Science Disproves Evolution
Thinking

London, UK

#450 Jun 26, 2013
Religion actively discourages new thoughts because it fears change.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yes, there are always minions/followers I suppose.
And religion like any other social experiment, seems geared to give power and control to a select few, over the masses.

Since: Dec 08

Oldsmar, FL

#451 Jun 26, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I've yet to see a religious god that wasn't pretty easy to discredit-- and therefore prove to be myth.
Take the Genuine Christians™ god (for one example). Using their bible (which is the sole justification for this god to exist), it's pretty easy to test this god's credibility. Plenty of examples in that book, on exactly how to go about it, too.
One simple test? Would be to examine the bible's promises to Genuine Christians™, and then compare the lives of Genuine Christians™ to non-christians, and look for statistically significant differences.
Once obvious one? Ought to be the suffering of the innocent-- it should be markedly less for Genuine Christians™, than for anyone else. After all? What's less selfish, than to ask for divine intervention for a newborn infant's health/life?
And this avoids all the common excuses that "you can't ask for selfish stuff" and all that--
-- so. Are newborns of Genuine Christians™ more healthy, on average, than anyone else?
No. Controlling for economic status and financial capability? No difference at all: newborns get sick and die at the same rate for everybody, barring the above.
Proving beyond a doubt, that the Genuine Christian™ god is myth.
Bible Accuracy

1. Archaeology has confirmed the historical accuracy of the Bible:

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry...
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.ht...
http://www.campuslight.org/wvu/EvidencesCFait... http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/h...

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science...

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.100prophecies.org/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible-proph...
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evi...
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.h...

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.
Thinking

London, UK

#452 Jun 26, 2013
Good points all. It's the distances involved that both make life around other stars more likely yet at the same time harder to reach.
Richardfs wrote:
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A couple of points:-
1. The result is never zero
2. It only talks about current civilizations.
3. It only talks about our galaxy so whatever number you calculate multiply by about 100,000,000,000

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#453 Jun 26, 2013
Pahu wrote:
Fossil Gaps 3
Dr. Colin Patterson, a senior paleontologist at the British Museum (Natural History), was asked by Luther D. Sunderland why no evolutionary transitions were included in Dr. Patterson’s recent book, Evolution. In a personal letter, Patterson said:
“I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them. You suggest that an artist should be asked to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it, and if I were to leave it to artistic licence, would that not mislead the reader?...Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say that there are no transitional fossils. As a palaeontologist myself, I am much occupied with the philosophical problems of identifying ancestral forms in the fossil record. You say that I should at least “show a photo of the fossil from which each type organism was derived.” I will lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument.” Copy of letter, dated 10 April 1979, from Patterson to Sunderland.
[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
Lying Creationist QUOTE MINE that says the exact OPPOSITE of what the esteemed professor of the UK ACTUALLY said.

Why do you LIE?

Oh!

Because you have nothing else!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#454 Jun 26, 2013
Pahu wrote:
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1. The universe exists.
2. The universe had a beginning.
3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.
4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.
5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.
6. Something does not come from nothing by any natural cause.
7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.
8. Life exists.
9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).
10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.
11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.
1) true
2) maybe-- maybe not-- unsubstantiated claim, without a FACT to back it up.

The rest of your chain? Fails. But let's pretend #2 didn't fail... just for fun... shall we? <laughing>

3) maybe-- maybe not-- it is meaningless to speak of "before the universe" anyhow-- there cannot be "before time".... "before" requires TIME. Time began when the universe started expanding from whatever it was.

Again-- unsubstantiated claim-- the rest of your chain: fail.

But pretending again...

4) maybe. Likely not. FAIL AGAIN.

5) lie. Nobody but you LIARS FOR JEWSUS claim this bit of stupid.

6) false: in quantum mechanics, we see something from nothing ALL THE TIME.

You are REALLY STARTING TO LIE, now ... a LOT.

7) lie. Most of your 1-6 is maybe, and SOME ARE DIRECT LIES. This is too.

8) lie. Proven in labs even now-- dead, NOT-ALIVE cells, with no DNA were BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE, from DNA created from DEAD--NOT-ALIVE CHEMICALS. So you compound your LIES.

9) lie. See #8 You just KEEP HEAPING THE PILE OF LIES BIGGER

10) same lies as #8,#9. NO NEW MATERIAL.

11) LIE. See the LIES #6 through LIE #10.

Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#455 Jun 26, 2013
Pahu wrote:
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Bible Accuracy
1. Archaeology has confirmed the historical accuracy of the Bible:
Lie. ALL LIES.

100% of your links? LIES FROM LIARS FOR JEWSUS WEBSITES.

Not ONE single shred of fact amongst the whole lot.

Sad.
Thinking

London, UK

#456 Jun 26, 2013
Your god is a cu*t, and you are complicit.
Pahu wrote:
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GOD WHY SUFFERING
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The question implies that if a good God exists, then evil shouldn't because God being all powerful should stop it.
We need to ask and answer two questions. First, what is evil? It is that which is against God. It is anything morally bad or wrong. It is injurious, depraved, wicked. Some acceptable examples might be murder, rape, stealing, lying, and cheating. Second, if we want God to stop evil do we want Him to stop all evil or just some of it? In other words, if just some of it then why? If He were to stop only part of the evil, then we would still be asking the question, "Why is there evil in the world?"
Let's suppose that someone was about to commit murder. God would have to stop him, maybe whisper in his ear, or if that didn't work do something a little more drastic like have something fall on him, or stop his heart, or make his hands suddenly fall off. Anyway, God would have to do something.
What if somebody wanted to steal? God would have to stop him too, right? Undoubtedly, God's imagination would permit a more practical method than I have suggested, but the end results would be the same.
What about lying? If someone were to tell a lie, then to be consistent wouldn't you want God right there to stop that person from lying? After all, He couldn't let any evil occur could He?
Let's take it a step further. Suppose someone thought something evil. Then, of course, God would have to step in and prevent him from thinking anything bad at all, right? The end result would be that God could not allow anyone to think freely. Since everyone thinks and no one thinks only pure thoughts, God would be pretty busy and we wouldn't be able to think. Anyway, at what point do we stop, at the murder level, stealing level, lying level, or thinking level? As your questions implies, if you want God to stop evil, you would have to be consistent and want Him to do it everywhere all the time, not just pick and choose. It wouldn't work.
Evil is in this world partly because we give it its place but ultimately because God, in His sovereignty, permits it and keeps it under His control.
Then you might say, "Couldn't He just make us perfect and that way we wouldn't sin?" He already did that. He made a perfect angel, Satan, but he sinned. He made a perfect man, Adam, and he sinned. He made a perfect woman, Eve, and she sinned. God knows what He is doing. He made us the way we are for a purpose. We don't fully understand that purpose, but He does.
God is sovereign; He has the right to do as He wishes. He has the right to permit evil for accomplishing His ultimate will. How can He do that? Simple, look at the cross. It was by evil means that men lied and crucified Jesus. Yet God in His infinite wisdom used this evil for good. It was on the cross that Jesus bore our sins in His body (1 Peter. 2:24) and it is because of the cross that we can have forgiveness of sins.
Consider the biblical example of Joseph in the Old Testament. He was sold into slavery by his brothers. Though they meant it for evil, God meant it for good (Gen. 50:20). God is so great that nothing happens without His permission, and in that permission His ultimate plan unfolds. In His plan He is able to use for good what man intends for evil. God is in control.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#457 Jun 26, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Lie. ALL LIES.
100% of your links? LIES FROM LIARS FOR JEWSUS WEBSITES.
Not ONE single shred of fact amongst the whole lot.
Sad.
Meh. I wouldn't bother responding to the cut-n-pastes.

We could have much more fun speculating on whether Pahu molests poison ivy vines and see if Walt Brown has an answer for that.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#458 Jun 26, 2013
greymouser wrote:
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Meh. I wouldn't bother responding to the cut-n-pastes.
We could have much more fun speculating on whether Pahu molests poison ivy vines and see if Walt Brown has an answer for that.
<laughing>

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#459 Jun 26, 2013
Pahu wrote:
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Bible Accuracy
1. Archaeology has confirmed the historical accuracy of the Bible:
I am cutting out the links since most of them are bullshit.

Partially true. Arcaheology has confirmed some of the historical accuracy of the Bible. Too often literalists take any match as a confirmation and that is not necessarily the case. And in the case of Exodus archaeologists say no.
2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:
Um, no. Cherry picking verses that seem to match science does not make the Bible accurate. Especially when in reality you are cherry picking a translation.
3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:
Again no. Most of those are examples of quote mining the Bible. For example the so called prophesy of the Psalms verse predicting the division of Jesus clothes. That was simply a quote out of context of a typical occurrence during that sort of event. It had nothing to do with the crucifixion.

Let's look at one of the worst of failed prophesies that fundamental idiots still try to defend, and the bonus follow up:

The Tyre prophesy totally failed. As a bonus Zeke predicted that Egypt would be defeated by Nebuchadnezzar too. Never happened.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#460 Jun 27, 2013
Pahu wrote:
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Science Proves God
When we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:
1. The universe exists.
2. The universe had a beginning.
3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.
4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.
5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.
6. Something does not come from nothing by any natural cause.
7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.
8. Life exists.
9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).
10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.
11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.
Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.
The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.
“Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes.”[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]
Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.
Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.
The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
If you are interested in more detailed proof, read,“Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell.
http://bookstore.iuniverse.com/Products/SKU-0...
Just for the sake of asking....If god does exist, then who or what caused him/her into existence?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#461 Jun 27, 2013
Pahu wrote:
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Bible Accuracy
1. Archaeology has confirmed the historical accuracy of the Bible:
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry...
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.ht...
http://www.campuslight.org/wvu/EvidencesCFait... http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/h...
2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science...
3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/
http://www.100prophecies.org/
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/bible-proph...
http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evi...
http://www.allabouttruth.org/Bible-Prophecy.h...
No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.
You are delusional my dear. No one, anywhere, in archeology or otherwise has ever claimed to have proved the bible true, and no one anywhere, even religious should claim that prophesies have been fulfilled that haven't been.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#462 Jun 27, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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You are delusional my dear. No one, anywhere, in archeology or otherwise has ever claimed to have proved the bible true, and no one anywhere, even religious should claim that prophesies have been fulfilled that haven't been.
Why do godbots NEVER read actual science?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#463 Jun 27, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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Why do godbots NEVER read actual science?
Because.... those godbots who do?

... become... atheists?

... well, eventually... if they keep reading, and they live long enough.

:D

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#464 Jun 27, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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Why do godbots NEVER read actual science?
I don't know actually...I question why they don't even read their own book for that matter. It's really annoying.
Thinking

York, UK

#465 Jun 28, 2013
When hard won evidence contradicts their goat botherer manuals, they feel obliged to ignore reality.
Richardfs wrote:
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Why do godbots NEVER read actual science?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#466 Jun 28, 2013
Thinking wrote:
When hard won evidence contradicts their goat botherer manuals, they feel obliged to ignore reality.
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That command is literally written into their "holy" books, too.

Since: Dec 08

Oldsmar, FL

#467 Jul 3, 2013
Fossil Gaps 4

“But the curious thing is that there is a consistency about the fossil gaps: the fossils go missing in all the important places. When you look for links between major groups of animals, they simply aren’t there; at least, not in enough numbers to put their status beyond doubt. Either they don’t exist at all, or they are so rare that endless argument goes on about whether a particular fossil is, or isn’t, or might be, transitional between this group or that.” Hitching, p. 19.[emphasis in original]

“There is no more conclusive refutation of Darwinism than that furnished by palaeontology. Simple probability indicates that fossil hoards can only be test samples. Each sample, then, should represent a different stage of evolution, and there ought to be merely ‘transitional’ types, no definition and no species. Instead of this we find perfectly stable and unaltered forms persevering through long ages, forms that have not developed themselves on the fitness principle, but appear suddenly and at once in their definitive shape; that do not thereafter evolve towards better adaptation, but become rarer and finally disappear, while quite different forms crop up again. What unfolds itself, in ever-increasing richness of form, is the great classes and kinds of living beings which exist aboriginally and exist still, without transition types, in the grouping of today.”[emphasis in original] Oswald Spengler, The Decline of the West, Vol. 2 (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1966), p. 32.

[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

Since: Dec 08

Oldsmar, FL

#468 Jul 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I am cutting out the links since most of them are bullshit.
Partially true. Arcaheology has confirmed some of the historical accuracy of the Bible. Too often literalists take any match as a confirmation and that is not necessarily the case. And in the case of Exodus archaeologists say no.
Here is information that archaeologists say yes: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.h...

Since: Dec 08

Oldsmar, FL

#469 Jul 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
The Tyre prophesy totally failed. As a bonus Zeke predicted that Egypt would be defeated by Nebuchadnezzar too. Never happened.
Here is information proving it did happen:
http://thetruth-blog.blogspot.com/2011/05/ful...
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the...

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