Noah's flood real

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#4525 Aug 7, 2013
leahisadoll wrote:
The flood happened.
Nope-- no global, all-at-once world-flood.

Never happened.
leahisadoll wrote:
THEY FINDplants algae and animals preserved all around the world
The obly way for them to be preserved isnif the flood happened instantly.
<laughing out loud>

Seriously? SERIOUSLY??? Are you SERIOUSLY this STUPID?

<laughing louder>

Fossils vary in age from millions to millions and millions of years old...

.... there was NO GLOBAL FLOOD.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#4526 Aug 7, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>It seems we may never quite get it. Either buybull's contents just keep getting stranger, or the preachers do. Our topix god-bots may just not be the most "out there", of the religitards
Independence day
http://awkwardmessages.com/page/9/
Go read a bible
http://awkwardmessages.com/page/11/
Yes... "moron" does not begin to describe the depths of their 'fail'...
LCNlin

United States

#4528 Aug 12, 2013
Best of Luck with you mission to enlighten the world to your philosophy of life and morals. Oklahoma football looks strong this year.

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#4529 Aug 12, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Oh booby settle down.
We have such a good relationship you should not blow it by accusing me of something like that.
You matter after you've proven the god you're here to lie about and not before that.
LCNlin

United States

#4530 Aug 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You matter after you've proven the god you're here to lie about and not before that.
LCNlin

United States

#4531 Aug 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You matter after you've proven the god you're here to lie about and not before that.
You have our sympathy at your recent loss, express this to you and family.

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#4532 Aug 12, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"They once exorcized me (I was 13), and they are forever having special prayers asking good to take me from the devil's hands."
Well that explains a lot!!!
Nuff said. LOL
No proof of god & lying through his teeth and knows it.

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#4533 Aug 12, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =sqK9a_zox4cXX
Squirming creationist troll soon to be banned.

Since: Jun 07

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#4534 Aug 12, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
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You have our sympathy at your recent loss, express this to you and family.
Troll creationist who cannot face up to the fact that he has no proof of the god his cult sent him here to lie about.

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#4535 Aug 13, 2013
Wikipedia:

There are generally considered to be three outstanding problems with the Big Bang theory: the horizon problem, the flatness problem, and the magnetic monopole problem. The most common answer to these problems is inflationary theory; however, since this creates new problems, other options have been proposed, such as the Weyl curvature hypothesis.[81][82]

Horizon problem

Main article: Horizon problem
The horizon problem results from the premise that information cannot travelfaster than light. In a Universe of finite age this sets a limit—the particle horizon—on the separation of any two regions of space that are in causal contact.[83] The observed isotropy of the CMB is problematic in this regard: if the Universe had been dominated by radiation or matter at all times up to the epoch of last scattering, the particle horizon at that time would correspond to about 2 degrees on the sky. There would then be no mechanism to cause wider regions to have the same temperature.

A resolution to this apparent inconsistency is offered by inflationary theory in which a homogeneous and isotropic scalar energy field dominates the Universe at some very early period (before baryogenesis). During inflation, the Universe undergoes exponential expansion, and the particle horizon expands much more rapidly than previously assumed, so that regions presently on opposite sides of the observable Universe are well inside each other's particle horizon. The observed isotropy of the CMB then follows from the fact that this larger region was in causal contact before the beginning of inflation.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle predicts that during the inflationary phase there would be quantum thermal fluctuations, which would be magnified to cosmic scale. These fluctuations serve as the seeds of all current structure in the Universe. Inflation predicts that the primordial fluctuations are nearly scale invariant and Gaussian, which has been accurately confirmed by measurements of the CMB.

If inflation occurred, exponential expansion would push large regions of space well beyond our observable horizon.

Flatness problem

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#4536 Aug 13, 2013
Main article: Flatness problem

The overall geometry of the Universe is determined by whether the Omega cosmological parameter is less than, equal to or greater than 1. Shown from top to bottom are a closed Universewith positive curvature, a hyperbolic Universe with negative curvature and aflat Universe with zero curvature.
The flatness problem (also known as the oldness problem) is an observational problem associated with a Friedmann–Lemaître–Robert son–Walker metric.[83] The Universe may have positive, negative, or zero spatial curvature depending on its total energy density. Curvature is negative if its density is less than the critical density, positive if greater, and zero at the critical density, in which case space is said to beflat. The problem is that any small departure from the critical density grows with time, and yet the Universe today remains very close to flat.[notes 6] Given that a natural timescale for departure from flatness might be the Planck time, 10−43seconds, the fact that the Universe has reached neither a heat death nor a Big Crunch after billions of years requires some explanation. For instance, even at the relatively late age of a few minutes (the time of nucleosynthesis), the Universe density must have been within one part in 1014 of its critical value, or it would not exist as it does today.[84]

A resolution to this problem is offered byinflationary theory. During the inflationary period, spacetime expanded to such an extent that its curvature would have been smoothed out. Thus, it is theorized that inflation drove the Universe to a very nearly spatially flat state, with almost exactly the critical density.

Magnetic monopoles

Main article: Magnetic monopole
The magnetic monopole objection was raised in the late 1970s. Grand unification theories predicted topological defects in space that would manifest as magnetic monopoles. These objects would be produced efficiently in the hot early Universe, resulting in a density much higher than is consistent with observations, given that searches have never found any monopoles. This problem is also resolved by cosmic inflation, which removes all point defects from the observable Universe in the same way that it drives the geometry to flatness.[85]

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#4538 Aug 13, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Saying the flood never happened is like saying Europe was never overrun by an army of garden gnomes. Or that kangaroos are indigenous to Africa.
The bible is scientific? Really? Even the parts about the value of pi being 3? Or the bits about the sun revolving around the earth? You have some strange ideas about either the bible or about science.
Well all science is just making a theory based on your observations.
In the book of genesis it skips right to the point where God already created human and starts woth creation of life.

All science is is just observation.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#4539 Aug 13, 2013
leahisadoll wrote:
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Well all science is just making a theory based on your observations.
In the book of genesis it skips right to the point where God already created human and starts woth creation of life.
That's just a fairy-tale. According to your silly story? Your idiot god made the **sun** days after he made **plants**..

... WTF?

Your god is an idiot.
leahisadoll wrote:
All science is is just observation.
False. It's also testing and experiment.

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#4540 Aug 14, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>That's just a fairy-tale. According to your silly story? Your idiot god made the **sun** days after he made **plants**..

... WTF?

Your god is an idiot.

leahisadoll wrote, "
All science is is just observation. "

False. It's also testing and experiment.
Booby
In the Beginning God said let there be light and there was light.

In the beginning indicates "Time"
Then he created Light.
For God, creating light with out a sun is total possible.

“Think&Care”

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#4541 Aug 14, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Wikipedia:
There are generally considered to be three outstanding problems with the Big Bang theory: the horizon problem, the flatness problem, and the magnetic monopole problem. The most common answer to these problems is inflationary theory; however, since this creates new problems, other options have been proposed, such as the Weyl curvature hypothesis.[81][82]
As you pointed out, all three are solved by an inflationary stage. This also leaves a record on the background radiation, which has been observed.

And your point is?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#4542 Aug 14, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Booby
In the Beginning God said let there be light and there was light.
But no......***sun***...

Wow.. you are so stupid you don't even know your own idiotic myth!

LOL!

I knew you were a moron-- I had no idea you were THIS MUCH of one!
LCNlin

United States

#4543 Aug 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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But no......***sun***...
Wow.. you are so stupid you don't even know your own idiotic myth!
LOL!
I knew you were a moron-- I had no idea you were THIS MUCH of one!
Possible solution to the problem

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#4544 Aug 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>As you pointed out, all three are solved by an inflationary stage. This also leaves a record on the background radiation, which has been observed.

And your point is?
http://www.rubak.com/article.cfm...

Exploding the Big Bang Theory

Originally, the Big Bang Theory was being used to explain the beginning of the universe. Now more and more people are seeing this huge event less as the actual beginning and more as a massive event unto itself. However, many still claim the Big Bang was the beginning of the universe and this article is evidence that this is probably a false claim.

This article will not involve any mathematical calculations or anything too difficult to understand. The purpose of this article is to explain in simple language why a "Big Bang" if they do exist, was not the creation of the universe.

First off we must explain the Big Bang Theory and then give the arguments that we will be dispelling.

The theory actually has multiple formations and differences in details depending on who you talk to.(Time frame, speed differences, etc.) However since we will be discussing the overall generalities and not the mathematical details, we won't bother with those differences.

The overall Big Bang theory states that the universe started from an incredibly dense singularity that exploded. All matter, light and energy came from that explosion. The size of the universe increases as everything expands from this explosion. The theory is that of an expanding universe, meaning that the universe as a whole is expanding, instead of a static universe meaning that matter is expanding into a statically sized space. The theory states that the size of the universe is equal to the speed of light (the item furthest away from the explosion as possible) times the age of the explosion. In simpler terms, the light created from the explosion is expanding in equal directions and they represent the edge of the universe.

That's it in a nutshell. Now let's look at the problems with this theory.

http://www.rubak.com/article.cfm...

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#4545 Aug 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>As you pointed out, all three are solved by an inflationary stage. This also leaves a record on the background radiation, which has been observed.

And your point is?
Part 2

Issue #1: Problem of Size

First we must remember the definition of the term "universe". Basic definitions state: "Everything that exists anywhere", "The whole collection of existing things", "Everything stated or assumed in a given discussion", etc. That means all substance, energy and the space in between.

Regardless of the size of the universe, let's pretend that we are at the edge where the "universe defining light" is speeding its way out. Here's a simple question: Is the area 1/2 inch ahead of the light wave part of the universe? Of course it is. It's just as much a part of this universe as the space between the Sun and Earth is. Empty space is also a part of "everything that exists anywhere". No one would deny that.

OK, so if the area 1/2 inch ahead of the light wave is part of the universe, what about a foot ahead? What about a mile? What about a million miles? It's all empty space according to the theory.

Or is it? Remember, the current Big Bang theory is an expanding theory, not a static theory.

http://www.rubak.com/article.cfm...

Part 3

Issue #2: Problem of expanding

The expanding universe theory is often compared to a balloon being blown up. As the balloon expands the amount of space available also expands. The problem of an expanding universe is that it must expand INTO something. If there's anything to expand into, that space must, as shown above, belong in the universe.

But where did all that empty space come from, and why are they forgetting that it's also part of the universe? This seems to be a case of people forgetting what the term universe really refers to.

Issue #3: Problem of time

Along with the problem of empty space, the expansion theory also runs into the problem of time.

Let's look at the empty space ahead of the light waves again. Since we have shown that the empty space ahead of the waves is a part of the universe, let us go back in time 10 seconds.

Would the same empty space still be a part of the universe 10 seconds ago? The obvious answer is yes. Well what about 10 years ago? Long before the waves reaches the empty space, it is still a part of the universe.

Taking this to it's furthest conclusion, would that same space ahead of today's light waves still be a part of this universe way back when the Big Bang happened only 1/2 second ago? The answer again is yes.

http://www.rubak.com/article.cfm...

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#4546 Aug 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>As you pointed out, all three are solved by an inflationary stage. This also leaves a record on the background radiation, which has been observed.

And your point is?
Part 4

Issue #4: Problem with light at zero MPH

What does the universe look like when light is reduced to 0mph or is stopped altogether?

One of the main parts of the big bang theory is that we will eventually see a contraction. That is, eventually the expansion will stop, and the natural gravitational forces will pull everything back together over a long period of time until it is all collected into the same singularity from which the Big Bang happened and everything will start all over again. This is generally referred to as the Big Crunch.

The important consequence of this theory is that it will pull everything, matter and light back into the crunch to begin the process. If anything is left outside the Big Crunch before it explodes again, then this, by definition contradicts the concept of the Big Bang being the start of everything. Also if you consider a universe to contain a huge, but ultimately finite amount of matter and photons, then if everything is not sucked back in with each crunch, even if that amount is only an amount of photons, then the bang gets smaller and smaller with each instance. Also that would mean that the universe is equal in size to the speed of light times the time of the very first bang, if there ever was one. So the theory must maintain that the Big Crunch pulls EVERYTHING back in.

Well usually our attention is focused at the beginning (Big Bang) and the end (Big Crunch) but I think we need to look at the midpoint.

So let us imagine we are at the very outer reaches of space riding along with the furthest light waves in the universe. The time occurs when the gravity behind us is so great, we will go back to where we began.

http://www.rubak.com/article.cfm...

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