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#2343
Jan 18, 2013
 
Khatru wrote:
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Of course the Bible contradicts itself.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
No problems. I can do that.
Luke 14:26 "“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."
There's Jesus telling us to hate our parents.
Contradiction
Luke 14 " Now great crowds were traveling with him, and he turned and said to them: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own soul,*+ he cannot be my disciple.+ 27 Whoever is not carrying his torture stake* and coming after me cannot be my disciple.+ 28 For example, who of YOU that wants to build a tower does not first sit down and calculate the expense,+ to see if he has enough to complete it?

clearly he was giving an illustration. These illustration have a meaning and are not to be taken literal.

if you read the WHOLE account he was talking to those who wanted to follow him you have to give 100 percent.

all you did was twist one one scripture , You have to read the whole thing if you want to get the sense of it.

matthew 4;5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city,+ and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him:“If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down;+ for it is written,‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.’”

satan twisted scriptures as well. Was he right in his interpretation ,No he wasnt he had a wrong motive behind itand jesus did not fall for it.

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#2344
Jan 18, 2013
 
Ah yes the tired old apologetic lie about sometimes the bible is being literal while other times it's being figurative. And who decides which is which?

The apologetic at his whim.

Pathetic.
Yellowknightmare wrote:
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clearly he was giving an illustration. These illustration have a meaning and are not to be taken literal.

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#2345
Jan 18, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ah yes the tired old apologetic lie about sometimes the bible is being literal while other times it's being figurative. And who decides which is which?
The apologetic at his whim.
Pathetic.
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Lol

That's what it comes down to.

I wonder if the Bible is giving an illustration when it says that bats are birds and insects have six legs?

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#2346
Jan 19, 2013
 
Well what do you expect from ancient sheep lickers who thought you could build a tower that would reach into Yahweh's living room?

I guess they thought about 100 feet off the ground you could climb up and poke your head through a cloud and say, hey Yahweh WAZZUP???!!!

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Lol
That's what it comes down to.
I wonder if the Bible is giving an illustration when it says that bats are birds and insects have six legs?

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#2347
Jan 22, 2013
 

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Ah yes the tired old apologetic lie about sometimes the bible is being literal while other times it's being figurative. And who decides which is which?
The apologetic at his whim.
Pathetic.
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Did you take literature or english in school ?
Im pretty sure you did.

The bible is literal symbolic, similie metaphores, allegories illustrations and so much more.

For example when jesus said" your house is abadoned to you oh isreal"

Common sense will tell the whole nation of isreal cannot be in a house so he meant that his father is no longer with them.
Meaning they are no longer his people.

because isreal or the jews made covenant with God , theybswore to only servw as nation but as time went they served others gods ,idol worship,
Baal eorship divination fortune telling omens etc he Yahweh commanded them to stay away from that... In a sense they basically married which is why isreal is dipicted as a woman who has commited adulterey on her husband..

Jesus was sent to make anew convenant with people because they were just doing rituals that were obselete . those traditions were only required because of the mosaic law which was for them to be clean.

the bible is not a lie, it was written in ancient hebrew aramic and greek.. Many words in hebrew and greek do not exist in english .

For example hail ..in greek it just means the grave..

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#2348
Jan 22, 2013
 
And Darth Vader told Luke. No Luke. I am your father.

But who cares what fictional characters say be it Darth Vader or Jesus? Although when it comes to fictional people Darth Vader was by far a better person than Jesus.

And yes we can tell the difference between an obvious metaphor in your fictional book the bible vs when they are speaking literal. Jesus and Paul approving of slavery is not metaphorical it is literal. Yahweh/Jesus commanding the Israelites to rape the young daughters of war victims or put every baby to the sword is not metaphorical.

You need to really read your book of myths known as the bible. Really read it with a skeptical mind and not just the warm fuzzy passages the preacher says to.
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Did you take literature or english in school ?
Im pretty sure you did.
The bible is literal symbolic, similie metaphores, allegories illustrations and so much more.
For example when jesus said" your house is abadoned to you oh isreal"
Common sense will tell the whole nation of isreal cannot be in a house so he meant that his father is no longer with them.
Meaning they are no longer his people.
because isreal or the jews made covenant with God , theybswore to only servw as nation but as time went they served others gods ,idol worship,
Baal eorship divination fortune telling omens etc he Yahweh commanded them to stay away from that... In a sense they basically married which is why isreal is dipicted as a woman who has commited adulterey on her husband..
Jesus was sent to make anew convenant with people because they were just doing rituals that were obselete . those traditions were only required because of the mosaic law which was for them to be clean.
the bible is not a lie, it was written in ancient hebrew aramic and greek.. Many words in hebrew and greek do not exist in english .
For example hail ..in greek it just means the grave..

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#2349
Jan 22, 2013
 
Reason Personified wrote:
.. and Moses didn't know. Just ask an Egyptian, and they will say "Moses who?". No exodus ... go figure.
You can fin the tetragram of yahweh YHWH featured in the egyptian writings.

The egyptians wouldnt record a loss, Which is why most battles they lost would not be recorded..

However they did fight some of their battles in Meghiddo.
one of the proofs of the 10 plegs is that in egypt they have green gyms all around,
Those gyms are formed when lightening at a certain heat hits the sand.

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#2350
Jan 23, 2013
 
spidersandsnakes wrote:
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You can fin the tetragram of yahweh YHWH featured in the egyptian writings.
The egyptians wouldnt record a loss, Which is why most battles they lost would not be recorded..
However they did fight some of their battles in Meghiddo.
one of the proofs of the 10 plegs is that in egypt they have green gyms all around,
Those gyms are formed when lightening at a certain heat hits the sand.
Wrong!

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#2351
Jan 23, 2013
 
He went way into the deep end there ya?
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<quoted text>Wrong!
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Jan 23, 2013
 
spidersandsnakes wrote:
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You can fin the tetragram of yahweh YHWH featured in the egyptian writings.
The egyptians wouldnt record a loss, Which is why most battles they lost would not be recorded..
However they did fight some of their battles in Meghiddo.
one of the proofs of the 10 plegs is that in egypt they have green gyms all around,
Those gyms are formed when lightening at a certain heat hits the sand.
Gyms are formed when enough people feel the need to get into shape and assemble the requisite number of iron plates and iron bars to accomplish that purpose. Plus, some cardio machines would be nice. And maybe a couple of heavy bags.

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#2353
Jan 23, 2013
 
Yellowknightmare wrote:
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Did you take literature or english in school ?
Im pretty sure you did.
The bible is literal symbolic, similie metaphores, allegories illustrations and so much more.
For example when jesus said" your house is abadoned to you oh isreal"
Common sense will tell the whole nation of isreal cannot be in a house so he meant that his father is no longer with them.
Meaning they are no longer his people.
because isreal or the jews made covenant with God , theybswore to only servw as nation but as time went they served others gods ,idol worship,
Baal eorship divination fortune telling omens etc he Yahweh commanded them to stay away from that... In a sense they basically married which is why isreal is dipicted as a woman who has commited adulterey on her husband..
Jesus was sent to make anew convenant with people because they were just doing rituals that were obselete . those traditions were only required because of the mosaic law which was for them to be clean.
the bible is not a lie, it was written in ancient hebrew aramic and greek.. Many words in hebrew and greek do not exist in english .
For example hail ..in greek it just means the grave..
So how are we supposed to tell which part of the bible to take literally or not?
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#2354
Jan 23, 2013
 
emperorjohn wrote:
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So how are we supposed to tell which part of the bible to take literally or not?
When you become a True Christian (tm) they give you a secret decoder ring so you can see which bits are to be believed as literally true and which are to be considered "allegory" or "symbolic" or some other such term. I guess the real dividing line is whether the True Christian (tm) can say it with a straight face, and without having those around him/her break out in laughter.

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#2355
Jan 23, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
He went way into the deep end there ya?
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Most definitely
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#2356
Feb 2, 2013
 
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, you. None of the quotes you gave support creationism in any way. They show that our current theories are not the final version and is ALL they say. But, any new theory will still agree with the current ones when the current ones give good answers. In other words, there will still be a hot Big bang and quantum indeterminacy. Whatever changes happen will be for *incredibly* high temperatures and densities.
The fact is QM, GR, ST don't hold up in all places in our universe.
This means they're close guesses but not accurate.

Care to explain how the laws of physics did not apply until a what is it a split second after the universe existed?

Other then the obvious answer that science has to make this "untestable" claim (lie) in order for their guesses of the Big Bang to have worked. We call that bad science.

Drink the kool-aid.
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#2357
Feb 2, 2013
 
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>And the planets will still orbit the sun is paths very close to ellipses. And we can still use Newton's laws to send probes to mars, Jupiter, or Pluto.
Oh well then I guess we're done then. No further work needs to be done if we can as you say send probes to mars!
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#2358
Feb 2, 2013
 
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>And we do not have such an observation for either theory.

Also, that does not show that they fail to be theories.
" that does not show that they fail to be theories."

I. The scientific method has four steps

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.

If the experiments bear out the hypothesis it may come to be regarded as a theory or law of nature (more on the concepts of hypothesis, model, theory and law below). If the experiments do not bear out the hypothesis, it must be rejected or modified. What is key in the description of the scientific method just given is the predictive power (the ability to get more out of the theory than you put in; see Barrow, 1991) of the hypothesis or theory, as tested by experiment. It is often said in science that theories can never be proved, only disproved. There is always the possibility that a new observation or a new experiment will conflict with a long-standing theory.

If the experiments do not bear out the hypothesis, it must be rejected!

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#2359
Feb 2, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
We call that bad science.
No.

This is bad science....

Observe phenomenon - draw a biased conclusion that fits with something in the Bible/Quran/Gita/Avesta/etc - dream up a hypothesis that supports biased conclusion - dismiss all peer evaluations as being intolerant, hate-filled, atheistic, etc.

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#2360
Feb 7, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ah yes the tired old apologetic lie about sometimes the bible is being literal while other times it's being figurative. And who decides which is which?
The apologetic at his whim.
Pathetic.
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Its not a lie,
If you study literature the writer will often use signs or tails so that the reader can get the sense of it.
For example matt 22
"In further reply Jesus again spoke to them with illustrations, saying:2“The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man, a king, that made a marriage feast for his son.3And he sent forth his slaves to call those invited to the marriage feast, but they were unwilling to come.4Again he sent forth other slaves, saying,‘Tell those invited:“Look! I have prepared my dinner, my bulls and fattened animals are slaughtered, and all things are ready. Come to the marriage feast.”’5But unconcerned they went off, one to his own field, another to his commercial business;6but the rest, laying hold of his slaves, treated them insolently and killed them.

7“But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.8Then he said to his slaves,‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy.9Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone &#8203;YOU&#8203; find invite to the marriage feast.’10Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table."

Now this is not the whole account but from reading the reader can discern that jesus was talking about Gods kingdom.
The Jews rejected the teaching of their God yahweh( Hebrew) or jehovah ( english) and they were carrying on traditions and practices that were no longer applicable..

The first century christians were the real christians because their job was to go to door telling people about Gods kingdom.
They were not suppose to be mingling in worldly affairs or being involved in the goverment.
Matt 22:17 "Tell us, therefore, What do you think? Is it lawful to pay head tax to Caesar or not?”18But Jesus, knowing their wickedness, said:“Why do &#8203;YOU&#8203; put me to the test, hypocrites?19Show me the head tax coin.” They brought him a de&#8231;nar&#8242;i &#8231;us.20And he said to them:“Whose image and inscription is this?”21They said:“Caesar’s.” Then he said to them:“Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”

From that scripture alone you can see that true Christians are not to be into politics, It shows that their is suppose to be seperation between the two...

The majority of so called christians are not christians.
The only christian organization that is bible based that follows jesus is Jehovahs witnesses..

Matthew 23:27
“Woe to &#8203;YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because &#8203;YOU&#8203; resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness.28In that way &#8203;YOU&#8203; also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside &#8203;YOU&#8203; are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

These ilustrations are from the bible. It is clear that it is not being literal.
That scripture describes the religious leaders as a grave. which appears to be holy and nice on the outside but inside is unclean.

if you look at many christian organizations for ex the Catholic chirch.
All those leaked files or priest not being punished or fired for their actions.

If you read the bible it has alot of symbolism , alliterations hyperboles etc...

the bible was written in ancient hebrew and greek...
when translated into english some of the words are not going to easy to understand.

God is not evil he is very nice, he doesnt make people serve him he lets you do what you want.

No one is going to hell or burning in gehenna, those words in greek just mean death or the grave.

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Feb 7, 2013
 
emperorjohn wrote:
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So how are we supposed to tell which part of the bible to take literally or not?
matthew 23:27 “Woe to &#8203;YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because &#8203;YOU&#8203; resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness.28In that way &#8203;YOU&#8203; also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside &#8203;YOU&#8203; are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."
jesus was referring to the hypo critical religious leaders
math23:37,38
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But &#8203;YOU&#8203; people did not want it.38Look! YOUR&#8203; house is abandoned to &#8203;YOU."

The bible refers to jerusalem and any religious organization as a woman. because God had an agreement with jews ,they were suppose to worship only him so it was a marriage agreement.

because the jews constantly went against him serving other Gods mistreating their own ppl ,killing the pophets that were sent to them he had to abandon them as his people because they did not want him by their actions.

it is the same today. You see all this war cause by religion and all the corruption and you might think they are getting away with it but no they are not.

The bible indicates that God will have them destroy them by The U.N

Revelation 17 "And he says to me:“The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

The bible refers to a women often when it is talking about a religious organization. The harlot represents false religion,or religious organizations that are found on many waters and influence
the goverments of the earth.

the bible says that goverments are goin to give their power to the wildbeast ( U.N) to carry out this

revelation 17:12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.

offcourse their is no literal wild beast..

The U.N was created the 20th century
this is one of the many signs that we are living in the period of the bible calls the last days.

Revelation 18 23,24 "and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top&#8208;ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled.24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

how did the bible writers know that false teaching and religion would bring death to innocent people or that religion would be involved in the governments??? how did they know that the religions would be making the merchants rich?

The book of revelation was written like 2,000 years ago.
so many examples of the bible being literal and symbolic

You can do what you want but the bible is 100% truth...
If it is telling the truth about this, than everything else true as well.
the scientist can speculate how religion is going to fail but the bible already wrote it 2000 years ago.

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Feb 7, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
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" that does not show that they fail to be theories."
I. The scientific method has four steps
1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.
2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.
3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.
4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.
If the experiments bear out the hypothesis it may come to be regarded as a theory or law of nature (more on the concepts of hypothesis, model, theory and law below). If the experiments do not bear out the hypothesis, it must be rejected or modified. What is key in the description of the scientific method just given is the predictive power (the ability to get more out of the theory than you put in; see Barrow, 1991) of the hypothesis or theory, as tested by experiment. It is often said in science that theories can never be proved, only disproved. There is always the possibility that a new observation or a new experiment will conflict with a long-standing theory.
If the experiments do not bear out the hypothesis, it must be rejected!
Let us now apply this to the bibull:-
Hypothesis:-
The Earth is flat.
WRONG.

Hypothesis:-
Pi equals three.
WRONG.

Hypothesis:-
Snakes talk.
WRONG.

Hypothesis:-
Noah's flood.
WRONG.

Hypothesis:-
The Earth is 6000 years old.
WRONG.

Hypothesis:-
Plants were made before there was light.
WRONG.

Hypothesis:-
Six days of creation.
WRONG.

Hypothesis:-
Seas part.
WRONG.

Hypothesis:-
Exodus.
WRONG.

Huummm, now what were you trying to say???

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