Noah's flood real
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#3247 Apr 19, 2013
Nobody can possibly be so stupid to believe in Noah's flood today, surely?
KJV

United States

#3249 Apr 19, 2013
spudgun wrote:
Nobody can possibly be so stupid to believe in Noah's flood today, surely?
Lets see:

Atheist = 2% of the world population.
Theist = 82% of the World Population.
Christians = 35% of the world population.

Oh I would say quite a few believe the flood happened.

" http://www.grandcanyontreks.org/geology2.htm

"Inevitably, some of these visitors will turn to a park ranger and ask: "How did the Grand Canyon get formed? Why did this happen here and nowhere else?"

The honest answer is that nobody knows. One hundred and thirty-one years after John Wesley Powell first mapped the Colorado River by riding its 161 rapids in heavy wooden boats, no one can prove how the canyon was formed.

But it is not for lack of trying.

Geologists are puzzle freaks who love nothing more than collecting fragmentary clues -- clumps of gravel, fossilized shells and pollens, the dates that muddy sediments were deposited in dried-up lakes or whole mountain ranges were lifted -- and then trying desperately to figure out how the modern topography before their eyes was produced.

More.....

The modern Colorado appears to be a young river that flows out of the Rockies and hits a huge plateau, called the Kaibab Upwarp, which is 50 million to 70 million years old. Instead of being shunted away from this barrier, the river runs right through it. Moreover, when sediments from the river are examined closely, it is clear that the western end of the canyon -- where it flattens out and begins its final run to the Gulf of California -- is many millions of years younger than the eastern part of the river.

To many experts, this difference means that the Grand Canyon could have been cobbled together from ancient river basins that were created during different geologic eras. But if so, when and how were those ancient rivers formed and where did they go? "
Thinking

Sheffield, UK

#3250 Apr 19, 2013
Have you seen this?

spudgun wrote:
Nobody can possibly be so stupid to believe in Noah's flood today, surely?
Thinking

Sheffield, UK

#3251 Apr 19, 2013
No.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets see:
Atheist = 2% of the world population.
Theist = 82% of the World Population.
Christians = 35% of the world population.
Oh I would say quite a few believe the flood happened.
" http://www.grandcanyontreks.org/geology2.htm
"Inevitably, some of these visitors will turn to a park ranger and ask: "How did the Grand Canyon get formed? Why did this happen here and nowhere else?"
The honest answer is that nobody knows. One hundred and thirty-one years after John Wesley Powell first mapped the Colorado River by riding its 161 rapids in heavy wooden boats, no one can prove how the canyon was formed.
But it is not for lack of trying.
Geologists are puzzle freaks who love nothing more than collecting fragmentary clues -- clumps of gravel, fossilized shells and pollens, the dates that muddy sediments were deposited in dried-up lakes or whole mountain ranges were lifted -- and then trying desperately to figure out how the modern topography before their eyes was produced.
More.....
The modern Colorado appears to be a young river that flows out of the Rockies and hits a huge plateau, called the Kaibab Upwarp, which is 50 million to 70 million years old. Instead of being shunted away from this barrier, the river runs right through it. Moreover, when sediments from the river are examined closely, it is clear that the western end of the canyon -- where it flattens out and begins its final run to the Gulf of California -- is many millions of years younger than the eastern part of the river.
To many experts, this difference means that the Grand Canyon could have been cobbled together from ancient river basins that were created during different geologic eras. But if so, when and how were those ancient rivers formed and where did they go? "

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3252 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
"It is evident, when all the facts are examined that there is no scientific evidence that the biblical account of Noah’s ark is a myth or fable....
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c0...
100% bullsh7t.

There is not ONE-- not a single FACT that supports a universal flood.

Your site is just another Liar For Jewsus™

It's what you do.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3253 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
http://www.christiananswers.ne t/q-eden/edn-c013.html
"Most Hebrew scholars believe the cubit to have been no less than 18 inches long [45.72 centimeters]. This means that the Ark would have been at least 450 feet long [137.16 meters], 75 feet wide [22.86 meters] and 45 feet high [13.716000000000001 meters].
And a boat built out of WOOD would CRACK IN HALF with even a modest wave....

... and sink.

Pity about your myth.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3254 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
More......
"In addition, some of the mammals are aquatic. For example, the whales, seals and porpoises. The amphibians need not all have been included, nor all the reptiles, such as sea turtles, and alligators. Moreover, a large number of the arthropods numbering 838,000 species, such as lobsters, shrimp, crabs and water fleas and barnacles are marine creatures.
ALL of those would have DIED from freshwater exposure.

Anyone who's been around salt-water aquariums could have told you this--

-- salt water creatures CANNOT STAND FRESH WATER-- they die.

And quickly too.

Ark Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3255 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
More......
"How were the animals gathered?
Magic.

It always boils down to MAGIC, doesn't it?

Ark fail

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3256 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
" If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?"
"The whole earth was covered with the Flood waters, and the world that then existed was destroyed by the very waters out of which the earth had originally emerged at God's command (Genesis 1:9; 2 Peter 3:5,6). But where did those waters go after the flood?
Aaaah.... it's MAGIC then, is it?

MAGIC is your "explanation" for the whole thing, then?

LMAO!

Ark Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3257 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"There is NO geological evidence of a global flood."
"Polystrate Fossils:
One of the strongest pieces of evidence for a worldwide flood is the existence of what Rupke termed "polystrate fossils."
Bullsh7t. 100% bullsh7t.

Here-- find me ONE geologist who has a GEOLOGY DEGREE FROM A REAL UNIVERSITY, who agrees with your BULLSHYT, and I will immediately apologize.

More: I will personally donate $20 to the creation museum....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3258 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water come from?"
The Fountains of the deep.
Aaaah... magic, then?

I see: it's magic all the way down, then?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3259 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
" The rain falling on the decks would have landed at the rate of about 150 tons per second. At that rate there would have around 4000 tons of standing water on the decks. Why didn't sink?"
No it was just rain, most of the water sprayed up from the fountains of the deep.
Bullsh7t. Again-- you spew bullsh7t.

Ark Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3260 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
" How did their genetically defective offspring travel to unknown countries like America and Australia?"
They were pretty good boat builders all ready.(The best on the planet at the time)
Not really-- they did not have iron or copper nails, for example.

That means? All they had were WOODEN PEGS.

Ark Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3261 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
The bigger problem would have been the construction of the Ark. But the Bible indicates that Noah did this under Divine guidance and there is no reason to believe he did not hire additional workmen."
He HIRED people?

BUT LEFT THEM TO DROWN?

Your Noah was a real dick, you KNOW that, right?

Ark Fail.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#3262 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup that's the one.
Try and stay with us.
Ok, I thought that was you.

You believe the grand canyon is so vast, so deep that only a catastrophic worldwide flood could have created it.

That bit I get.

What about the Valles Marineris on Mars?

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/odyssey/200...

"A "Grand Canyon of Mars" slices across the Red Planet near its equator. This canyon -- Valles Marineris, or the Mariner Valley -- is 10 times longer and deeper than Arizona's Grand Canyon, and 20 times wider. As the picture shows, you could drop the whole Los Angeles basin into a small part of Valles Marineris and leave plenty of room to spare. In length, the canyon extends far enough that it could reach across the United States from East Coast to West Coast, while its rim stands more than 25,000 feet high, nearly as tall as Earth's Mount Everest."

Was this also formed by a worldwide flood? Your logic indicates that it had to be.
Thinking

Sheffield, UK

#3263 Apr 19, 2013
If you think god set us up to fail, wait until you hear how created the Martians with three ringpieces but no front bottom!
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, I thought that was you.
You believe the grand canyon is so vast, so deep that only a catastrophic worldwide flood could have created it.
That bit I get.
What about the Valles Marineris on Mars?
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/odyssey/200...
"A "Grand Canyon of Mars" slices across the Red Planet near its equator. This canyon -- Valles Marineris, or the Mariner Valley -- is 10 times longer and deeper than Arizona's Grand Canyon, and 20 times wider. As the picture shows, you could drop the whole Los Angeles basin into a small part of Valles Marineris and leave plenty of room to spare. In length, the canyon extends far enough that it could reach across the United States from East Coast to West Coast, while its rim stands more than 25,000 feet high, nearly as tall as Earth's Mount Everest."
Was this also formed by a worldwide flood? Your logic indicates that it had to be.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#3264 Apr 19, 2013
spudgun wrote:
Nobody can possibly be so stupid to believe in Noah's flood today, surely?
Apparently, but they are good for a laugh.

I find it amazing that people like KJV can function in 21st century society.

I personally find find it scary that he was the one who won the sperm race, the are still swimming around in circles.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3265 Apr 19, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently, but they are good for a laugh.
I find it amazing that people like KJV can function in 21st century society.
I personally find find it scary that he was the one who won the sperm race, the are still swimming around in circles.
Just goes to show, that in a standard distribution curve, there are individuals out at the neither ends.

Alas, it appears that in the US's case, the center is skewed towards the "stupid" side...

... what with 60% participation in religion, diluting the educational process.
KJV

United States

#3266 Apr 19, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>No.
Yes
KJV

United States

#3267 Apr 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>100% bullsh7t.

There is not ONE-- not a single FACT that supports a universal flood.

Your site is just another Liar For Jewsus™

It's what you do.
"Let's Look at the Evidence:
The following are 18 Evidences of either massive flooding and erosion, extremely rapid layering of strata, or direct evidence of a Worldwide Flood. Such evidences are found in numerous places on virtually every Continent.

Polystrate Fossils:
One of the strongest pieces of evidence for a worldwide flood is the existence of what Rupke termed "polystrate fossils." Such fossils are found all over the world. They usually consist of fossil trees that were buried upright, and which often traverse multiple layers of strata such as sandstone, limestone, shale, and even coal beds. 1,2,3,4 They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80 feet long. 3 Sometimes they are oblique in relation to the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular to it. For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata. Many of these are from 10-20 feet long, 5,6 and, at least one was 40 feet long. 5,6,7

Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 8 have both roots and rootlets attached. Such trees, and their -- more often than not -- missing roots, are discussed in much more detail in The "Fossil Forests" of Nova Scotia. 9 Likewise, many (if not most) of the large, fragmented, and broken-off Stigmaria roots are also missing their rootlets. 9

Many of these roots and rootlets, are also buried individually. 9 This strongly suggests that these trees did not grow in the same places where they were buried, but rather were uprooted and re-deposited there.

Similar circumstances occur at various other places in Nova Scotia, as well as in the United States, England, Germany, and France. Another place where large tree stumps are preserved without their roots attached is Axel Heiberg 10,11 Island in Northern Canada.

And although there is much data on buried trees in the geological literature, most of it is over 100 years old, and difficult to access. One of the few articles on this subject was by Rupke, and in it he comments that:

“Personally, I am of the opinion that the polystrate fossils constitute a crucial phenomenon both to the actuality and the mechanism of cataclysmic deposition. Curiously a paper on polystrate fossils appears to be a 'black swan’ in geological literature. Antecedent to this synopsis a systematic discussion of the relevant phenomena was never published. However, geologists must have been informed about these fossils. In view of this it seems unintelligible that uniformitarianism has kept its dominant position." 12

With regard to Rupke's observation, I suspect the reason why such is still the case has more to do with one's personal bias against the concept of a Creator / God to whom we might very well have to give account than to the ever-mounting evidence against the theory of evolution and the millions of years old Earth that it requires to appear plausible. However, T-I-M-E is simply not enough: not even BILLIONS of years of it.

See also The Organic Levels of the Yellowstone Petrified Forest 13 and The Yellowstone Petrified "Forests" 14 by Harold Coffin.

The Fossils Themselves:
Fossils don't form on lake bottoms today, nor are they found forming on the bottom of the sea. 15 Instead, they normally only form when a plant or animal is buried soon after it dies. 16 Therefore, the fossils themselves are evidence of a catastrophe such as a flood or volcanic eruption that took place in the past. See also Rapid Petrification of Wood, by Andrew Snelling."

You can find the rest of this article at:

http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scien...

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