Atheist vs. Atheist-What?

May 15, 2013 Full story: Psychology Today 57

Most people would probably assume that an atheist is an atheist, period. After all, individuals who don't believe in God are, at least in their unbelief, essentially the same, right? But there's a subtle-yet crucial-difference in degrees of incredulity that can meaningfully distinguish one's person's atheism from another's. So if there's an atheist ... (more)

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#21 May 21, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
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You don't seem like a bad person but your actions make you seem that way. It just seems like you don't respect people. I'm not saying you have to agree with them but if you want them to take you seriously and listen to you, you do have to respect them. According to various researchers, body language is thought to account for between 50 to 70 percent of all communication. So how you say something is just as important as what you say.
You seem to perceive yourself as showing more respect for people than I do. Heaven knows why.
peace n shaax123 wrote:
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Why do you think Christians are so good at converting people without them understanding a thing about Christianity?
Perhaps it's revealing that you see nothing particularly odd at the idea of converting somebody. Even converting someone who doesn't understand a thing about Christianity doesn't strike you as odd, or possibly undesirable.

I don't perceive any of the contributors here as particularly 'bad people'. Possibly, your comments help demonstrate the effect of religion on how one thinks.

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#22 May 21, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>You seem to perceive yourself as showing more respect for people than I do. Heaven knows why.
If I disrespect anyone, I apologize. And I never said I respect people more than you, I was just simply state how your comments come out. From experience with conversations with you. But if you don't want to know why people see your post as negative than forget I said anything.

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#23 May 21, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps it's revealing that you see nothing particularly odd at the idea of converting somebody. Even converting someone who doesn't understand a thing about Christianity doesn't strike you as odd, or possibly undesirable.
I'm just stating something that happens not my opinion. Also,I don't argue about every single thing.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I don't perceive any of the contributors here as particularly 'bad people'. Possibly, your comments help demonstrate the effect of religion on how one thinks.
Nor do I. But if you were wondering why I said you should be respectful, maybe you should reread that last sentence you wrote.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#24 May 21, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
"the difference between not believing in any gods and actively believing that they don't exist,"
I thought that agnosticism is the view that the existence or non-existence of any deity is unknown and possibly unknowable.
And atheism is the "lack" of believe in a God.
those to me are very different things.
you are not only correct, you are wonderfully succinct! you state the essence of the difference. one is about knowledge claims, and one is about belief. two different things. one can be both an agnostic and an atheist.
a person can believe in a religion and not claim to know. also a certain type of atheist can claim to know that there is no God.
I much prefer the agnostic atheist view.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#25 May 21, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Laugh! Am I really that bad? I hope I can comment or disagree without people feeling under attack.
:-)
I simply wish to offer the alternative view that the best approach to theology is to treat it for what it is - mythology taken too seriously and too literally. I think arguing over 'agnostic' and 'atheist' unavoidably dignifies religious language. It might also suggest that one should care very much which of those two positions one takes.
those are not two alternative positions. one can be both agnostic and atheist. and it does not dignify religion or theology at all to use those terms and to define them correctly and try to explain them to folks who do not get it.
I don't get your dismissive attitude. if you would explain your own views carefully, without using either term, that might help.
but anyone intelligent who understands the correct definition of agnostic and the correct definition of atheist would understand what an agnostic atheist is, and - in my view - woild be one.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#26 May 21, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
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Most atheists I know and even famous atheist as well tend to say the opposite of what you are saying. I was told that atheists are really agnostics. so if you don't mind, would you explain your theory?
that was to someone else, and I think that he and I both stated similar views. I am puzzled because the first comment from you to which I responded just above seemed to get the difference between agnostics and atheists.

Whoever told you that agnostics and atheists are the same thing is mistaken. That is like saying that the color orange is like a carrot. The term agnostic is more like a modifier (one does not make a knowledge claim), and the term atheist is more like a noun
(a non-believer in a God) in the term "agnostic atheist." I think most wise atheists are also agnostics and most wise agnostics are also atheists.

That does not mean I am hostile to agnostic religious persons, who have a decent ethical viewpoint, and do not have a nonsense set of dogmas. I know and like many of them.

Many of the famous atheists like to be more controversial and sell more books and tend to state their views in very extreme and dogmatic ways, to stir up book sales and get lecture tours, and feed their egos. Agnostic atheists tend to be quieter and less bullying, and just resist bullyiing from others, including the socalled famous ones (and a few notsofamousones on topix) who claim to know there is no God.

To claim that there is no evidence for God's existence and that therefore there is no God, is not an argument that an agnostic atheist agrees with. It is good enough reason not to believe in a God, but not good enough to claim one knows there is no God.

I am not sure what yoour own views are.

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#27 May 21, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> you are not only correct, you are wonderfully succinct! you state the essence of the difference. one is about knowledge claims, and one is about belief. two different things. one can be both an agnostic and an atheist.
a person can believe in a religion and not claim to know. also a certain type of atheist can claim to know that there is no God.
I much prefer the agnostic atheist view.
Thank you but I can't take all the credit. I actually thought that atheist claimed that God doesn't exist and that they can prove it.@NightSerf actually corrected me and I did more research on the topic. That's how I came to this conclusion.

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#28 May 21, 2013
@havent forgotten, my first statement is my viewpoint on this topic. the second statement was something I simply wanted to discuss more because I hear it often.

"Many of the famous atheists like to be more controversial and sell more books and tend to state their views in very extreme and dogmatic ways, to stir up book sales and get lecture tours, and feed their egos. Agnostic atheists tend to be quieter and less bullying, and just resist bullyiing from others, including the socalled famous ones (and a few notsofamousones on topix) who claim to know there is no God."

LOL at "feed their egos. but what you said about famous atheists is so true. I always wondered why the atheist I know in real life are nothing like them, so thank you for clearing that up for me.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#29 May 21, 2013
Arguably off-topic (may be), but I think this is a point worth repeating..
NightSerf wrote:
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.... As recently as in 1987, Websters defined "atheism," among other things, as "wickedness." That same edition defined "wicked" ass "1. morally very bad, EVIL 2 a" FIERCE, VICIOUS (a wicked dog) b: disposed to mischeif : Roguish 3 A: disgustingly unpleasant : VILE (a wicked odor) b: causing or likely to cause harm, distress, or trouble 4: going beyond reasonable or predictable limits : of exceptional quality or degree syn see bad...
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.h...

The USA in the 1980s - how we were.(Lest we forget).

I think steady progress is discernable and ultimately religion will be seen for what it is - divisive superstition. It's dangerous too.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#30 May 23, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
a person can believe in a religion and not claim to know.
I don't see that this is a tenable position. If someone "believes in" something, doesn't that make them gnostic about it? I can't think of an analogy in my own life, where I would claim to believe something is true, while simultaneously claiming that such knowledge is unattainable.

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#31 May 24, 2013
peace n shaax123 wrote:
@havent forgotten, my first statement is my viewpoint on this topic. the second statement was something I simply wanted to discuss more because I hear it often.
"Many of the famous atheists like to be more controversial and sell more books and tend to state their views in very extreme and dogmatic ways, to stir up book sales and get lecture tours, and feed their egos. Agnostic atheists tend to be quieter and less bullying, and just resist bullyiing from others, including the socalled famous ones (and a few notsofamousones on topix) who claim to know there is no God."
LOL at "feed their egos. but what you said about famous atheists is so true. I always wondered why the atheist I know in real life are nothing like them, so thank you for clearing that up for me.
Agnostics who kid themselves into believing that "a position of unknowning" is a position. Its actually just an excuse for ignorance on the topic, while trying to be aloof.
Lincoln

United States

#32 May 24, 2013
another day, same ignorant post.
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Agnostics who kid themselves into believing that "a position of unknowning" is a position. Its actually just an excuse for ignorance on the topic, while trying to be aloof.

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#33 May 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
another day, same ignorant post.
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All faith based mental illnesses can be cured with honesty.

But it depends upon the character / nature of the theist and whether they truly believe.

1. If the theist truly fears god - he should tell the truth and admit there is no proof or evidence.

2. If the theist doubts god, then he is not afraid to lie about god. In doing so, he proves that god isn't real - because he chooses to lie about it.

Whichever way, theists are liars - either to themselves or to others.

Proven fact.
Lincoln

United States

#34 May 25, 2013
Interesting views from Dawkins as an agnostic

Known by many as the world's most famous atheist, Richard Dawkins - author of The God Delusion - explained during a public discussion at Oxford University,

that he does not think of himself as an atheist,
but rather an agnostic.

The Telegraph reported on Monday that Richard Dawkins - although regularly labeled as one - does not consider himself an atheist.

In the open dialogue with Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, Dawkins also noted that in his book, The God Delusion, he never made the claim that he is certain that God does not exist.

No claim that God does not exist - interesting interview
Lincoln

United States

#35 May 25, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Agnostics who kid themselves into believing that "a position of unknowning" is a position. Its actually just an excuse for ignorance on the topic, while trying to be aloof.
Guess you need to take this up with Richard Dawkins?

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#36 May 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
another day, same ignorant post.
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Please stop it then. I'm glad you've developed self awareness.

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#37 May 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Guess you need to take this up with Richard Dawkins?
Guess you need to prove the god you're lying about?

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#38 May 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Interesting views from Dawkins as an agnostic
Known by many as the world's most famous atheist, Richard Dawkins - author of The God Delusion - explained during a public discussion at Oxford University,
that he does not think of himself as an atheist,
but rather an agnostic.
The Telegraph reported on Monday that Richard Dawkins - although regularly labeled as one - does not consider himself an atheist.
In the open dialogue with Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, Dawkins also noted that in his book, The God Delusion, he never made the claim that he is certain that God does not exist.
No claim that God does not exist - interesting interview
Another failed attack at Dawkins from the weasel creationist who cannot attack Atheism.
Lincoln

United States

#39 May 25, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Another failed attack at Dawkins from the weasel creationist who cannot attack Atheism.
You might show some respect to agnostics?
Is that going to be difficult for your world view?

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#40 May 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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You might show some respect to agnostics?
Is that going to be difficult for your world view?
You might show respect to the people who ask you for proof of god and ask you to stop lying about it.

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