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Jan 11, 2013
 
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Not really, they both and others around the world all happened at the same time.
Not even close.

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Yes I know he is looking for the ark under the assumption that it was a local flood.
Why would you need an ark for a local flood? 2+2=3?
It don't add up. Sorry the flood must have been as the Bible stated it.
Along with the lifting of the lands and the dropping of the ocean floors.
Dinosaurs grave yards are as expected in the collection of dead animals it the eddies and whirlpool.
Well, the flood they are talking about for the Black Sea was very large: the Black Sea is a pretty good sized body of water. let's face it. The original boat (if there was one) was probably closer to the story that appears in the epic of Gilgamesh: small and just enough for a few people and animals to survive. The elaboration into an ark and ALL animals was probably a later things.

As for the dinosaur grave yards: eddies and whirls produce effects in the soil that would be recorded. And are not. Theory falsified.
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Jan 11, 2013
 
Part 2

Cascade Mountains
Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington), Yakima (Washington), Warm Springs (Oregon), Joshua (southern Oregon), Smith River (northern California coast), Wintu (north central California), Maidu (central California), Northern Miwok (central California), Tuleyome Miwok (near Clear Lake, California), Olamentko Miwok (Bodega Bay, California) Ohlone (San Francisco to Monterey, California)
Kato (Mendocino County, California)
Shasta (northern California interior), Pomo (north central California), Salinan (California), Yuma (western Arizona, southern California), Havasupai (lower Colorado River)
Ashochimi (California)
Yurok (north California coast), Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana), Cree (Canada), Timagami Ojibway (Canada), Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin), Ottawa, Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border), Cheyenne (Minnesota), Yellowstone, Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence), Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada), Algonquin (upper Ottowa River), Lenape (Delaware)(Delaware to New York)
Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee)
Mandan (North Dakota), Lakota
Choctaw (Mississippi), Natchez (Lower Mississippi)
Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana)
Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas), Pawnee (Nebraska)
Navajo (Four Corners area), Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico)
Sia (northeast Arizona)
Acagchemem (near San Juan Capistrano, California), Luiseño (Southern California), Pima (southwest Arizona), Papago (Arizona), Hopi (northeast Arizona), Zuni (New Mexico)
Central America
Tarascan (northern Michoacan, Mexico), Michoacan (Mexico)
Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico), Tarahumara (Northern Mexico), Huichol (western Mexico), Cora (east of the Huichols), Tepecano (southeast of the Huichols), Tepehua (eastern Mexico), Toltec (Mexico), Nahua (central Mexico), Tlaxcalan (central Mexico)
Tlapanec (south central Mexico), Mixtec (northern Oaxaca, Mexico), Zapotec (Oaxaca, southern Mexico), Trique (Oaxaca, southern Mexico)
Totonac (eastern Mexico)
Chol (southern Mexico), Tzeltal (Chiapas, southern Mexico), Quiché(Guatemala), Maya (southern Mexico and Guatemala)
Popoluca (Veracruz, Mexico)
Nicaragua, Panama
Carib (Antilles)
South America
Acawai (Orinoco), Arekuna (Guyana), Makiritare (Venezuela), Macusi (British Guyana)
Muysca (Colombia), Yaruro (southern Venezuela)
Yanomamö(southern Venezuela)
Tamanaque (Orinoco), Arawak (Guyana), Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (Purus R., Brazil), Ipurina (Upper Amazon)
Jivaro (eastern Ecuador), Shuar (Andes)
Murato (eastern Ecuador)
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Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region), Eastern Brazil (Cape Frio region), Caraya (Araguaia River, central Brazil), Coroado (south Brazil)
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Greek:
Zeus sent a flood to destroy the men of the Bronze Age. Prometheus advised his son Deucalion to build a chest. All other men perished except for a few who escaped to high mountains. The mountains in Thessaly were parted, and all the world beyond the Isthmus and Peloponnese was overwhelmed. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha (daughter of Epimetheus and Pandora), after floating in the chest for nine days and nights, landed on Parnassus. When the rains ceased, he sacrificed to Zeus, the God of Escape. At the bidding of Zeus, he threw stones over his head; they became men, and the stones which Pyrrha threw became women. That is why people are called laoi, from laas, "a stone." [Apollodorus, 1.7.2]

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Jan 11, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Not even close.
ERRORS ARE FEARED IN CARBON DATING

By MALCOLM W. BROWNE
Published: May 31, 1990

Since 1947, scientists have reckoned the ages of many old objects by measuring the amounts of radioactive carbon they contain. New research shows, however, that some estimates based on carbon may have erred by thousands of years.
It is too soon to know whether the discovery will seriously upset the estimated dates of events like the arrival of human beings in the Western Hemisphere, scientists said. But it is already clear that the carbon method of dating will have to be recalibrated and corrected in some cases.
Scientists at the Lamont-Doherty Geological Laboratory of Columbia University at Palisades, N.Y., reported today in the British journal Nature that some estimates of age based on carbon analyses were wrong by as much as 3,500 years. They arrived at this conclusion by comparing age estimates obtained using two different methods - analysis of radioactive carbon in a sample and determination of the ratio of uranium to thorium in the sample. In some cases, the latter ratio appears to be a much more accurate gauge of age than the customary method of carbon dating, the scientists said.

In principle, any material of plant or animal origin, including textiles, wood, bones and leather, can be dated by its content of carbon 14, a radioactive form of carbon in the environment that is incorporated by all living things. Because it is radioactive, carbon 14 steadily decays into other substances. But when a plant or animal dies, it can no longer accumulate fresh carbon 14, and the supply in the organism at the time of death is gradually depleted.
Since the rate of depletion has been accurately determined (half of any given amount of carbon 14 decays in 5,730 years), scientists can calculate the time elapsed since something died from its residual carbon 14.

Dating Subject to Error
But scientists have long recognized that carbon dating is subject to error because of a variety of factors, including contamination by outside sources of carbon. Therefore they have sought ways to calibrate and correct the carbon dating method. The best gauge they have found is dendrochronology: the measurement of age by tree rings.
Accurate tree ring records of age are available for a period extending 9,000 years into the past. But the tree ring record goes no further, so scientists have sought other indicators of age against which carbon dates can be compared. One such indicator is the uranium-thorium dating method used by the Lamont-Doherty group.

Uranium 234, a radioactive element present in the environment, slowly decays to form thorium 230. Using a mass spectrometer, an instrument that accelerates streams of atoms and uses magnets to sort them out according to mass and electric charge, the group has learned to measure the ratio of uranium to thorium very precisely.

The Lamont-Doherty scientists conducted their analyses on samples of coral drilled from a reef off the island of Barbados. The samples represented animals that lived at various times during the last 30,000 years.

Uranium-Thorium Dating
Dr. Alan Zindler, a professor of geology at Columbia University who is a member of the Lamont-Doherty research group, said age estimates using the carbon dating and uranium-thorium dating differed only slightly for the period from 9,000 years ago to the present.''But at earlier times, the carbon dates were substantially younger than the dates we estimated by uranium-thorium analysis,'' he said.''The largest deviation, 3,500 years, was obtained for samples that are about 20,000 years old.''
One reason the group believes the uranium-thorium estimates to be more accurate than carbon dating is that they produce better matches between known changes in the Earth's orbit and changes in global glaciation.
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#2191
Jan 11, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Not even close.
"There are circumstances that provide opportunities for testing. Dinosaurs which are supposed have lived at least 60 million years ago, should not yield dates of thousands of years. Rocks known to have formed in historical times should not yield dates of millions of years."

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Jan 11, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Well, the flood they are talking about for the Black Sea was very large: the Black Sea is a pretty good sized body of water. let's face it. The original boat (if there was one) was probably closer to the story that appears in the epic of Gilgamesh: small and just enough for a few people and animals to survive. The elaboration into an ark and ALL animals was probably a later things.

As for the dinosaur grave yards: eddies and whirls produce effects in the soil that would be recorded. And are not. Theory falsified.
No, the soil does back it up.
Grave yard after grave yard are described a pack of dinosaurs trying to cross a swollen river. Or local flood had collected a bunch of dead dinosaurs in one spot. Science doesn't want to use the Noah flood so they reach around it.
Science dating methods are a joke to say the least.
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#2193
Jan 11, 2013
 
Science and their great dating methods!

Dinosaur Bone
(Illium bone of an Acrocanthosarus)
Radio carbon dated at 19,000 years old!

Wood embedded in "110 million year old limestone"
Radio carbon dated at 890 years old!

Carbonized stick embedded in "110 million year old limestone"
Radio carbon dated at 12,900 years old!

Mt. St. Helens
The new lava dome (dacite) from the at Mount St. Helens was formed in 1986. In 1997 five specimens were taken from this dome at five different locations and subjected to conventional Potassium-Argon dating. The results indicated ages of less than one half to almost three million years old, all from eleven year old rock.

We know when this dome formed. When we date rock of known age we test the claims and we see obvious failures. But, when we date rock of unknown age, we are assured that the results are accurate.

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Jan 11, 2013
 
"Scientists attempt to check the accuracy of carbon dating by comparing carbon dating data to data from other dating methods. Other methods scientists use include counting rock layers and tree rings. When scientists first began to compare carbon dating data to data from tree rings, they found carbon dating provided "too-young" estimates of artifact age. Scientists now realize that production of carbon-14 has not been constant over the years, but has changed as the radiation from the sun has fluctuated."

http://www.creationstudies.org/operationsalt/...
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"Background.
Although we’ve been taught that radiological dating methods are accurate, they have limitations. Radiological dating gives rather extreme age variation, and its interpretation requires many assumptions. Each year scientists keep adding more time to the age of the earth and to the rock layers to make geological evolution seem more “plausible.” A review of science books over the last 20 years shows on average (if you believe the textbooks), the earth is growing older by 28 million years each year. The truth is that new scientific discoveries and radiocarbon dating prove that evolution is a hoax.

Carbon Dating. Radiocarbon dating can only date an object that is about 30,000 or so years old. It has a half life or decay rate of 5,360 years, and after 5-7 half lives, it becomes too small to measure. This means that radiocarbon dating methods aren’t usable for dating older objects. We can only use radiocarbon dating to date items several thousand years old.
If earth is billions of years old (it isn’t), radioactive carbon (C14) should be absent from the early formed rock layers deep in the earth because it would have decayed to an un-measurable level. However, recent studies, such as the “Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth”(RATE) study have found C14 in measurable levels from diamonds carefully removed from more than a mile below the earth’s surface. They found radiocarbon when none could be present if the earth were millions of years old. This finding, by itself, conclusively proves the earth is relatively young, approximately 6,000 years old.

Rocks & Fossils. Rocks, minerals, and fossils cannot be dated accurately by any known scientific method, including radiometric techniques. When we read that a fossil is millions or billions of years old, these are merely beliefs or opinions and not based on science.
For example, a rock aged by two different scientists using the most advanced radiometric technique was reported to be 10,000 years old by one scientist. The other scientist aged the same rock at several billion years.

Living Snails. Another absurdity is that living snails were aged at 27,000 years old by radiometric dating methods. Errors of 1000% or more are common, but the public has been duped into believing radiometric dating is a highly accurate technique and proves an old age of the earth. On the contrary, radiometric dating proves the earth is young.

Helium. Another indicator is helium. Nuclear decay creates helium, which is easily lost to the air. The large amount of helium that can still be found in rock layers today indicates the earth is between 4,000 and 10,000 years old, not billions of years old."

http://www.creationproof.com/id25.html

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Jan 11, 2013
 
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"No one denies the floods we observe through evidence."
You just have the dates wrong.
Nope. There was no Biblical flood. Once again, the Biblical flood was borrowed from the Mesopotamian one through cultural diffusion.

It's a myth, pure and simple. Hence, no evidence for it. Hence, only people lacking in scientific education and who are religious still believe it. Like the really ignorant who actually believe, against all reason and evidence, that the Earth is only 6000 years old, because of an ignorant, outdated Catholic doctrine that even the Catholics have officially put to rest.

It honestly doesn't get any more ironic than that for you creationist protestants who absurdly believe in archaic Catholic doctrine.

But, hey KJV, thanks for the entertainment ;)

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Well, the flood they are talking about for the Black Sea was very large: the Black Sea is a pretty good sized body of water. let's face it. The original boat (if there was one) was probably closer to the story that appears in the epic of Gilgamesh: small and just enough for a few people and animals to survive. The elaboration into an ark and ALL animals was probably a later things.
As for the dinosaur grave yards: eddies and whirls produce effects in the soil that would be recorded. And are not. Theory falsified.
Nah. No boat. Noah's flood comes from the Sumerian flood stories, mainly because Ur flooded a lot. So they had flood gods and flood myths.

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Jan 11, 2013
 
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Sure, floods happen. Did you read the stories? Most of them are local floods. There are other problems - Frazer is an oft quoted source, but he got his information from explorers, so it's all heresy. And Frazer knew he was writing for the European audience and was pretty loose with his writing. I honestly don't expect you to know this, though.

So...which flood is true? The stories don't match. They don't agree with the Biblical story. They aren't all the same story, but reveal that lots of peoples throughout history were dependent on water and recognized that water itself is a dangerous and unpredictable thing. They also show that water can be used to wipe the slate clean - when the child asks "what came before us?" the ignorant can say "oh, a big flood, then us. So we're first."

Many of them explain how the first people arose - that contradicts the Biblical flood. It's cute that you're trying to forcefit them all into your story, though.

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Jan 11, 2013
 
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It's ok, John. I went back in time and killed Abraham's whiny son. And his wife. Then I told Abraham "see what happens when you piss off Hiding!"
He ... uh ... this is embarrassing, really. He didn't understand English and thought I was some kind of avenging angel. Not sure why that didn't make it into the Bible.
Anyways, next week I'm going to kill Krebous. I think I can narrow down the New Testament to Jesus if I kill off his sidekick before they meet. You know it drives me nuts when all these Christians quote Krebous, that self-righteous sexist bastard!
So, yeah, if by next week you don't remember a Krebous, I was successful. Just make sure you come back to this post to remind you that you should remember Krebous.
Thanks for the laugh.

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Nah. No boat. Noah's flood comes from the Sumerian flood stories, mainly because Ur flooded a lot. So they had flood gods and flood myths.
You damned witch! Blasphemer! How dare you imply that the authors of the buybull plagiarized their works. So what Horus had a virgin birth? So what Mises is similar to Moses and he too, opened up the seas. So what the stories of the births of King Sargon the Great and Moses are similar. The buybull is the truth, no matter how many stories it may seem like it copied from.

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Yes I know he is looking for the ark under the assumption that it was a local flood.
Why would you need an ark for a local flood? 2+2=3?
It don't add up. Sorry the flood must have been as the Bible stated it.
Along with the lifting of the lands and the dropping of the ocean floors.
Dinosaurs grave yards are as expected in the collection of dead animals it the eddies and whirlpool.
So your god created the dinosaurs so that they could all drown in a flood?

I see.

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So your god created the dinosaurs so that they could all drown in a flood?
I see.
Don't doubt the extent of Yahweh's cruelty or stupidity.

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So your god created the dinosaurs so that they could all drown in a flood?
I see.
That makes perfect sense.

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Jan 12, 2013
 
So there was dinosaurs 4000 years ago stomping around?

What an idiot I bet home schooled right?
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No, the soil does back it up.
Grave yard after grave yard are described a pack of dinosaurs trying to cross a swollen river. Or local flood had collected a bunch of dead dinosaurs in one spot. Science doesn't want to use the Noah flood so they reach around it.
Science dating methods are a joke to say the least.

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Jan 12, 2013
 
Could you imagine the stolen material lawsuits that would happen were the bible cobbled together today? Lol :)
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<quoted text> You damned witch! Blasphemer! How dare you imply that the authors of the buybull plagiarized their works. So what Horus had a virgin birth? So what Mises is similar to Moses and he too, opened up the seas. So what the stories of the births of King Sargon the Great and Moses are similar. The buybull is the truth, no matter how many stories it may seem like it copied from.
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<quoted text>Nope. There was no Biblical flood. Once again, the Biblical flood was borrowed from the Mesopotamian one through cultural diffusion.

It's a myth, pure and simple. Hence, no evidence for it. Hence, only people lacking in scientific education and who are religious still believe it. Like the really ignorant who actually believe, against all reason and evidence, that the Earth is only 6000 years old, because of an ignorant, outdated Catholic doctrine that even the Catholics have officially put to rest.

It honestly doesn't get any more ironic than that for you creationist protestants who absurdly believe in archaic Catholic doctrine.

But, hey KJV, thanks for the entertainment ;)
"Biblical flood was borrowed from the the Mesopotamian one"

So because the Mesopotamian wrote about a world wide flood it could not be that same flood that is talked about in the Bible?

Is that what you're saying?

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