Our world came from nothing?

Our world came from nothing?

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“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#1 Jul 8, 2014
"One day there was nothing. Eventually nothing exploded and made space rocks and with minerals inside them. Then gravity came from nothing and crashed these rocks together to form planets. Then more meteors crashed on these planets and contained minerals like water.

Over time seas formed and living organisms randomly just created themselves because one of the planets called earth formed with all the right ingredients for life.

And then evolution did the rest."

Now one simple question, how did nothing create this universe of ours?

This is the reason i believe in god, because he is a logical cause for our universe and atheism is just ignorant people who are still depending on science to answer this question, but science had giving up.

Science will just say the big bang did it and then move on to the earth forming and evolution before anyone gets the chance to ask them about the big bang coming from nothing.

I bet atheists will now just laugh at my comment and call me names because they want to try avoiding this question.
Oh grow up

New Caney, TX

#2 Jul 8, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
"One day there was nothing. Eventually nothing exploded and made space rocks and with minerals inside them. Then gravity came from nothing and crashed these rocks together to form planets. Then more meteors crashed on these planets and contained minerals like water.
Over time seas formed and living organisms randomly just created themselves because one of the planets called earth formed with all the right ingredients for life.
And then evolution did the rest."
Now one simple question, how did nothing create this universe of ours?
This is the reason i believe in god, because he is a logical cause for our universe and atheism is just ignorant people who are still depending on science to answer this question, but science had giving up.
Science will just say the big bang did it and then move on to the earth forming and evolution before anyone gets the chance to ask them about the big bang coming from nothing.
I bet atheists will now just laugh at my comment and call me names because they want to try avoiding this question.
Did any atheist ever tell you that they believe that everything came from NOTHING? Have you even heard anyone one say that? We don't know! We don't know! And we choose not to make up silly stuff. We don't know and neither do.
Oh grow up

New Caney, TX

#3 Jul 8, 2014
We don't know and neither do you.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#4 Jul 8, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
"One day there was nothing. Eventually nothing exploded and made space rocks and with minerals inside them. Then gravity came from nothing and crashed these rocks together to form planets. Then more meteors crashed on these planets and contained minerals like water.
Over time seas formed and living organisms randomly just created themselves because one of the planets called earth formed with all the right ingredients for life.
And then evolution did the rest."
Now one simple question, how did nothing create this universe of ours?
This is the reason i believe in god, because he is a logical cause for our universe and atheism is just ignorant people who are still depending on science to answer this question, but science had giving up.
Science will just say the big bang did it and then move on to the earth forming and evolution before anyone gets the chance to ask them about the big bang coming from nothing.
I bet atheists will now just laugh at my comment and call me names because they want to try avoiding this question.
Your post incorporates an unfounded assumption: That there was, at some point "nothing". There is no evidence that there ever was "nothing". Quite the contrary, science has demonstrated over and over again that both matter and energy are conserved. Therefore, the hypothesis that matter and energy have always existed is consistent with scientifically proven observation and verification. The hypothesis that at one point, there was neither matter nor energy, but an omniscient, omnipotent being which itself was always-existing, willed matter and energy into existence, not so much.

The main reason for positing creation is the complexity of the universe. Creationists say that the universe is too complex not to have been created by an intelligent being. Of course, the creator proposed is more complex than the creation. The 'logic' which says that something that complex must have been created leads inexorably to the question, "what created such a profoundly complex creator?".

Even if your hypothesis were correct, it still does not get you to an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent deity such as all three abrahamic religions posit. It is as consistent with a first cause consumed by the act of creation, or with the deist concept of a creator god that is uninvolved with everything that came after the first cause, and utterly indifferent to the fate of the universe from the moment after creation on.

There are also explanations in quantum physics, with its multiple universes and matter spontaneously popping into existence. I understand some of the outlines of those ideas, but all my degrees are in subjects far removed from the hard sciences, and I am most definitely not qualified to discuss these matters intelligently. Perhaps one of our more scientifically inclined posters can help out here?
Patrick

United States

#5 Jul 8, 2014
Amused wrote:
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Your post incorporates an unfounded assumption: That there was, at some point "nothing". There is no evidence that there ever was "nothing". Quite the contrary, science has demonstrated over and over again that both matter and energy are conserved. Therefore, the hypothesis that matter and energy have always existed is consistent with scientifically proven observation and verification. The hypothesis that at one point, there was neither matter nor energy, but an omniscient, omnipotent being which itself was always-existing, willed matter and energy into existence, not so much.
The main reason for positing creation is the complexity of the universe. Creationists say that the universe is too complex not to have been created by an intelligent being. Of course, the creator proposed is more complex than the creation. The 'logic' which says that something that complex must have been created leads inexorably to the question, "what created such a profoundly complex creator?".
Even if your hypothesis were correct, it still does not get you to an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent deity such as all three abrahamic religions posit. It is as consistent with a first cause consumed by the act of creation, or with the deist concept of a creator god that is uninvolved with everything that came after the first cause, and utterly indifferent to the fate of the universe from the moment after creation on.
There are also explanations in quantum physics, with its multiple universes and matter spontaneously popping into existence. I understand some of the outlines of those ideas, but all my degrees are in subjects far removed from the hard sciences, and I am most definitely not qualified to discuss these matters intelligently. Perhaps one of our more scientifically inclined posters can help out here?
Seems upset that his/her philosophy has no universal acceptance?

"multiple universes and matter spontaneously popping into existence" ... on Nancy Grace most likely :-)

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#6 Jul 8, 2014
Oh grow up wrote:
We don't know and neither do you.
I know this. "God made me and he made you"

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#7 Jul 8, 2014
You atheists must spend more time trying to disprove God and prove the big bang rather than descriminating against people's belief, because one thing i do know, i can believe whatever i want and should be respected for that.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#8 Jul 8, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
You atheists must spend more time trying to disprove God and prove the big bang rather than descriminating against people's belief, because one thing i do know, i can believe whatever i want and should be respected for that.
I respect your right to believe whatever you want. I also respect my own right to say that your beliefs are illogical when they are.

I really don't care what you believe.You can believe the entire universe is an egg laid by a giant fish named "Mary Alice" for all I care. On the other hand, no one puts a gun to your head and forces you to post your religious beliefs on an atheist forum. If you don't want a debate, and your feelings are so sensitive that you can't stand having your belief subjected to critical thinking, I think you are in the wrong place. As President Truman once said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

If you were expecting that you would simply post your beliefs with the evidence therefore being nothing more than "because I said so, and my magic book of fairy tales says so, and I believe it" and all the atheists would fall all over themselves converting based on your say so, that kind of thinking is clearly delusional. Respect for your right to believe what you want does not require me to validate your delusions of grandeur.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#9 Jul 8, 2014
Amused wrote:
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I respect your right to believe whatever you want. I also respect my own right to say that your beliefs are illogical when they are.
I really don't care what you believe.You can believe the entire universe is an egg laid by a giant fish named "Mary Alice" for all I care. On the other hand, no one puts a gun to your head and forces you to post your religious beliefs on an atheist forum. If you don't want a debate, and your feelings are so sensitive that you can't stand having your belief subjected to critical thinking, I think you are in the wrong place. As President Truman once said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
If you were expecting that you would simply post your beliefs with the evidence therefore being nothing more than "because I said so, and my magic book of fairy tales says so, and I believe it" and all the atheists would fall all over themselves converting based on your say so, that kind of thinking is clearly delusional. Respect for your right to believe what you want does not require me to validate your delusions of grandeur.
You're one of the only ones if not the only here of the atheists who debates while not using force.

It isn't debating when people call me uneducated, when people say i believe in a fairy, when atheists call me delusional.

Debating is using facts and asking questions. But i pretty much have been descriminated because of my belief.

I'm fine with atheists debating, but when they try shoving evidence(good or bad) down my throat and call me a dumbf*** for trying to debate back, this is why i don't have respect for any atheist

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#10 Jul 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
"One day there was nothing. Eventually nothing exploded and made space rocks and with minerals inside them. Then gravity came from nothing and crashed these rocks together to form planets. Then more meteors crashed on these planets and contained minerals like water.
Over time seas formed and living organisms randomly just created themselves because one of the planets called earth formed with all the right ingredients for life.
And then evolution did the rest."
Now one simple question, how did nothing create this universe of ours?
This is the reason i believe in god, because he is a logical cause for our universe and atheism is just ignorant people who are still depending on science to answer this question, but science had giving up.
Science will just say the big bang did it and then move on to the earth forming and evolution before anyone gets the chance to ask them about the big bang coming from nothing.
I bet atheists will now just laugh at my comment and call me names because they want to try avoiding this question.
If the universe needs a creator then the creator needs a creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?

Invoking a God doesn't solve the problem of why we are here, it just creates another mystery that needs solving.
God is a something. He does need explaining.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#11 Jul 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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You're one of the only ones if not the only here of the atheists who debates while not using force.
It isn't debating when people call me uneducated, when people say i believe in a fairy, when atheists call me delusional.
Debating is using facts and asking questions. But i pretty much have been descriminated because of my belief.
I'm fine with atheists debating, but when they try shoving evidence(good or bad) down my throat and call me a dumbf*** for trying to debate back, this is why i don't have respect for any atheist
There's no debate. You state evidence and facts, but you have none to support creation. All you have are assurtions, which is using an argument from ignorance. Then you start this thread, after you have been provided evidence time and time again on other topic threads, and you demand respect? LOL, take a hike!
Patrick n Angela

United States

#12 Jul 9, 2014
Cujo wrote:
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There's no debate. You state evidence and facts, but you have none to support creation. All you have are assurtions, which is using an argument from ignorance. Then you start this thread, after you have been provided evidence time and time again on other topic threads, and you demand respect? LOL, take a hike!
trying to convince Himself or just defensive ?
Amused

Lowell, MA

#13 Jul 9, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Seems upset that his/her philosophy has no universal acceptance?
More like utterly indifferent to whether others choose to cling to ancient myths, so long as they don't use those myths to obstruct actual progress in human knowledge.
"multiple universes and matter spontaneously popping into existence" ... on Nancy Grace most likely :-)
The only difference between me and you is that I admit that I don't understand quantum physics. I know there are physicists who hypothesize these things, and they say they have evidence for their hypotheses. I know I'll never make sense of it until "Quantum Physics for Dummies" comes out.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14 Jul 9, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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I know this. "God made me and he made you"
You know nothing of the sort. It simply isn't possible that an arrogant misogynistic Pagan/Arabic god myth created me? I am no product of that continent's hate system.

You ..... it might have, there is no way I could know nor claim that, but you, knowing who you are, can happily believe so. But even if true, you should be ashamed to claim it.

Did you know that buybull god might make you cook and eat your children?
Patrick

United States

#15 Jul 9, 2014
"It simply isn't possible that an arrogant misogynistic Pagan/Arabic god would ...."

..... have created such an arrogant Fool.

Keep Posting, you do for cheap comedy

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#16 Jul 10, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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If the universe needs a creator then the creator needs a creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?
Invoking a God doesn't solve the problem of why we are here, it just creates another mystery that needs solving.
God is a something. He does need explaining.
God=all powerful, therefore he can be eternal

Universe=just matter, can't be eternal

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#17 Jul 10, 2014
Cujo wrote:
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There's no debate. You state evidence and facts, but you have none to support creation. All you have are assurtions, which is using an argument from ignorance. Then you start this thread, after you have been provided evidence time and time again on other topic threads, and you demand respect? LOL, take a hike!
I have the right to believe what i want. And like said, debate using facts, whether their true or not, but don't come calling me uneducated because I'm a Christian

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#18 Jul 10, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>You know nothing of the sort. It simply isn't possible that an arrogant misogynistic Pagan/Arabic god myth created me? I am no product of that continent's hate system.
You ..... it might have, there is no way I could know nor claim that, but you, knowing who you are, can happily believe so. But even if true, you should be ashamed to claim it.
Did you know that buybull god might make you cook and eat your children?
See, you were coming with a good comment until you started saying buybull.

I won't reply to your question, because you just don't have the respect to debate properly

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#19 Jul 10, 2014
Guys, im not arrogant, it's a valid question.

I can easily disprove the universe being created from nothing because it's just matter, it's not this all powerful thing

God is all powerful and his therefore eternal.

There is no proof for that, but you can't disprove it unlike your pathetic big bang theory.

And you guys call me arrogant. Guess, what, any atheist would call me that no matter if i was arrogant or not. I want to hear it from a Christian calling me arrogant to believe so, because an atheist will call me all sorts of things, dumbf***, uneducated, that's also names i hear yet their not true, so why should i believe I'm arrogant then.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#20 Jul 10, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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God=all powerful, therefore he can be eternal
Universe=just matter, can't be eternal
The universe is energy (matter is just stored energy).
As far as we know energy is eternal.

We don't know if there's a God.
We don't know if he's all powerful.
We don't know if he's eternal.

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