Noah's flood real

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3227 Apr 18, 2013
More Ark Fail:

16) HOW did the animals get from the ark, to Australia? The animals living there now, and back to pre-historic times, are UNIQUE to that continent. And the BuyBull has NO MENTION of them-- AT ALL. Ark fail.

17) If the human race descended from Noah and his idiot sons?(By having sex with his daughters--as the BuyBull documents...)

Then we would see a genetic bottleneck, roughly 4,000 years ago, in the human genome. Do we see this? NO. Ark fail.

18) The population of the world, in 3,000 BCE, is too high, if all humans came from 4 breeding pairs, roughly 1,000 years earlier. Ark fail.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#3228 Apr 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
More Ark Fail:
16) HOW did the animals get from the ark, to Australia? The animals living there now, and back to pre-historic times, are UNIQUE to that continent. And the BuyBull has NO MENTION of them-- AT ALL. Ark fail.
17) If the human race descended from Noah and his idiot sons?(By having sex with his daughters--as the BuyBull documents...)
Then we would see a genetic bottleneck, roughly 4,000 years ago, in the human genome. Do we see this? NO. Ark fail.
18) The population of the world, in 3,000 BCE, is too high, if all humans came from 4 breeding pairs, roughly 1,000 years earlier. Ark fail.
Not fair you are using reason.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#3229 Apr 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Really? So every time the meat eaters ate, ANOTHER "kind" went extinct?
Too funny!
So *that's* what happened to the dinosaurs!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3230 Apr 18, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>
Not fair you are using reason.
Yeah, I'm so mean that way...

;)

I had nearly forgotten about a list of "ark fail" I saved a while back.

I pulled it out of mothballs.

I've never seen a single godbot even try to refute these.

KJV didn't try at all, did he?
KJV

United States

#3231 Apr 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>No such thing, silly person.

KJV wrote, "
2). The ship has been duplicated in many test and proven to be sea worthy."

Lie. Why do you lie? If you HAD an example-- you'd have posted it...

KJV wrote, "
3). Did you Ark have a huge hole in the middle? Noah's did the wave action would pump fresh air though out the ship and make it easy to get rid of animal waste."

Lie again-- you do not read, do you? There were TWO openings-- JUST TWO--BOTH SEALED SHUT, according to your bible. The top one was ONLY opened after nearly 6 months, to let out a magical bird of some sort.

Go and re-read it. This time, pay attention.

KJV wrote, "
4). Meat eater ate meat"

Really? So every time the meat eaters ate, ANOTHER "kind" went extinct?

Too funny!

KJV wrote, "
5). It is pretty doubtful that any adult animal would have been brought on board.(Baby's eat less and take up less room)"

Bullsh7t. Your bible >>specifically<< states BREEDING PAIRS.

In any case? Baby or adult TWO SQUARE MILLIMETERS IS TOO SMALL.

KJV wrote, "
6). " So there is no cheating and using rainwater here". This is just dumb!
"

Yes-- you are dumb. You don't even read your own myth!
Not any more Noah used the last of it up.
KJV

United States

#3232 Apr 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>You don't read, do you?

You SKIPPED #4-- your answer doesn't apply to #4:

4) The ark, as described in the bible was too small for the >>known<< animals common to Noah's area--- let alone all the animals in the world. In fact? Conservative estimates of the number of different "kinds", if loaded on the ark? Each individual--including Noah and his sons-- gets roughly 2 millimeters square... yes, I said millimeters-- that's about 1/16 of an inch or so. Food? No room...
I mixed the numbers up to see if you would actually read the response.

And no the ark was plenty big enough.

Remember to think baby Dino's

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3233 Apr 18, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
I mixed the numbers up to see if you would actually read the response.
And no the ark was plenty big enough.
Remember to think baby Dino's
2 square millimeters.

That's not big enough for a pair of earthworms, moron.

But I doubt you did the mix-up intentionally-- more likely, it's that you don't understand math.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3234 Apr 18, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Not any more Noah used the last of it up.
You just don't comprehend, do you?
KJV

United States

#3235 Apr 18, 2013
"It is evident, when all the facts are examined that there is no scientific evidence that the biblical account of Noah’s ark is a myth or fable. The facts support the view that Noah’s ark was large enough to carry the number of animals required to repopulate the earth after the flood and that Noah and his family were capable of caring for the animals during their time on the Ark.

The flood of Noah’s day was a universal judgment of sin. God destroyed the world that existed at that time because of their wickedness. When we look at nature, with its testimonies to the flood, we are viewing a reminder that God does judge sin. It is also a reminder that God will save those who have faith in Him from judgment. God promised that He would never again destroy the world with water, but that a future judgment would take place. Jesus Christ came into the world to die for our sins and to restore man’s relationship with God, so that we need not fear His judgment."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c0...
KJV

United States

#3236 Apr 18, 2013
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c0...

"Most Hebrew scholars believe the cubit to have been no less than 18 inches long [45.72 centimeters]. This means that the Ark would have been at least 450 feet long [137.16 meters], 75 feet wide [22.86 meters] and 45 feet high [13.716000000000001 meters]. Noah’s Ark was said to have been the largest sea-going vessel ever built until the late nineteenth century when giant metal ships were first constructed. Its length to width ratio of six to one provided excellent stability on the high seas. In fact, modern shipbuilders say it would have been almost impossible to turn over. In every way, it was admirably suited for riding out the tremendous storms in the year of the flood.

These dimensions are especially interesting when compared to those given in the mythical, Babylonian account of the Ark. Here the ark is described as a perfect cube, extending 120 cubits in all directions and with nine decks. Such a vessel would spin slowly round and round in the water and from the standpoint of stability, would be a disaster.

Was the ark big enough to hold the number of animals required?

The total available floor space on the Ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.

Assuming an 18-inch cubit [45.72 centimeters], Noah’s Ark would have had a cubic volume equal to 569 modern railroad stock cars.
The total cubic volume would have been 1,518,000 cubic feet [462,686.4 cubic meters]--that would be equal to the capacity of 569 modern railroad stock cars.

Now comes the question, how many land dwelling air breathing animals would have had to be taken aboard the ark to survive the flood?

According to Ernest Mayr, America’s leading taxonomist (deceased), there are over 1 million species of animals in the world.

God only provided the Ark for the protection of humans and land-dwelling, air-breathing creatures. A huge number of animals would not need to be taken aboard the Ark because they are water dwellers. Representatives would be expected to survive the catastrophe. With God’s protection against extinction during the Deluge, survival would have been assured.(Scene from The World that Perished, a Christian motion picture about the Flood)
However, the vast majority of these are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark. Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single-celled creatures
KJV

United States

#3237 Apr 18, 2013
More......

"In addition, some of the mammals are aquatic. For example, the whales, seals and porpoises. The amphibians need not all have been included, nor all the reptiles, such as sea turtles, and alligators. Moreover, a large number of the arthropods numbering 838,000 species, such as lobsters, shrimp, crabs and water fleas and barnacles are marine creatures. And the insect species among arthropoda are usually very small. Also, many of the 35,000 species of worms as well as many of the insects could have survived outside the Ark.

How many animals needed to be brought aboard?

Doctors Morris and Whitcomb in their classic book,The Genesis Flood state that no more than 35,000 individual animals needed to go on the ark. In his well documented book, Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study, John Woodmorappe suggests that far fewer animals would have been transported upon the ark. By pointing out that the word “specie” is not equivalent to the “created kinds” of the Genesis account, Woodmorappe credibly demonstrates that as few as 2,000 animals may have been required on the ark. To pad this number for error, he continues his study by showing that the ark could easily accommodate 16,000 animals.

But, let’s be generous and add on a reasonable number to include extinct animals. Then add on some more to satisfy even the most skeptical. Let’s assume 50,000 animals, far more animals than required, were on board the ark, and these need not have been the largest or even adult specimens.

Remember there are really only a few very large animals, such as the dinosaur or the elephant, and these could be represented by young ones. Assuming the average animal to be about the size of a sheep and using a railroad car for comparison, we note that the average double-deck stock car can accommodate 240 sheep. Thus, three trains hauling 69 cars each would have ample space to carry the 50,000 animals, filling only 37% of the ark. This would leave an additional 361 cars or enough to make 5 trains of 72 cars each to carry all of the food and baggage plus Noah’s family of eight people. The Ark had plenty of space.

The bigger problem would have been the construction of the Ark. But the Bible indicates that Noah did this under Divine guidance and there is no reason to believe he did not hire additional workmen."
KJV

United States

#3238 Apr 18, 2013
More......

"How were the animals gathered?

Another enormous problem some have posed is the problem of gathering specimens of each kind of air-breathing land animal and bringing them aboard the Ark. However, the Genesis account indicates that God gathered the animals and brought them to Noah inside the Ark two by two. Some have suggested this may have involved the origin of animal migratory instincts or, at least, an intensification of it. We also know that most animals possess the ability to sense danger and to move to a place of safety.

How could Noah’s family take care of all those animals?

Noah with the animals, as depicted in the motion picture, The World that Perished.
Once aboard, many have suggested that Noah’s problems really began, with only 8 people to feed and water, to provide fresh air and sanitation for the huge menagerie of animals for a total of 371 days. However, a number of scientists have suggested that the animals may have gone into a type of dormancy. It has been said that in nearly all groups of animals there is at least an indication of a latent ability to hibernate or aestivate. Perhaps these abilities were supernaturally intensified during this period. With their bodily functions reduced to a minimum, the burden of their care would have been greatly lightened.

Conclusion

It is evident, when all the facts are examined that there is no scientific evidence that the biblical account of Noah’s ark is a myth or fable. The facts support the view that Noah’s ark was large enough to carry the number of animals required to repopulate the earth after the flood and that Noah and his family were capable of caring for the animals during their time on the Ark.

The flood of Noah’s day was a universal judgment of sin. God destroyed the world that existed at that time because of their wickedness. When we look at nature, with its testimonies to the flood, we are viewing a reminder that God does judge sin. It is also a reminder that God will save those who have faith in Him from judgment. God promised that He would never again destroy the world with water, but that a future judgment would take place. Jesus Christ came into the world to die for our sins and to restore man’s relationship with God, so that we need not fear His judgment.

Noah pleaded with the people of his day to have faith in God. They would not listen and the door to the ark was closed. Now, Christ is calling unto the world to once again have faith in God. Will you answer His calling and be saved from future judgment? The decision is yours."

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#3239 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
More......
....
Conclusion
It is evident, when all the facts are examined that there is no scientific evidence that the biblical account of Noah’s ark is a myth or fable. The facts support the view that Noah’s ark was large enough to carry the number of animals required to repopulate the earth after the flood and that Noah and his family were capable of caring for the animals during their time on the Ark.
The flood of Noah’s day was a universal judgment of sin. God destroyed the world that existed at that time because of their wickedness. When we look at nature, with its testimonies to the flood, we are viewing a reminder that God does judge sin. It is also a reminder that God will save those who have faith in Him from judgment. God promised that He would never again destroy the world with water, but that a future judgment would take place. Jesus Christ came into the world to die for our sins and to restore man’s relationship with God, so that we need not fear His judgment.
Noah pleaded with the people of his day to have faith in God. They would not listen and the door to the ark was closed. Now, Christ is calling unto the world to once again have faith in God. Will you answer His calling and be saved from future judgment? The decision is yours."
Now lets talk about the facts you ignored:-

1. There is NO geological evidence of a global flood.

2. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water come from?

3. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?

4. The rain falling on the decks would have landed at the rate of about 150 tons per second. At that rate there would have around 4000 tons of standing water on the decks. Why didn't sink?

5. How did Noah collect kangaroos, penguins ect.?

6. How did he put them back?

7. How did Noah repopulate the world with seven people without committing incest?

8. How did their genetically defective offspring travel to unknown countries like America and Australia?

KJV

United States

#3240 Apr 19, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Now lets talk about the facts you ignored:-

1. There is NO geological evidence of a global flood.

2. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water come from?

3. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?

4. The rain falling on the decks would have landed at the rate of about 150 tons per second. At that rate there would have around 4000 tons of standing water on the decks. Why didn't sink?

5. How did Noah collect kangaroos, penguins ect.?

6. How did he put them back?

7. How did Noah repopulate the world with seven people without committing incest?

8. How did their genetically defective offspring travel to unknown countries like America and Australia?
" If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?"

"The whole earth was covered with the Flood waters, and the world that then existed was destroyed by the very waters out of which the earth had originally emerged at God's command (Genesis 1:9; 2 Peter 3:5,6). But where did those waters go after the flood?

There are a number of Scripture passages that identify the flood waters with the present-day seas (Amos 9:6 and Job 38:8-11 note “waves”). If the waters are still here, why are the highest mountains not still covered with water, as they were in Noah's day? Psalm 104 suggests an answer. After the waters covered the mountains (verse 6), God rebuked them and they fled (verse 7); the mountains rose, the valleys sank down (verse 8) and God set a boundary so that they will never again cover the earth (verse 9)[1]. They are the same waters!

Isaiah gives this same statement that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth (Isaiah 54:9). Clearly, what the Bible is telling us is that God acted to alter the earth's topography. New continental landmasses bearing new mountain chains of folded rock strata were uplifted from below the globe-encircling waters that had eroded and leveled the pre-Flood topography, while large deep ocean basin were formed to receive and accommodate the Flood waters that then drained off the emerging continents.

That is why the oceans are so deep, and why there are folded mountain ranges. Indeed, if the entire earth's surface were leveled by smoothing out the topography of not only the land surface but also the rock surface on the ocean floor, the waters of the ocean would cover the earth's surface to a depth of 1.7 miles (2.7 kilometers). We need to remember that nearly 70 percent of the earth's surface is still covered by water. Quite clearly, then, the waters of Noah's Flood are in today's ocean basins."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-flo...
KJV

United States

#3241 Apr 19, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Now lets talk about the facts you ignored:-

1. There is NO geological evidence of a global flood.

2. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water come from?

3. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?

4. The rain falling on the decks would have landed at the rate of about 150 tons per second. At that rate there would have around 4000 tons of standing water on the decks. Why didn't sink?

5. How did Noah collect kangaroos, penguins ect.?

6. How did he put them back?

7. How did Noah repopulate the world with seven people without committing incest?

8. How did their genetically defective offspring travel to unknown countries like America and Australia?
"There is NO geological evidence of a global flood."

"Polystrate Fossils:
One of the strongest pieces of evidence for a worldwide flood is the existence of what Rupke termed "polystrate fossils." Such fossils are found all over the world. They usually consist of fossil trees that were buried upright, and which often traverse multiple layers of strata such as sandstone, limestone, shale, and even coal beds. 1,2,3,4 They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80 feet long. 3 Sometimes they are oblique in relation to the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular to it. For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata. Many of these are from 10-20 feet long, 5,6 and, at least one was 40 feet long. 5,6,7

Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 8 have both roots and rootlets attached. Such trees, and their -- more often than not -- missing roots, are discussed in much more detail in The "Fossil Forests" of Nova Scotia. 9 Likewise, many (if not most) of the large, fragmented, and broken-off Stigmaria roots are also missing their rootlets. 9 "

"There is also things such as the Grand Canyon"

"NO geological evidence". LOL
KJV

United States

#3242 Apr 19, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Now lets talk about the facts you ignored:-

1. There is NO geological evidence of a global flood.

2. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water come from?

3. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?

4. The rain falling on the decks would have landed at the rate of about 150 tons per second. At that rate there would have around 4000 tons of standing water on the decks. Why didn't sink?

5. How did Noah collect kangaroos, penguins ect.?

6. How did he put them back?

7. How did Noah repopulate the world with seven people without committing incest?

8. How did their genetically defective offspring travel to unknown countries like America and Australia?
"If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water come from?"

The Fountains of the deep.
KJV

United States

#3243 Apr 19, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Now lets talk about the facts you ignored:-

1. There is NO geological evidence of a global flood.

2. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water come from?

3. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?

4. The rain falling on the decks would have landed at the rate of about 150 tons per second. At that rate there would have around 4000 tons of standing water on the decks. Why didn't sink?

5. How did Noah collect kangaroos, penguins ect.?

6. How did he put them back?

7. How did Noah repopulate the world with seven people without committing incest?

8. How did their genetically defective offspring travel to unknown countries like America and Australia?
" The rain falling on the decks would have landed at the rate of about 150 tons per second. At that rate there would have around 4000 tons of standing water on the decks. Why didn't sink?"

No it was just rain, most of the water sprayed up from the fountains of the deep.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#3244 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
" If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?"
"The whole earth was covered with the Flood waters, and the world that then existed was destroyed by the very waters out of which the earth had originally emerged at God's command (Genesis 1:9; 2 Peter 3:5,6). But where did those waters go after the flood?
There are a number of Scripture passages that identify the flood waters with the present-day seas (Amos 9:6 and Job 38:8-11 note “waves”). If the waters are still here, why are the highest mountains not still covered with water, as they were in Noah's day? Psalm 104 suggests an answer. After the waters covered the mountains (verse 6), God rebuked them and they fled (verse 7); the mountains rose, the valleys sank down (verse 8) and God set a boundary so that they will never again cover the earth (verse 9)[1]. They are the same waters!
Isaiah gives this same statement that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth (Isaiah 54:9). Clearly, what the Bible is telling us is that God acted to alter the earth's topography. New continental landmasses bearing new mountain chains of folded rock strata were uplifted from below the globe-encircling waters that had eroded and leveled the pre-Flood topography, while large deep ocean basin were formed to receive and accommodate the Flood waters that then drained off the emerging continents.
That is why the oceans are so deep, and why there are folded mountain ranges. Indeed, if the entire earth's surface were leveled by smoothing out the topography of not only the land surface but also the rock surface on the ocean floor, the waters of the ocean would cover the earth's surface to a depth of 1.7 miles (2.7 kilometers). We need to remember that nearly 70 percent of the earth's surface is still covered by water. Quite clearly, then, the waters of Noah's Flood are in today's ocean basins."
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-flo...
This is the flood that you people believe carved out the Grand Canyon?
KJV

United States

#3245 Apr 19, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Now lets talk about the facts you ignored:-

1. There is NO geological evidence of a global flood.

2. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water come from?

3. If there was a global flood where did the 27,000 feet of water go to?

4. The rain falling on the decks would have landed at the rate of about 150 tons per second. At that rate there would have around 4000 tons of standing water on the decks. Why didn't sink?

5. How did Noah collect kangaroos, penguins ect.?

6. How did he put them back?

7. How did Noah repopulate the world with seven people without committing incest?

8. How did their genetically defective offspring travel to unknown countries like America and Australia?
" How did their genetically defective offspring travel to unknown countries like America and Australia?"

They were pretty good boat builders all ready.(The best on the planet at the time)
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#3246 Apr 19, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
They were pretty good boat builders all ready.(The best on the planet at the time)
OMG. This is a joke right?

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