Science Disproves Evolution

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Nehwon

#556 Sep 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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:)
In the movie Dogma, the "voice of god" talks about how angels watch people go about their short lives; and that one of the most common things they do, is watch people having sex.
A funny scene where the "voice of god" describes peoples' climax face as being hilarious.
Overall, that is one of the funnier scenes in the movie, IMO.
Alan Rickman as the Voice of God was superb casting there. He pulls off the exasperated angel quite well.

Come to think of it, that was a well cast movie.

Jason Lee as the annoyed douchebag demon.

Selma Hayek as a muse.

Matt Damon as Loki.

Ben Affleck as Loki's friend and foil.

Then George Carlin as a Catholic Bishop...

You'll know when the Christian Taliban truly comes to power.

They'll try to destroy every copy of that movie like the aftermath of the Council of Nicea when the Christian Church tried to destroy all the unapproved Gospels.

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Nehwon

#557 Sep 18, 2013
Pahu wrote:
Fossil Gaps 15
i.“The [evolutionary] origin of birds is largely a matter of deduction. There is no fossil evidence of the stages through which the remarkable change from reptile to bird was achieved.” W. E. Swinton,“The Origin of Birds,” Biology and Comparative Physiology of Birds, editor A. J. Marshall (New York: Academic Press, 1960), Vol. 1, Chapter 1, p. 1.
Some have claimed birds evolved from a two-legged dinosaur known as a theropod. However, several problems exist.
A theropod dinosaur fossil found in China showed a lung mechanism completely incompatible with that of birds.[See John A. Ruben et al.,“Lung Structure and Ventilation in Theropod Dinosaurs and Early Birds,” Science, Vol. 278, 14 November 1997, pp. 1267–1270.] In that report,“Ruben argues that a transition from a crocodilian to a bird lung would be impossible, because the transitional animal would have a life-threatening hernia or hole in its diaphragm.”[Ann Gibbons,“Lung Fossils Suggest Dinos Breathed in Cold Blood,” Science, Vol. 278, 14 November 1997, p. 1230.]
Bird and theropod “hands” differ. Theropods have “fingers” I, II, and III (having lost the “ring finger” and little finger), while birds have fingers II, III, and IV.“The developmental evidence of homology is problematic for the hypothesized theropod origin of birds.”[Ann C. Burke and Alan Feduccia,“Developmental Patterns and the Identification of Homologies in the Avian Hand,” Science, Vol. 278, 24 October 1997, pp. 666–668.]“...this important developmental evidence that birds have a II-III-IV digital formula, unlike the dinosaur I-II-III, is the most important barrier to belief in the dinosaur origin [for birds] orthodoxy.”[Richard Hinchliffe,“The Forward March of the Bird-Dinosaurs Halted?” Science, Vol. 278, 24 October 1997, p. 597.]
[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
That's nice you took the few seconds to cut and paste something to post.

And at one time, I may have even taken a bit of time to check out the numerous citations you have there.

But I've seen quite a bit of the Creationist "arguments" (and that's being quite generous there) in many different forums.

But your used car salesman tactics are becoming well known because the Internet allows people ask questions without being bullied by the bullies who claim to have a bigger bully behind them.

TL;DR version

Grow up. Stop being a child in an adult body.

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Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#558 Sep 18, 2013
greymouser wrote:
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Alan Rickman as the Voice of God was superb casting there. He pulls off the exasperated angel quite well.
Come to think of it, that was a well cast movie.
Jason Lee as the annoyed douchebag demon.
Selma Hayek as a muse.
Matt Damon as Loki.
Ben Affleck as Loki's friend and foil.
Then George Carlin as a Catholic Bishop...
You'll know when the Christian Taliban truly comes to power.
They'll try to destroy every copy of that movie like the aftermath of the Council of Nicea when the Christian Church tried to destroy all the unapproved Gospels.
Indeed. In a nod to Monty Python, Dogma has lovely "easter eggs" in both the opening and closing credits.

But to really appreciate them, you need pause.

I agree-- it was a brilliant movie.

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Nehwon

#559 Sep 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Indeed. In a nod to Monty Python, Dogma has lovely "easter eggs" in both the opening and closing credits.
But to really appreciate them, you need pause.
I agree-- it was a brilliant movie.
It is entertaining but like most movies, you have to put your perception of reality on hold.

In that movie's case, the underlying assumption is that Jesus was a messiah.

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Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#560 Sep 19, 2013
greymouser wrote:
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It is entertaining but like most movies, you have to put your perception of reality on hold.

In that movie's case, the underlying assumption is that Jesus was a messiah.
Oh, certainly! It's pure fiction-- and makes no pretense of being otherwise. One of several reasons why I like it.

The more we are presented with clearly fictional subjects which include the trappings of modern religion? The less seriously we will take those religions.

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Nehwon

#561 Sep 23, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Oh, certainly! It's pure fiction-- and makes no pretense of being otherwise. One of several reasons why I like it.
The more we are presented with clearly fictional subjects which include the trappings of modern religion? The less seriously we will take those religions.
Depends on your perspective. The Bible could be looked at as a book of "Truths" to fit your need.

Need someone to care for the poor? Jesus is your man.
Need a revolutionary? Jesus is your man.
Need your fear of death soothed? Jesus is your man.
Need an enemy to hate? Satan is there for you.
Prosperity Doctrine? Yep, you can justify that.
Empire building by conquest? Yep.
Slavery? Don't worry. Pick a side. Either way, you're justified.

The Bible contains some facts, as we define that word today, but it's also convoluted, contradictory and can be used to provide authority for whatever you like.

Your personal "Truth" is there. And you can even disregard other parts as unimportant or even trivial.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#562 Sep 23, 2013
greymouser wrote:
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Depends on your perspective. The Bible could be looked at as a book of "Truths" to fit your need.
Need someone to care for the poor? Jesus is your man.
Need a revolutionary? Jesus is your man.
Need your fear of death soothed? Jesus is your man.
Need an enemy to hate? Satan is there for you.
Prosperity Doctrine? Yep, you can justify that.
Empire building by conquest? Yep.
Slavery? Don't worry. Pick a side. Either way, you're justified.
The Bible contains some facts, as we define that word today, but it's also convoluted, contradictory and can be used to provide authority for whatever you like.
Your personal "Truth" is there. And you can even disregard other parts as unimportant or even trivial.
Classic Salad Bar Christianity™, right?

heh.

Since the bible pretty much contradicts itself all over the place?

There is no other recourse, but to pick-and-choose.

One of many reasons why christianity is just another cult.

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Nehwon

#563 Sep 23, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Classic Salad Bar Christianity™, right?
heh.
Since the bible pretty much contradicts itself all over the place?
There is no other recourse, but to pick-and-choose.
One of many reasons why christianity is just another cult.
I'd say the reason the Bible has lasted so long is because it contradicts itself.

Whatever "Godly" authority to do what you need today, you can quote the scripture for backing.

And the followers will follow even if it's the exact opposite of what they were told to do yesterday.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but just trying to put in perspective of what I've seen.

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Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#564 Sep 23, 2013
greymouser wrote:
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I'd say the reason the Bible has lasted so long is because it contradicts itself.
Whatever "Godly" authority to do what you need today, you can quote the scripture for backing.
And the followers will follow even if it's the exact opposite of what they were told to do yesterday.
I'm not saying I agree with it, but just trying to put in perspective of what I've seen.
I suspect you have a point, here.

It's very ambiguity is why so many different groups latched onto it as "authority".

It's kinda sad, really.

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Nehwon

#565 Sep 23, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I suspect you have a point, here.
It's very ambiguity is why so many different groups latched onto it as "authority".
It's kinda sad, really.
And I must admit, there are ideas in the Bible I can relate.

But I couldn't reconcile those ideas with Christians like The Dominion, Joel's Army or the Prosperity Gospel.

I suppose it was an epiphany (heh).

If you pick an choose, you can justify anything and everything from the Bible.

And that's also why it's utterly useless as a guidebook.
LCNLin

United States

#566 Sep 23, 2013
greymouser wrote:
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It is entertaining but like most movies, you have to put your perception of reality on hold.
In that movie's case, the underlying assumption is that Jesus was a messiah.
Atheism is a materialist delusion but fun to threads

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#567 Sep 23, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is a materialist delusion but fun to threads
Really? And how did you come to this conclusion?

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#568 Sep 25, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Really? And how did you come to this conclusion?
Severe brain damage? Due to religious fuckery?

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#569 Sep 25, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Really? And how did you come to this conclusion?
Creationists dont come to conclusions, they just memorise the cult crap and stick to it like the liars they are.
LCNLin

United States

#570 Sep 25, 2013
Hitler an atheist

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title,_Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.(p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.(p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.......the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.(p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.(p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery........ When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.(p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.(p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#571 Sep 25, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
Hitler an atheist
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views....[shortened for space]... regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)
In the early 1930s, Hitler's public comments on Christianity were moderate. In public speeches, he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity. And he died a member of the RC church having never rejected it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_...
Hitler's motivation was Nazi ideology and racism, not religion or atheism.
Of course, Hitler probably didn't believe in an interventionist god as there is no evidence he was superstitious (he may have believed in Christianity and/or the occult when young), but the same could be said of Obama and many US politicians. Like Hitler, they can't get elected unless they are superficially Christian.
Religion = superstition

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#572 Sep 25, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
Hitler an atheist
Hitler was a Catholic, and since Catholics follow the christian bible, that would have to mean that he was a christian. Factually he was a christian... a crazy one mind you, but a christian none the less.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#574 Sep 26, 2013
You have provided many examples of Hitler being a christian here.

You muppet!
LCNLin wrote:
Hitler an atheist
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title,_Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.(p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.(p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.......the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.(p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.(p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery........ When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.(p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.(p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do...
Thinking

Royston, UK

#575 Sep 26, 2013
The 1981 documentary "Raiders of the Lost Ark" proves Hitler believed in the occult too.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>In the early 1930s, Hitler's public comments on Christianity were moderate. In public speeches, he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity. And he died a member of the RC church having never rejected it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_...
Hitler's motivation was Nazi ideology and racism, not religion or atheism.
Of course, Hitler probably didn't believe in an interventionist god as there is no evidence he was superstitious (he may have believed in Christianity and/or the occult when young), but the same could be said of Obama and many US politicians. Like Hitler, they can't get elected unless they are superficially Christian.
Religion = superstition
LCNLin

United States

#576 Sep 26, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, certainly! It's pure fiction-- and makes no pretense of being otherwise. One of several reasons why I like it.
The more we are presented with clearly fictional subjects which include the trappings of modern religion? The less seriously we will take those religions.
Atheist troll, one who has become extremely vocal about their atheism and is trying to convince others of their point of view. Often they are regarded as an embarrassment by fellow atheists.

Sometimes their behavior is an indication of the insecurity they might feel in supporting their belief ,especially when confronted with reasonable arguments from the other side.
Some Evangelical Atheists seek relief and vindication by lobbying to pass laws that will make it difficult for religious people to voice their opinions in the public square, or teach their beliefs to their own children.Or even to assemble together with like minded people if the assembly is on government property.:-)

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