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"In the rock on the summit of Mont de Sautenay -- a flat-topped hill near Chalonsur-Saone between Dijon and Lyons -- there is a fissure filled with animal bones.'Why should so many wolves, bears, horses, and oxen have ascended a hill isolated on all sides?' asked Albert Gaudry, professor at the Jardin des Plantes. According to him, the bones in this cleft are mostly broken and splintered into innumerable... fragments and are 'evidently not those of animals devoured by beasts of prey; nor have they been broken by man. Nevertheless, the remains of wolf were ... abundant, together with those of cave lion, bear, rhinoceros, horse, ox, and deer... Prestwich thought that the animal bones... were found in common heaps because,'...[they] had fled [there] to escape the rising waters. 55,56"

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"There are world wide legends of men having lived in paradise in the past.165 Hesied, around the eight century B.C., stated that, "The Cronos people lived like gods, carefree in their hearts, shielded from pain and misery. Helpless old age did not exist. There limbs did not sag with lack of vigor. A sleep like death subdued them. And every good thing was theirs. the Barley giving earth asked for no toil to bring forth a rich and plentiful harvest." Man was suited for that environment according to these legends. It has been found by anthropologists, sociologists and historians that legends have a basis in fact.

The Sumerans have a paradise myth. Ancient Egypt has a paradise myth about a time when all people’s bellies were full and there was no sin on earth and no crocodile seized prey, the serpent did not bite and everyone enjoyed blissful recreation together.

In China the great Taoist teacher Kwan See stated in the forth century B.C., "The birds and the beasts in the past multiplied to flocks and herds. The grass and trees grew luxuriant and long. The birds and beast might be led about without feeling the constraint. There was perfect virtue." There is indication in all of the basic civilizations that in a time in the past beyond the records of man there was a blissful creation.

Mosquitos in the pre-flood environment did not byte for blood. It is the female mosquito that bytes and she bytes out of nutritional and oxygen need just before she lays her eggs. In the pre-flood environment with double the atmosphere and 10 to 15% more oxygen she would have all the oxygen and nutrients she needed."

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Sea originating fossils have been found at high altitudes of every continent.

The oldest known living trees, Bristlecone Pines in California, are about 5000 years old. This would coincide with the recovery of the earth after the flood.

The Origin of Civilization appeared near the resting place of the Ark at about the same time that the flood occurred.

Geologist classify rock formations by the type of rock they contain. A layer of the same type of rock is called a stratum. Many scientist believe that certain types of stratum originated in certain time periods such as the Eocene, Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous periods of time. There are many places on the earth where the order of these strata in reversed. Examples of this are the Matterhorn and Mythen peaks in the Alps. The order of the strata has been completely reversed in respect to the earth around it. Though many explanations have been offered for this phenomenon, the catastrophic effects of a flood as described in the Bible is still the best explanation.

Sedimentary deposits cover large parts of the earth. These are the type of deposits that result from movement of water.

An analysis of 30,000 radiocarbon dating results published in the "Radiocarbon" journal shows an unmistakable spike in the

death of living things about 5,000 years ago.

Fossils of once living organisms have been found in places not suitable for their habitat:



In Lincoln County, Wyoming fossils have been found of an alligator, deep sea bass, sunfish, crustaceans, and palm leaves. Obviously these would not grow well in Wyoming's climate. It also suggest that at one time Wyoming was covered water. The fossils of the life found in this vicinity are very well preserved indicating a fast burial and preservation.

The Florissant, Colorado fossil beds contain fossilized insects that are preserved remarkably well. In addition, the remains of giant sequoia trees have been found here. The sequoia trees and many of the types of insects do not exist in this region today.

(1)Volcanic rocks are found interbedded with sedimentary rocks of all supposed geologic ages. This correlates with the Biblical implication that the "fountains of the great deep" poured out their contents throughout the flood (Genesis 8:2).

(4)Radiometric dating performed on volcanic rocks from the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1986 indicated that the rocks were between .34 million years to 2.8 million years old. This suggests that the radiometric dating methods to determine the earth are at the best inaccurate.

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The Almighty Tzar wrote:
"The ark was not a mono-hull galleon, it was an array of small flat-bottom pontoons roped together. Large modern river barges are also assembled from dozens of small barges chained together."
http://www.noahs-ark-flood.com/faq.htm
And where in the bibull does it say:-

"And the lord said unto Noah build me many small flat-bottom pontoons and rope them together"

and the lies just keep on coming.

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Richardfs wrote:
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And where in the bibull does it say:-
"And the lord said unto Noah build me many small flat-bottom pontoons and rope them together"
and the lies just keep on coming.
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<quoted text>And where in the bibull does it say:-

"And the lord said unto Noah build me many small flat-bottom pontoons and rope them together"

and the lies just keep on coming.
BIBULL the great book on evolution!

B - bull crap
I - idiocy
B - beseeching all to listen to an
U - unscientific
L - loony toon
L - lie

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BIBULL the great book on evolution!
B - bull crap
I - idiocy
B - beseeching all to listen to an
U - unscientific
L - loony toon
L - lie
You are right that does sum up the bibull.

But you did not answer my question where in the bibull does it say:-

"And the lord said unto Noah build me many small flat-bottom pontoons and rope them together"

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Here's a list of a few places that have their own version of a world wide flood.
Europe
Greek, Arcadian, Samothrace
Roman
Scandinavian, German
Celtic, Welsh
Lithuanian, Transylvanian Gypsy
Turkey
Near East
Sumerian
Egypt, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Islamic
Persian, Zoroastrian
Africa
Cameroon
Masai (East Africa), Komililo Nandi, Kwaya (Lake Victoria)
Southwest Tanzania, Pygmy, Ababua (northern Zaire), Kikuyu (Kenya), Bakongo (west Zaire), Bachokwe?(southern Zaire), Lower Congo, Basonge, Bena-Lulua (Congo River, southeast Zaire)
Yoruba (southwest Nigeria), Efik-Ibibio (Nigeria), Ekoi (Nigeria)
Mandingo (Ivory Coast)
Asia
Vogul
Samoyed (north Siberia)
Yenisey-Ostyak (north central Siberia), Kamchadale (northeast Siberia)
Altaic (central Asia), Tuvinian (Soyot)(north of Mongolia)
Mongolia, Buryat (eastern Siberia)
Sagaiye (eastern Siberia)
Russian
Hindu, Bhil (central India), Kamar (Raipur District, Central India), Assam
Tamil (southern India)
Lepcha (Sikkim), Tibet, Singpho (Assam), Lushai (Assam), Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China), Lolo (southwestern China), Jino (southern Yunnan, China), Karen (Burma), Chingpaw (Upper Burma)
China
Korea
Munda (north-central India), Santal (Bengal), Ho (southwestern Bengal)
Bahnar (Cochin China), Kammu (northern Thailand)
its also more stories about the flood lol ...

Even if a person is atheist they would have the question the fact that islf thisbwas just a fairy tale then why does every nation tongue and race have story about the flood ?

More than likely all of our ancestors had to together at one time.

But even God himself spoke these people still not would acknowledge him... i mean there ancestors didn't care so why would they care ?

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its also more stories about the flood lol ...
Even if a person is atheist they would have the question the fact that islf thisbwas just a fairy tale then why does every nation tongue and race have story about the flood ?
More than likely all of our ancestors had to together at one time.
But even God himself spoke these people still not would acknowledge him... i mean there ancestors didn't care so why would they care ?
The bibull says that Noah and his family were the only survivors of the flood. If that were the case how could:-
Europe
Greek, Arcadian, Samothrace
Roman
Scandinavian, German
Celtic, Welsh
Lithuanian, Transylvanian Gypsy
Turkey
Near East
Sumerian
Egypt, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Islamic
Persian, Zoroastrian
Africa
Cameroon
Masai (East Africa), Komililo Nandi, Kwaya (Lake Victoria)
Southwest Tanzania, Pygmy, Ababua (northern Zaire), Kikuyu (Kenya), Bakongo (west Zaire), Bachokwe?(southern Zaire), Lower Congo, Basonge, Bena-Lulua (Congo River, southeast Zaire)
Yoruba (southwest Nigeria), Efik-Ibibio (Nigeria), Ekoi (Nigeria)
Mandingo (Ivory Coast)
Asia
Vogul
Samoyed (north Siberia)
Yenisey-Ostyak (north central Siberia), Kamchadale (northeast Siberia)
Altaic (central Asia), Tuvinian (Soyot)(north of Mongolia)
Mongolia, Buryat (eastern Siberia)
Sagaiye (eastern Siberia)
Russian
Hindu, Bhil (central India), Kamar (Raipur District, Central India), Assam
Tamil (southern India)
Lepcha (Sikkim), Tibet, Singpho (Assam), Lushai (Assam), Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China), Lolo (southwestern China), Jino (southern Yunnan, China), Karen (Burma), Chingpaw (Upper Burma)
China
Korea
Munda (north-central India), Santal (Bengal), Ho (southwestern Bengal)
Bahnar (Cochin China), Kammu (northern Thailand)

have flood stories if the only survivors were Noah and his clan?

And anyway why do you even imagine they are even talking about the same flood? Good grief man here in Oz we can have floods at one end of the country and bushfires at the other and the next year the exact opposite.

There is no evidence of a global flood full stop end of story.

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The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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BIBULL the great book on evolution!
B - bull crap
I - idiocy
B - beseeching all to listen to an
U - unscientific
L - loony toon
L - lie
Good! You are getting it-- your bible is crap.

Now: Is **Doctor** Francis Collins a christian or not?

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leahisadoll wrote:
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its also more stories about the flood lol ...
Even if a person is atheist they would have the question the fact that islf thisbwas just a fairy tale then why does every nation tongue and race have story about the flood ??
Not true-- many historical cultures who did **not** live near large bodies of water?

No flood story--- none.

Also many **desert** cultures have **no** flood story either.

The real correlation appears to be?

Living near large bodies of water--which occasionally **flood**.

Imagine that?

No god needed.
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..But even God himself spoke these people still not would acknowledge him..
If a God or gods spoke for real, and not an auditory hallucination, then yes we would all believe in him. But as God (and gods) remains silent, the onus is on believers to provide proof that he exists.
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.. and goes without saying you cannot prove or disprove a non-existent being.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

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.. and goes without saying you cannot prove or disprove a non-existent being.
How about a married bachelor?

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<quoted text>You are right that does sum up the bibull."
The book on evolution, yes it does.
I'm glad you finally see it.

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<quoted text>its also more stories about the flood lol ...

Even if a person is atheist they would have the question the fact that islf thisbwas just a fairy tale then why does every nation tongue and race have story about the flood ?

More than likely all of our ancestors had to together at one time.

But even God himself spoke these people still not would acknowledge him... i mean there ancestors didn't care so why would they care ?
Those souls are lost for ever.
They turn a blind eye to all the evidence.

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<quoted text>The bibull says that Noah and his family were the only survivors of the flood. If that were the case how could:-
Europe
Greek, Arcadian, Samothrace
Roman
Scandinavian, German
Celtic, Welsh
Lithuanian, Transylvanian Gypsy
Turkey
Near East
Sumerian
Egypt, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Islamic
Persian, Zoroastrian
Africa
Cameroon
Masai (East Africa), Komililo Nandi, Kwaya (Lake Victoria)
Southwest Tanzania, Pygmy, Ababua (northern Zaire), Kikuyu (Kenya), Bakongo (west Zaire), Bachokwe?(southern Zaire), Lower Congo, Basonge, Bena-Lulua (Congo River, southeast Zaire)
Yoruba (southwest Nigeria), Efik-Ibibio (Nigeria), Ekoi (Nigeria)
Mandingo (Ivory Coast)
Asia
Vogul
Samoyed (north Siberia)
Yenisey-Ostyak (north central Siberia), Kamchadale (northeast Siberia)
Altaic (central Asia), Tuvinian (Soyot)(north of Mongolia)
Mongolia, Buryat (eastern Siberia)
Sagaiye (eastern Siberia)
Russian
Hindu, Bhil (central India), Kamar (Raipur District, Central India), Assam
Tamil (southern India)
Lepcha (Sikkim), Tibet, Singpho (Assam), Lushai (Assam), Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China), Lolo (southwestern China), Jino (southern Yunnan, China), Karen (Burma), Chingpaw (Upper Burma)
China
Korea
Munda (north-central India), Santal (Bengal), Ho (southwestern Bengal)
Bahnar (Cochin China), Kammu (northern Thailand)

have flood stories if the only survivors were Noah and his clan?

And anyway why do you even imagine they are even talking about the same flood? Good grief man here in Oz we can have floods at one end of the country and bushfires at the other and the next year the exact opposite.

There is no evidence of a global flood full stop end of story.
Dense.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Good! You are getting it-- your bible is crap.

Now: Is **Doctor** Francis Collins a christian or not?
Try reading the post booby.

BIBULL the great book on evolution!

B - bull crap
I - idiocy
B - beseeching all to listen to an
U - unscientific
L - loony toon
L - lie

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The book on evolution, yes it does.
I'm glad you finally see it.
You **still** haven't said if Doctor Collins is a real christian.

Why?

You seem quite willing to sit in your MIGHTY JUDGEMENT on everyone ELSE.

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Rapid Burial

Fossils all over the world show evidence of rapid burial. Many fossils, such as fossilized jellyfish,a show by the details of their soft, fleshy portionsb that they were buried rapidly, before they could decay.(Normally, dead animals and plants quickly decompose.) The presence of fossilized remains of many other animals, buried in mass graves and lying in twisted and contorted positions, suggests violent and rapid burials over large areas. These observations, plus the occurrence of compressed fossils and fossils that cut across two or more layers of sedimentary rock, are strong evidence that the sediments encasing these fossils were deposited rapidly—not over hundreds of millions of years. Furthermore, almost all sediments that formed today’s rocks were sorted by water. The worldwide fossil record is, therefore, evidence of rapid death and burial of animal and plant life by a worldwide, catastrophic flood. The fossil record is not evidence of slow change.[See "A Whale of a Tale" on page 133.]

Figure 7: Fossil of Fish Swallowing Fish. Burial and fossilization must have been quite rapid to have preserved a fish in the act of swallowing another fish. Thousands of such fossils have been found.

Figure 8: Fish in Long Fish. In the belly of the above 14-foot-long fish is a smaller fish, presumably the big fish’s breakfast. Because digestion is rapid, fossilization must have been even more so.

Figure 9: Fish in Curved Fish. The curved back shows that this fish died under stress.

Figure 10: Dragonfly Wing.

This delicate, 1 1/2-foot-long wing must have been buried rapidly and evenly to preserve its details. Imagine the size of the entire dragonfly!

a . Thousands of jellyfish, many bigger than a dinner plate, are found in at least seven different horizons of coarse-grained, abrasive sandstone in Wisconsin.[See James W. Hagadorn et al.,“Stranded on a Late Cambrian Shoreline: Medusae from Central Wisconsin,” Geology, Vol. 30, February 2002, pp. 147–150.]

Coarse grains slowly covering a jellyfish would allow atmospheric oxygen to migrate in and produce rapid decay. Burial in clay or mud would better shield an organism from decay. If coarse-grain sand buried these jellyfish in a storm, turbulence and abrasion by the sand grains would tear and destroy the jellyfish. To understand how thousands of jellyfish were gently collected and preserved in coarse-grained sand, see pages.

Charles Darwin recognized the problem of finding fossilized soft-bodied organisms, such as jellyfish. He wrote:

No organism wholly soft can be preserved. Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, p. 330.

Again, a prediction of evolution is seen to be wrong.

b . Donald G. Mikulic et al.,“A Silurian Soft-Bodied Biota,” Science, Vol. 228, 10 May 1985, pp. 715–717.

u “... preconditions for the preservation of soft-bodied faunas: rapid burial of fossils in undisturbed sediment; deposition in an environment free from the usual agents of immediate destruction—primarily oxygen and other promoters of decay, and the full range of organisms, from bacteria to large scavengers, that quickly reduce most carcasses to oblivion in nearly all earthly environments; and minimal disruption by the later ravages of heat, pressure, fracturing, and erosion.... But the very conditions that promote preservation also decree that few organisms, if any, make their natural homes in such places.” Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life(New York: W. W. Norton & Co., 1989), pp. 61–62.

c . Presse Grayloise,“Very Like a Whale,” The Illustrated London News, 1856, p. 116.

d . Harold G. Coffin, Origin By Design (Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald Publishing Assn., 1983), pp. 30–40.

[From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown]

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