Noah's flood real

[Givemeliberty]

Funny in the other thread you claimed to not be a godbot but here you are in full godbot mode. Jesus of where? Did you mean Jesus of Nazareth by chance? By the way Nazareth didn't even exist until the mid to late second century so he couldn't have come from there. Not to mention we have no proof that this Jesus even existed.

Yellowknightmare wrote:

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Jesus did not kill anyone.
The apostle paul saw met jesus.
Paul was killed for preaching the news jesus told his deciples to do.
The first century christians were persecuted because they did not supportnthe violence ofbthe roman empire
It wasnt until after the third did false prophets rose to turn people away from the truth
Hellfire, everlasting torture, immortal souls hell
Those are all myths. The word hellnin greek just means the common grave.. The gehenna just means death also.
Christianity practice today is not real but false.
jesus of nazzarus was peaceful and innocent.
Jesus said at matthew 24 that after the faithful apostles died false prophets would arise twisting the scriptures for their own selfish gain .
Which is why false religion will be done away with. But before that Jesus said hood news of Gods kingdom wouldnbe preachednin all the nations..

[Reason Personified]

Yellowknightmare wrote:

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Jesus did not kill anyone.
The apostle paul saw met jesus.
Paul was killed for preaching the news jesus told his deciples to do.
The first century christians were persecuted because they did not supportnthe violence ofbthe roman empire
It wasnt until after the third did false prophets rose to turn people away from the truth
Hellfire, everlasting torture, immortal souls hell
Those are all myths. The word hellnin greek just means the common grave.. The gehenna just means death also.
Christianity practice today is not real but false.
jesus of nazzarus was peaceful and innocent.
Jesus said at matthew 24 that after the faithful apostles died false prophets would arise twisting the scriptures for their own selfish gain .
Which is why false religion will be done away with. But before that Jesus said hood news of Gods kingdom wouldnbe preachednin all the nations..

I suggest you do a bit of studying, try the bible, the lost books of the bible, the Koran, and the Torah, then you will be able to carry on a discussion here.

from THOMAS'S GOSPEL of the INFANCY of JESUS CHRIST
7. Another time Jesus went forth into the street, and a boy running by, rushed upon his shoulder;

8. At which Jesus being angry, said to him, thou shalt go no farther.

9. And he instantly fell down dead:

10. Which when some persons saw, they said, Where was this boy born, that everything which he says presently cometh to pass?

11. Then the parents of the dead buy going to Joseph complained, saying, You are not fit to live with us, in our city, having such a boy as that:

12. Either teach him that he bless and not curse, or else depart hence with him, for he kills our children.

13. Then Joseph calling the boy Jesus by himself, instructed him saying, Why doest thou such things to injure the people so, that they hate us and prosecute us?

14. But Jesus replied, I know that what thou sayest is not of thyself, but for thy sake I will say nothing;

15. But they who have said these things to thee, shall suffer everlasting punishment.

16. And immediately they who had accused him became blind.

17. And all they who saw it were exceedingly afraid and confounded, and said concerning him, Whatsoever he saith, whether good or bad, immediately cometh to pass: and they were amazed.

18. And when they saw this action of Christ, Joseph arose, and plucked him by the ear, at which the boy was angry, and said to him, Be easy;

19 .For if they seek for us, they shall not find us: thou hast done very imprudently.

20. Dost thou not know that I am thine? Trouble me no more.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob08.h...

[KJV]

Archaeologist claims evidence of Noah’s biblical flood
Published December 12, 2012FoxNews.

First he found the Titanic -- will he find the only ship more famous?

Robert Ballard, the underwater archaeologist famed for discovering the wreck of the Titanic in 1985, claims to have found evidence of the biblical flood that Noah fled, surfing the waters for 40 days and 40 nights, according to Genesis. He says the Black Sea was once merely a freshwater lake -- until an enormous wall of water from the Mediterranean 200 times more powerful than Niagara Falls swept it and everything else away. Including Noah and his ark.

"We went in there to look for the flood," Ballard told ABC News. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed ... the land that went under stayed under."

'The questions is, was there a mother of all floods?'
- Archaeologist Robert Ballard

The archaeologist’s team is studying the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey in search of a civilization lost since biblical times, ABC reported, following up on a controversial theory from two Columbia University scientists. They connect the end of an Ice Age, when frozen sheets covered North America and stretched to the North Pole."

[KJV]

New Evidence Suggests Biblical Great Flood Happened

By JENNA MILLMAN, BRYAN TAYLOR and LAUREN EFFRON (@LEffron831) Dec 28, 2012, 11:39 AM

The story of Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is one of the most famous from the Bible, and now an acclaimed underwater archaeologist thinks he has found proof that the biblical flood was actually based on real events.

ABC News
In an interview with Christiane Amanpour for ABC News, Robert Ballard, one of the world's best-known underwater archaeologists, talked about his findings. His team is probing the depths of the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey in search of traces of an ancient civilization hidden underwater since the time of Noah.

Ballard's track record for finding the impossible is well known. In 1985, using a robotic submersible equipped with remote-controlled cameras, Ballard and his crew hunted down the world's most famous shipwreck, the Titanic.

Now Ballard is using even more advanced robotic technology to travel farther back in time. He is on a marine archeological mission that might support the story of Noah. He said some 12,000 years ago, much of the world was covered in ice.

"Where I live in Connecticut was ice a mile above my house, all the way back to the North Pole, about 15 million kilometers, that's a big ice cube," he said. "But then it started to melt. We're talking about the floods of our living history."

The water from the melting glaciers began to rush toward the world's oceans, Ballard said, causing floods all around the world.

"The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.

According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.

Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.

"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."

[KJV]

Part 2

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Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred.

"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under."

The theory goes on to suggest that the story of this traumatic event, seared into the collective memory of the survivors, was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.

Noah is described in the Bible as a family man, a father of three, who is about to celebrate his 600th birthday.

"In the early chapters of Genesis, people live 800 years, 700 years, 900 years," said Rabbi Burt Visotzky, a professor of Talmud and Rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. "Those are mythic numbers, those are way too big. We don't quite know what to do with that. So sometimes those large numbers, I think, also serve to reinforce the mystery of the text."

Some of the details of the Noah story seem mythical, so many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular "The Epic of Gilgamesh." These ancient narratives were already being passed down from one generation to the next, centuries before Noah appeared in the Bible.

"The earlier Mesopotamian stories are very similar where the gods are sending a flood to wipe out humans," said biblical archaeologist Eric Cline. "There's one man they choose to survive. He builds a boat and brings on animals and lands on a mountain and lives happily ever after? I would argue that it's the same story."

Catastrophic events of this kind are not unique to the Bible. Some contemporary examples include the 2004 tsunami that wiped out villages on the coasts of 11 countries surrounding the Indian Ocean. There was also Hurricane Katrina, described as the worst hurricane in United States history."

[KJV]

Part 3

"Scholars aren't sure if the biblical flood was larger or smaller than these modern day disasters, but they do think the experiences of people in ancient times were similar to our own.

"If you witness a terrible natural disaster, yes, you want a scientific explanation why this has happened," said Karen Armstrong, author of "A History of God." "But you also need to something that will help you to assuage your grief and anguish and rage. And it is here that myth helps us through that."

Regardless of whether the details of the Noah story are historically accurate, Armstrong believes this story and all the Biblical stories are telling us "about our predicament in the world now."

Back in the Black Sea, Ballard said he is aware that not everyone agrees with his conclusions about the time and size of the flood, but he's confident he's on the path to finding something from the biblical period.

"We started finding structures that looked like they were man-made structures," Ballard said. "That's where we are focusing our attention right now."

At first Ballard's team found piles of ancient pottery, but then they made an even more important discovery. Last year, Ballard discovered a vessel and one of its crew members in the Black Sea.

"That is a perfectly preserved ancient shipwreck in all its wood, looks like a lumber yard," he said. "But if you look closely, you will see the femur bone and actually a molar."

The shipwreck was in surprisingly good condition, preserved because the Black Sea has almost no oxygen in it, which slows down the process of decay, but it does not date back as far as the story of Noah.

"The oldest shipwreck that we have discovered so far of that area is around 500 BC, classical period," Ballard said. "But the question is you just keep searching. It's a matter of statistics."

Still, Ballard said the find gives him hope that he will discover something older "because there, in fact, the deep sea is the largest museum on Earth," he said.

Ballard does not think he will ever find Noah's Ark, but he does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago. He and his team said they plan to return to Turkey next summer.

"It's foolish to think you will ever find a ship," Ballard said, referring to the Ark. "But can you find people who were living? Can you find their villages that are underwater now? And the answer is yes."

[KJV]

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1207/features/noah.htm

[Thinking]

Bollocks.

KJV wrote:

Part 3
"Scholars aren't sure if the biblical flood was larger or smaller than these modern day disasters, but they do think the experiences of people in ancient times were similar to our own.
"If you witness a terrible natural disaster, yes, you want a scientific explanation why this has happened," said Karen Armstrong, author of "A History of God." "But you also need to something that will help you to assuage your grief and anguish and rage. And it is here that myth helps us through that."
Regardless of whether the details of the Noah story are historically accurate, Armstrong believes this story and all the Biblical stories are telling us "about our predicament in the world now."
Back in the Black Sea, Ballard said he is aware that not everyone agrees with his conclusions about the time and size of the flood, but he's confident he's on the path to finding something from the biblical period.
"We started finding structures that looked like they were man-made structures," Ballard said. "That's where we are focusing our attention right now."
At first Ballard's team found piles of ancient pottery, but then they made an even more important discovery. Last year, Ballard discovered a vessel and one of its crew members in the Black Sea.
"That is a perfectly preserved ancient shipwreck in all its wood, looks like a lumber yard," he said. "But if you look closely, you will see the femur bone and actually a molar."
The shipwreck was in surprisingly good condition, preserved because the Black Sea has almost no oxygen in it, which slows down the process of decay, but it does not date back as far as the story of Noah.
"The oldest shipwreck that we have discovered so far of that area is around 500 BC, classical period," Ballard said. "But the question is you just keep searching. It's a matter of statistics."
Still, Ballard said the find gives him hope that he will discover something older "because there, in fact, the deep sea is the largest museum on Earth," he said.
Ballard does not think he will ever find Noah's Ark, but he does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago. He and his team said they plan to return to Turkey next summer.
"It's foolish to think you will ever find a ship," Ballard said, referring to the Ark. "But can you find people who were living? Can you find their villages that are underwater now? And the answer is yes."

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Richardfs wrote:

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Is it any wounder we just laugh at you?

The ungodly laughed at Noah too, but then the rains began. And as Jesus said in the end times it shall be as in the days of Noah.

[Thinking]

Hissy fit gods like yours are pathetic.

What wrote:

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The ungodly laughed at Noah too, but then the rains began. And as Jesus said in the end times it shall be as in the days of Noah.

[Givemeliberty]

The redwoods in America are more than enough proof there was no global flood. These ancient trees could not have survived such a flood.

[KJV]

Givemeliberty wrote:

The redwoods in America are more than enough proof there was no global flood. These ancient trees could not have survived such a flood.

"As the harsh wind whistles around the ancient, branched giants, visitors can’t help experience a sense of awe, faced with the trees' magnificence. This humbling feeling is well justified: these trees are older than any other single living organism known to man. And, as the visitors come and go, the wise old trees simply stand, impassive, as if gently guarding the world.

In this beautiful night shot, a bristlecone tree trunk sits against a backdrop of star trails in the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest in eastern California's White Mountains. This particular trunk can be found in the park’s Methuselah Grove, which was named after the oldest of its inhabitants,“Methuselah”(i n turn named after the oldest person in the Bible)– an unmarked bristlecone pine that is, by some accounts, 4,844 years old! Yup, that’s right, we didn’t add an extra digit at the end by mistake; the tree really is just 156 years short of living for five millennia, making it 1,000 years older than any other tree on Earth!"

[Hidingfromyou]

KJV wrote:

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"As the harsh wind whistles around the ancient, branched giants, visitors can’t help experience a sense of awe, faced with the trees' magnificence. This humbling feeling is well justified: these trees are older than any other single living organism known to man. And, as the visitors come and go, the wise old trees simply stand, impassive, as if gently guarding the world.
In this beautiful night shot, a bristlecone tree trunk sits against a backdrop of star trails in the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest in eastern California's White Mountains. This particular trunk can be found in the park’s Methuselah Grove, which was named after the oldest of its inhabitants,“Methuselah”(i n turn named after the oldest person in the Bible)– an unmarked bristlecone pine that is, by some accounts, 4,844 years old! Yup, that’s right, we didn’t add an extra digit at the end by mistake; the tree really is just 156 years short of living for five millennia, making it 1,000 years older than any other tree on Earth!"

There was a massive flood in America many millions of years ago. That one isn't recorded in human history though.

It happened when an enormous ice damn burst and glacial floodwaters destroyed everything in their path, even carving the foothills as they are today. No one denies the floods we observe through evidence.

We deny the silly ones that your holy book borrowed from Mesopotamia, and then added some nice Jehovah twists. You silly copycats!

[emperorjohn]

Yellowknightmare wrote:

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He does not make up harsh rules..... Jehovah ( yahweh ( hebrew) would never ask someone to kill their child... That orginates from false worship

Jephtah, leading the Israelite army, promised God he would offer as sacrifice the first thing that met him when he came back from the battle. It turned out to be his daughter, a young unmarried girl who is never named. Jephtah and his daughter were trapped, and the girl was sacrificed

[Hidingfromyou]

emperorjohn wrote:

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Jephtah, leading the Israelite army, promised God he would offer as sacrifice the first thing that met him when he came back from the battle. It turned out to be his daughter, a young unmarried girl who is never named. Jephtah and his daughter were trapped, and the girl was sacrificed

How perfectly moral of the Jewish deity.

[Reason Personified]

What wrote:

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The ungodly laughed at Noah too, but then the rains began. And as Jesus said in the end times it shall be as in the days of Noah.

And the sane, still do. The insane, not so much.

How much of a believer are you, have you brought any of your neighbors before the town council for wearing mixed fibers yet? How about just those who work on the Sabbath? Your god demands that you drag these sinners before the community leaders, and then you are to participate in the public stoning to death of those who would mock your god by not obeying.

By not doing this, you too are mocking your god. I think it's because just like me, you don't believe in him. The difference between us? I don't lie about it.

And, b-t-w, threatening us with hell is just silly. We don't believe in Zombie Jesus, and we aren't going to pretend to be vampires and cannibals either.

[Reason Personified]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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How perfectly moral of the Jewish deity.

And how shitty of daddy Jepthah, and how fairy tale of him to offer the first thing he met on his return. A girl child wasn't much of a sacrifice for that misogynistic era, imagine if there had been a community parade that day, or if Jesus had been hanging around feeding the multitudes.

[emperorjohn]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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How perfectly moral of the Jewish deity.

It also was misogynistic. God stopped Abraham from killing his son, but not this guy from killing his daughter.

[polymath257]

KJV wrote:

According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.

I just want to point out that this is a *local* flood, although a very large one. It is NOT evidence of a *global* flood. In fact, it may well be where the Noah legend got started, but it doesn't support the idea that the *whole world* was flooded.

[polymath257]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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There was a massive flood in America many millions of years ago. That one isn't recorded in human history though.
It happened when an enormous ice damn burst and glacial floodwaters destroyed everything in their path, even carving the foothills as they are today. No one denies the floods we observe through evidence.

I assume you mean the ice dam*s* that broke and produced the scablands in the western US. These were very recent events, happening at the end of the last ice age with repeated dam breakages between about 20,000 and 12,000 years ago.