Since: Dec 08

Palm Harbor, FL

#659 Nov 13, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you just pull out the Watchmaker analogy?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CI/CI100.h...
No, but your claim CI100 from the TalkOrigns Archive is refuted here:

http://creationwiki.org/Design_is_detectable

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#660 Nov 13, 2013
Pahu wrote:
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 1
Frequently, fossils are not vertically sequenced in the assumed evolutionary order (a).
a. Walter E. Lammerts has published eight lists totaling almost 200 wrong-order formations in the United States alone.[See “Recorded Instances of Wrong-Order Formations or Presumed Overthrusts in the United States: Parts I–VIII,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, September 1984, p. 88; December 1984, p. 150; March 1985, p. 200; December 1985, p. 127; March 1986, p. 188; June 1986, p. 38; December 1986, p. 133; and June 1987, p. 46.]
“In the fossil record, we are faced with many sequences of change: modifications over time from A to B to C to D can be documented and a plausible Darwinian interpretation can often be made after seeing the sequence. But the predictive (or postdictive) power of theory is almost nil.” David M. Raup,“Evolution and the Fossil Record, Science, Vol. 213, 17 July 1981, p. 289.
“Fossil discoveries can muddle our attempts to construct simple evolutionary trees—fossils from key periods are often not intermediates, but rather hodgepodges of defining features of many different groups.” Neil Shubin,“Evolutionary Cut and Paste,” Nature, Vol. 394, 2 July 1998, p. 12.
[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
its because you are mentally ill, that you deny the fact of evolution.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#661 Nov 13, 2013
Pahu wrote:
<quoted text>
No, but your claim CI100 from the TalkOrigns Archive is refuted here:
http://creationwiki.org/Design_is_detectable
"creationwiki" is a Liar For Jewsus website--**nothing** it says is factual in any way.

But that's okay, right?

It is just **fine** to **lie**-- so long as you get more converts to Jewsus?

Right?

Because, you know, Jesus lied all the time, in the bible, right?

.... RIGHT?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#662 Nov 13, 2013

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#663 Nov 13, 2013
Pahu wrote:
<quoted text>
No, but your claim CI100 from the TalkOrigns Archive is refuted here:
http://creationwiki.org/Design_is_detectable
From your own link:

"Source: Paley, William, 1802. Natural Theology: or, Evidences of the Existence and Attributes of the Deity. London: J. Faulder. Davis, Percival and Dean H. Kenyon, 1989. Of Pandas and People: The Central Question of Biological Origins (2nd ed.). Dallas, TX: Haughton. "

Take note of the first source of 1802 and the last "Of Pandas and People."

Perhaps you just might figure out what's wrong there. A small hint for the last - Dover, PA.

Since: Dec 08

Tarpon Springs, FL

#664 Nov 21, 2013
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 2

In Uzbekistan, 86 consecutive hoofprints of horses were found in rocks dating back to the dinosaurs (b). A leading authority on the Grand Canyon published photographs of horselike hoofprints visible in rocks that, according to the theory of evolution, predate hoofed animals by more than 100 million years (c). Dinosaur and humanlike footprints were found together in Turkmenistan (d) and Arizona (e).

b. Y. Kruzhilin and V. Ovcharov,“A Horse from the Dinosaur Epoch?” Moskovskaya Pravda [Moscow Truth], 5 February 1984.

c. Edwin D. McKee, The Supai Group of Grand Canyon, Geological Survey Professional Paper 1173 (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1982), pp. 93–96, 100.

d. Alexander Romashko,“Tracking Dinosaurs,” Moscow News, No. 24, 1983, p. 10.[For an alternate but equivalent translation published by an anti-creationist organization, see Frank Zindler,“Man—A Contemporary of the Dinosaurs?” Creation/Evolution, Vol. 6, No. 1, 1986, pp. 28–29.]

e. Paul O. Rosnau et al.,“Are Human and Mammal Tracks Found Together with the Tracks of Dinosaurs in the Kayenta of Arizona?” Parts I and II, Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 26, September 1989, pp. 41–48 and December 1989, pp. 77–98.

Jeremy Auldaney et al.,“More Human-Like Track Impressions Found with the Tracks of Dinosaurs in the Kayenta Formation at Tuba City Arizona,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 34, December 1997, pp. 133–146 and back cover.

[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#665 Nov 21, 2013
Pahu wrote:
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 2
In Uzbekistan, 86 consecutive hoofprints of horses were found in rocks dating back to the dinosaurs (b). A leading authority on the Grand Canyon published photographs of horselike hoofprints visible in rocks that, according to the theory of evolution, predate hoofed animals by more than 100 million years (c). Dinosaur and humanlike footprints were found together in Turkmenistan (d) and Arizona (e).
b. Y. Kruzhilin and V. Ovcharov,“A Horse from the Dinosaur Epoch?” Moskovskaya Pravda [Moscow Truth], 5 February 1984.
c. Edwin D. McKee, The Supai Group of Grand Canyon, Geological Survey Professional Paper 1173 (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1982), pp. 93–96, 100.
d. Alexander Romashko,“Tracking Dinosaurs,” Moscow News, No. 24, 1983, p. 10.[For an alternate but equivalent translation published by an anti-creationist organization, see Frank Zindler,“Man—A Contemporary of the Dinosaurs?” Creation/Evolution, Vol. 6, No. 1, 1986, pp. 28–29.]
e. Paul O. Rosnau et al.,“Are Human and Mammal Tracks Found Together with the Tracks of Dinosaurs in the Kayenta of Arizona?” Parts I and II, Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 26, September 1989, pp. 41–48 and December 1989, pp. 77–98.
Jeremy Auldaney et al.,“More Human-Like Track Impressions Found with the Tracks of Dinosaurs in the Kayenta Formation at Tuba City Arizona,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 34, December 1997, pp. 133–146 and back cover.
[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
More convoluted and doltish ramblings, this time, using the erroneous work of Walt Brown.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#666 Nov 21, 2013
Put 'em back in order, you dozy vandal.
Pahu wrote:
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 2
In Uzbekistan, 86 consecutive hoofprints of horses were found in rocks dating back to the dinosaurs (b). A leading authority on the Grand Canyon published photographs of horselike hoofprints visible in rocks that, according to the theory of evolution, predate hoofed animals by more than 100 million years (c). Dinosaur and humanlike footprints were found together in Turkmenistan (d) and Arizona (e).
b. Y. Kruzhilin and V. Ovcharov,“A Horse from the Dinosaur Epoch?” Moskovskaya Pravda [Moscow Truth], 5 February 1984.
c. Edwin D. McKee, The Supai Group of Grand Canyon, Geological Survey Professional Paper 1173 (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1982), pp. 93–96, 100.
d. Alexander Romashko,“Tracking Dinosaurs,” Moscow News, No. 24, 1983, p. 10.[For an alternate but equivalent translation published by an anti-creationist organization, see Frank Zindler,“Man—A Contemporary of the Dinosaurs?” Creation/Evolution, Vol. 6, No. 1, 1986, pp. 28–29.]
e. Paul O. Rosnau et al.,“Are Human and Mammal Tracks Found Together with the Tracks of Dinosaurs in the Kayenta of Arizona?” Parts I and II, Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 26, September 1989, pp. 41–48 and December 1989, pp. 77–98.
Jeremy Auldaney et al.,“More Human-Like Track Impressions Found with the Tracks of Dinosaurs in the Kayenta Formation at Tuba City Arizona,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 34, December 1997, pp. 133–146 and back cover.
[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
Siro

Sydney, Australia

#667 Nov 21, 2013
Pahu has put forward a case that is backed up by evidence
You all say that he is mentally ill

I asked for evidence of evolution, this you refuse to offer.
And then you call me mentally ill.

Topix atheists is just another term for marxists.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#668 Nov 21, 2013
siro enjoys pahu's lying dribble dripping into his retard maw.
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
More convoluted and doltish ramblings, this time, using the erroneous work of Walt Brown.

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#669 Nov 21, 2013
Siro wrote:
Pahu has put forward a case that is backed up by evidence
You all say that he is mentally ill
I asked for evidence of evolution, this you refuse to offer.
And then you call me mentally ill.
Topix atheists is just another term for marxists.
http://www.talkorigins.org/
Siro

Sydney, Australia

#670 Nov 21, 2013
greymouser wrote:
From that site....
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconcep...

"Lack of proof isn't a weakness, either. On the contrary, claiming infallibility for one's conclusions is a sign of hubris. Nothing in the real world has ever been rigorously proved, or ever will be. Proof, in the mathematical sense, is possible only if you have the luxury of defining the universe you're operating in. In the real world, we must deal with levels of certainty based on observed evidence. The more and better evidence we have for something, the more certainty we assign to it; when there is enough evidence, we label the something a fact, even though it still isn't 100% certain."

This is hipster babble, though the rest of that page seems more elitist and pompous
That site seems to be run by university yuppie hedge fund kids
Why dont they explain things in common English?

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#671 Nov 21, 2013
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
From that site....
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconcep...
"Lack of proof isn't a weakness, either. On the contrary, claiming infallibility for one's conclusions is a sign of hubris. Nothing in the real world has ever been rigorously proved, or ever will be. Proof, in the mathematical sense, is possible only if you have the luxury of defining the universe you're operating in. In the real world, we must deal with levels of certainty based on observed evidence. The more and better evidence we have for something, the more certainty we assign to it; when there is enough evidence, we label the something a fact, even though it still isn't 100% certain."
This is hipster babble, though the rest of that page seems more elitist and pompous
That site seems to be run by university yuppie hedge fund kids
Why dont they explain things in common English?
G'day mate!

Love to chat with you but your roo is knocking on my door asking me about your koala sheila.

No worries.

I'm covering your back just like we do every weekend.

I promise I'll do a reach around this week.

I know I've promised that for decades, but trust me. This time it'll happen.
olasonn

Harstad, Norway

#672 Nov 22, 2013
Siro wrote:
Why dont they explain things in common English?
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean others don't.
Check out the site in detail and make sure to check the references.

Since: Dec 08

Palm Harbor, FL

#674 Dec 5, 2013
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 3

Sometimes, land animals, flying animals, and marine animals are fossilized side-by-side in the same rock (f). Dinosaur, whale, elephant, horse, and other fossils, plus crude human tools, have reportedly been found in phosphate beds in South Carolina (g). Coal beds contain round, black lumps called coal balls, some of which contain flowering plants that allegedly evolved 100 million years after the coal bed was formed (h).

f. Andrew Snelling,“Fossil Bluff,” Ex Nihilo, Vol. 7, March 1985, p. 8.

Carol Armstrong,“Florida Fossils Puzzle the Experts,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 21, March 1985, pp. 198–199.

Pat Shipman,“Dumping on Science,” Discover, December 1987, p. 64.

g. Francis S. Holmes, Phosphate Rocks of South Carolina and the “Great Carolina Marl Bed”(Charleston, South Carolina: Holmes’ Book House, 1870).

Edward J. Nolan,“Remarks on Fossils from the Ashley Phosphate Beds,” Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia, 1876, pp. 80–81.

John Watson did extensive library research on the relatively unknown fossil discoveries in these beds. Their vast content of bones provides the rich phosphate content. Personal communications, 1992.

h. A. C. Noé,“A Paleozoic Angiosperm,” Journal of Geology, Vol. 31, May–June 1923, pp. 344–347.

[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#675 Dec 5, 2013
You're a very silly man.
Pahu wrote:
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 3
Sometimes, land animals, flying animals, and marine animals are fossilized side-by-side in the same rock (f). Dinosaur, whale, elephant, horse, and other fossils, plus crude human tools, have reportedly been found in phosphate beds in South Carolina (g). Coal beds contain round, black lumps called coal balls, some of which contain flowering plants that allegedly evolved 100 million years after the coal bed was formed (h).
f. Andrew Snelling,“Fossil Bluff,” Ex Nihilo, Vol. 7, March 1985, p. 8.
Carol Armstrong,“Florida Fossils Puzzle the Experts,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 21, March 1985, pp. 198–199.
Pat Shipman,“Dumping on Science,” Discover, December 1987, p. 64.
g. Francis S. Holmes, Phosphate Rocks of South Carolina and the “Great Carolina Marl Bed”(Charleston, South Carolina: Holmes’ Book House, 1870).
Edward J. Nolan,“Remarks on Fossils from the Ashley Phosphate Beds,” Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia, 1876, pp. 80–81.
John Watson did extensive library research on the relatively unknown fossil discoveries in these beds. Their vast content of bones provides the rich phosphate content. Personal communications, 1992.
h. A. C. Noé,“A Paleozoic Angiosperm,” Journal of Geology, Vol. 31, May–June 1923, pp. 344–347.
[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

Since: Dec 08

Palm Harbor, FL

#676 Dec 18, 2013
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 4

Amber, found in Illinois coal beds, contain chemical signatures showing that the amber came from flowering plants, but flowering plants supposedly evolved 170 million years after the coal formed.i In the Grand Canyon, in Venezuela, in Kashmir, and in Guyana, spores of ferns and pollen from flowering plants are found in Cambrianj rocks—rocks supposedly deposited before flowering plants evolved. Pollen has also been found in Precambriank rocks deposited before life allegedly evolved.
Petrified trees in Arizona’s Petrified Forest National Park contain fossilized nests of bees and cocoons of wasps. The petrified forests are reputedly 220 million years old, while bees (and flowering plants, which bees require) supposedly evolved almost 100 million years later.lPollinating insects and fossil flies, with long, well-developed tubes for sucking nectar from flowers, are dated 25 million years before flowers are assumed to have evolved.m Most evolutionists and textbooks systematically ignore discoveries which conflict with the evolutionary time scale.

Figure 12: Insect in Amber. The best-preserved fossils are encased in amber, protected from air and water, and buried in the ground. Amber, a golden resin (similar to sap or pitch) usually from conifer trees, such as pines, may also contain other preservatives. Significantly, no transitional forms of life have been found in amber, despite evolutionary-based ages of 1.5 – 300 million years.(According to evolution, there should be millions.) Animal behaviors, unchanged from today, are seen in three-dimensional detail. For example, ants in amber show the same social and work patterns as ants today.

Experts bold enough to explain how these fossils formed say that hurricane-force winds must have snapped off trees at their trunks, causing huge amounts of resin to spill out and act like flypaper. Debris and small organisms were blown into the sticky resin, which was later covered by more draining resin and finally buried.(Part II of this book will show that such conditions arose as the flood began.)

In a clean-room laboratory, 30 – 40 dormant, but living, bacteria species were removed from intestines of bees encased in amber from the Dominican Republic. When cultured, the bacteria grew![See “Old DNA, Bacteria, and Proteins?” on page 38.] This amber is claimed to be 25–40 million years old, but I suspect it formed at the beginning of the flood, only thousands of years ago. Is it more likely that bacteria can be kept alive thousands of years or many millions of years? Metabolism rates, even in dormant bacteria, are not zero.

i.“A type of amber thought to have been invented by flowering plants may have been en vogue millions of years before those plants evolved...When the researchers analyzed the amber, though, they discovered a chemical signature know[n] only from the amber of flowering plants.” Rachel Ehrenberg,“Flowerless Plants Also Made Form of Fancy Amber,” Science News, Vol. 176, 24 October 2009, p. 5.

“[The Illinois amber] has a molecular composition that has been seen only from angiosperms, which appeared much later in the Early Cretaceous....[Amber resins] are so diverse that those from each plant species have a distinctive Py-GC-MS fingerprint that can be used to identify the plants that produced various ambers around the world.”David Grimaldi,“Pushing Back Amber Production,” Science, Vol. 326, 2 October 2009, p. 51.

j. R. M. Stainforth,“Occurrence of Pollen and Spores in the Roraima Formation of Venezuela and British Guiana,” Nature, Vol. 210, 16 April 1966, pp. 292–294.

A. K. Ghosh and A. Bose, pp. 796–797.

A. K. Ghosh and A. Bose,“Spores and Tracheids from the Cambrian of Kashmir,” Nature, Vol. 169, 21 June 1952, pp. 1056–1057.

J. Coates et al., pp. 266–267.

[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#677 Dec 20, 2013
Pahu wrote:
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 4
There are none such, silly person.

Since: Dec 08

Palm Harbor, FL

#678 Jan 1, 2014
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 5

Petrified trees in Arizona’s Petrified Forest National Park contain fossilized nests of bees and cocoons of wasps. The petrified forests are reputedly 220 million years old, while bees (and flowering plants, which bees require) supposedly evolved almost 100 million years later (l). Pollinating insects and fossil flies, with long, well-developed tubes for sucking nectar from flowers, are dated 25 million years before flowers are assumed to have evolved (m). Most evolutionists and textbooks systematically ignore discoveries which conflict with the evolutionary time scale.

l. Stephen T. Hasiotis (paleobiologist, U.S. Geological Survey, Denver), personal communication, 27 May 1995.

Carl Zimmer,“A Secret History of Life on Land,” Discover, February 1998, pp. 76–83.

m. Dong Ren,“Flower-Associated Brachycera Flies as Fossil Evidence for Jurassic Angiosperm Origins,” Science, Vol. 280, 3 April 1998, pp. 85–88.

[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

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Scunthorpe, UK

#679 Jan 1, 2014
Pahu wrote:
Out-of-Sequence Fossils 5
Petrified trees in Arizona’s Petrified Forest National Park contain fossilized nests of bees and cocoons of wasps. The petrified forests are reputedly 220 million years old, while bees (and flowering plants, which bees require) supposedly evolved almost 100 million years later (l). Pollinating insects and fossil flies, with long, well-developed tubes for sucking nectar from flowers, are dated 25 million years before flowers are assumed to have evolved (m). Most evolutionists and textbooks systematically ignore discoveries which conflict with the evolutionary time scale.
l. Stephen T. Hasiotis (paleobiologist, U.S. Geological Survey, Denver), personal communication, 27 May 1995.
Carl Zimmer,“A Secret History of Life on Land,” Discover, February 1998, pp. 76–83.
m. Dong Ren,“Flower-Associated Brachycera Flies as Fossil Evidence for Jurassic Angiosperm Origins,” Science, Vol. 280, 3 April 1998, pp. 85–88.
[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
Evolution remains a fact, despite your poor propoganda attempts.

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