I didn’t say and claim you are right because you are the bully.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#829 Jul 17, 2014
You're wrong, Puck Frick.
Buck Crick wrote:
IF INFINITY WERE REAL,....HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR AN APPLE TO FALL FROM A TREE TO THE GROUND?
Answer: It could never fall.
Explanation: For an apple to fall from a limb, and the distance to the ground being divisible into infinite segments of length, no finite amount of time would allow the apple to reach the ground, because traversing infinite lengths of distance of any size would take forever and longer - it could not be traversed in finite time.
Further, when it broke free from the tree, the apple would simply float in the air forever. This is because the first movement over distance could also be divided into infinite segments, so for the same reason, the first visible movement would never be able to be witnessed.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#830 Jul 17, 2014
You talk through both, Puck Frick.
Buck Crick wrote:
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In which hemisphere?

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#831 Jul 17, 2014
Thinking wrote:
You talk through both, Puck Frick.
<quoted text>
I have a knuckle-sandwich with your name on it, Tinkling.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#832 Jul 17, 2014
Calm down, dear.

Like most religitards, you're only tough when you're on the other end of the internet.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a knuckle-sandwich with your name on it, Tinkling.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#833 Jul 17, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Calm down, dear.
Like most religitards, you're only tough when you're on the other end of the internet.
<quoted text>
Yeah. Lucky for me we have infinite distance between us.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#834 Jul 17, 2014
Now you accept infinity exists.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah. Lucky for me we have infinite distance between us.
Patrick

Palm Beach Gardens, FL

#835 Jul 17, 2014
Pope Francis

Immigrants "continue to be the subject of racist and xenophobic attitudes" said the pontiff, as the U.S. struggles to deal with a wave of unaccompanied child migrants at its southern border

The Pope has called for tens of thousands of unaccompanied child migrants to be “welcomed and protected” as they attempt to enter the U.S. from Central America and Mexico.

In a letter read Monday at a Vatican conference in Mexico City on human migration and development, Pope Francis said migration “has now become a hallmark of our society and a challenge.”

The Vatican Radio translation continues with the Pope noting:“Many people forced to emigrate suffer, and often die, tragically; many of their rights are violated, they are obliged to separate from their families and, unfortunately, continue to be the subject of racist and xenophobic attitudes.”

The pontiff calls on nations to become more welcoming towards migrants, singling out the increasing numbers of children who migrate alone as deserving special care and attention.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#836 Jul 18, 2014
Thinking wrote:
If Puck Frick could win an argument, how come he says he's in prison all the time?
Prison: one of the few last bastions of the believer.
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Good day to you good sir, are you back? And did you enjoy?

I’ll be of off France next week to watch the tour. It was cheaper going to France for a week than driving 60 miles to Yorkshire and staying in a hotel for two nights. I may even pop up to Paris for a day to see the end.

True butt crack can’t win, can’t break even and can’t even give up the game. And I notice that a couple of posts later (#831) he resorts to empty threats, a sure sign of an imbecile ranting for attention.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#837 Jul 18, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Good day to you good sir, are you back? And did you enjoy?
I’ll be of off France next week to watch the tour. It was cheaper going to France for a week than driving 60 miles to Yorkshire and staying in a hotel for two nights. I may even pop up to Paris for a day to see the end.
True butt crack can’t win, can’t break even and can’t even give up the game. And I notice that a couple of posts later (#831) he resorts to empty threats, a sure sign of an imbecile ranting for attention.
I should aspire to the high road you take - as in "butt crack" and "imbecile".

Bwahahahahahahahahahhahahaa...

You are such a delight to ridicule.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#838 Jul 18, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I should aspire to the high road you take - as in "butt crack" and "imbecile".
Bwahahahahahahahahahhahahaa...
You are such a delight to ridicule.
You don’t even realise you are ridiculing yourself

"butt crack the imbecile".
Thinking

Poole, UK

#839 Jul 18, 2014
We had a fantastic time kind lady. I even managed not to find out about Lewis' win before I got to watch the recording on Wednesday. Hope you enjoyed Silverstone. Despite the delays, and the loss of a Mercedes scrap, it was a good result and the atmosphere must have been great.

Highlights for our trip were many. We got our Landcruiser stuck in sand in the dark in the bush, surrounded by bemused elephants and hippos. The Botswanan army towed us out! We took about 7000 photos (I say we, but I mean she) using a Nikon D800 with a paparazzi lens. Found a lioness with cubs on the side of a lake, a cheetah stalking pray, a leopard (elusive) and literally hundred of elephants. A few dozen came right through our camp so you get great pictures without getting out of the chair. I really recommend Botswana, it's my favourite sub-Saharan country now - Namibia being my previous favourite.

Enjoy la belle France! The English spoken there will be of a higher quality than in Geoffrey Boycottland.
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Good day to you good sir, are you back? And did you enjoy?
I’ll be of off France next week to watch the tour. It was cheaper going to France for a week than driving 60 miles to Yorkshire and staying in a hotel for two nights. I may even pop up to Paris for a day to see the end.
True butt crack can’t win, can’t break even and can’t even give up the game. And I notice that a couple of posts later (#831) he resorts to empty threats, a sure sign of an imbecile ranting for attention.
Patrick

Mobile, AL

#840 Jul 18, 2014
In a phone call to President Shimon Peres, Pope Francis expressed his concern for the lives of innocent civilians in the ongoing conflict in Israel and the Gaza Strip.

Peres assured the pope that Israel is doing everything it can to find a peaceful solution and that terrorist entities and extremists bear responsibility for the current suffering in Gaza.

"The residents of Gaza are not our enemies and we don't want to see them suffer. Gazans themselves did not choose the situations they are currently in," Peres told the Pope adding that, "The purpose of our work is to put an end to the tactics which terrorists have developed - rockets in the sky and tunnels under the ground. In recent days Israel has discovered two underground tunnels which allowed terrorists to reach into the heart of towns and kill civilians indiscriminately."

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#841 Jul 18, 2014
Thinking wrote:
We had a fantastic time kind lady. I even managed not to find out about Lewis' win before I got to watch the recording on Wednesday. Hope you enjoyed Silverstone. Despite the delays, and the loss of a Mercedes scrap, it was a good result and the atmosphere must have been great.
Highlights for our trip were many. We got our Landcruiser stuck in sand in the dark in the bush, surrounded by bemused elephants and hippos. The Botswanan army towed us out! We took about 7000 photos (I say we, but I mean she) using a Nikon D800 with a paparazzi lens. Found a lioness with cubs on the side of a lake, a cheetah stalking pray, a leopard (elusive) and literally hundred of elephants. A few dozen came right through our camp so you get great pictures without getting out of the chair. I really recommend Botswana, it's my favourite sub-Saharan country now - Namibia being my previous favourite.
Enjoy la belle France! The English spoken there will be of a higher quality than in Geoffrey Boycottland.
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Glad you enjoyed it.

Went to Ghana a few years ago and had elephants trooping through the village,… kind of big ain’t they… but so delicate in the way they move. We didn’t go on safari but did see a few animals in the 8 miles between the village and Accra. My biggest joy was a couple of years later, swimming with whale sharks off Chennai, India.

Yes, you need a long lens one to take good picks in a land so vast. But I think it’s kind of cheating, you sneak up without even moving. I have a Nikon something with a 24x optical zoom, that’s as good as it gets for me

The race was – good and the result was better, kind of back to being a Hamilton fan now, despite the fact that he jumped the sinking ship…LOL

There is not much English spoken where we are, there is a couple of Americans and a English girl. Other than that it’s French with a smattering of Dutch. We do have fun sipping morning petit café au lait (closest I can get to macchiato) and watching the Americans trying to communicate at Sarlat market. They get louder and louder then eventually storm off muttering about why can’t the French speak earn English. Funny thing is the olive merchant is actually Texan. I only learned last visit when I was asking for ‘deux cent grammes d’olives à l'ail’ and he burst out laughing at my accent and said in broad Texan –“Wow English speakers talking French, I’m shocked”

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