Noah's flood real

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#2170 Jan 11, 2013
Yellowknightmare wrote:
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He does not make up harsh rules..... Jehovah ( yahweh ( hebrew) would never ask someone to kill their child... That orginates from false worship
Jephtah, leading the Israelite army, promised God he would offer as sacrifice the first thing that met him when he came back from the battle. It turned out to be his daughter, a young unmarried girl who is never named. Jephtah and his daughter were trapped, and the girl was sacrificed

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#2171 Jan 11, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Jephtah, leading the Israelite army, promised God he would offer as sacrifice the first thing that met him when he came back from the battle. It turned out to be his daughter, a young unmarried girl who is never named. Jephtah and his daughter were trapped, and the girl was sacrificed
How perfectly moral of the Jewish deity.

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Earth,TX

#2172 Jan 11, 2013
What wrote:
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The ungodly laughed at Noah too, but then the rains began. And as Jesus said in the end times it shall be as in the days of Noah.
And the sane, still do. The insane, not so much.

How much of a believer are you, have you brought any of your neighbors before the town council for wearing mixed fibers yet? How about just those who work on the Sabbath? Your god demands that you drag these sinners before the community leaders, and then you are to participate in the public stoning to death of those who would mock your god by not obeying.

By not doing this, you too are mocking your god. I think it's because just like me, you don't believe in him. The difference between us? I don't lie about it.

And, b-t-w, threatening us with hell is just silly. We don't believe in Zombie Jesus, and we aren't going to pretend to be vampires and cannibals either.

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#2173 Jan 11, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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How perfectly moral of the Jewish deity.
And how shitty of daddy Jepthah, and how fairy tale of him to offer the first thing he met on his return. A girl child wasn't much of a sacrifice for that misogynistic era, imagine if there had been a community parade that day, or if Jesus had been hanging around feeding the multitudes.

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#2174 Jan 11, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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How perfectly moral of the Jewish deity.
It also was misogynistic. God stopped Abraham from killing his son, but not this guy from killing his daughter.

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#2175 Jan 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.
I just want to point out that this is a *local* flood, although a very large one. It is NOT evidence of a *global* flood. In fact, it may well be where the Noah legend got started, but it doesn't support the idea that the *whole world* was flooded.

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#2176 Jan 11, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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There was a massive flood in America many millions of years ago. That one isn't recorded in human history though.
It happened when an enormous ice damn burst and glacial floodwaters destroyed everything in their path, even carving the foothills as they are today. No one denies the floods we observe through evidence.
I assume you mean the ice dam*s* that broke and produced the scablands in the western US. These were very recent events, happening at the end of the last ice age with repeated dam breakages between about 20,000 and 12,000 years ago.

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#2177 Jan 11, 2013
Although, the Black Sea flood was even more dramatic than the Glacier Lake floods.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#2178 Jan 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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..it may well be where the Noah legend got started, but it doesn't support the idea that the *whole world* was flooded.
I think the likely source of the myth was flooding in the Euphrates, and this was the basis for the Bablyonian story "The Epic of Gilgamesh", which was retold as the Genesis flood.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/noah_com.ht...

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#2179 Jan 11, 2013
Adam wrote:
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I think the likely source of the myth was flooding in the Euphrates, and this was the basis for the Bablyonian story "The Epic of Gilgamesh", which was retold as the Genesis flood.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/noah_com.ht...
Yes, especially, the flood around Nineva is a good candidate for the Noah myth.

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#2180 Jan 11, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> It also was misogynistic. God stopped Abraham from killing his son, but not this guy from killing his daughter.
It's ok, John. I went back in time and killed Abraham's whiny son. And his wife. Then I told Abraham "see what happens when you piss off Hiding!"

He ... uh ... this is embarrassing, really. He didn't understand English and thought I was some kind of avenging angel. Not sure why that didn't make it into the Bible.

Anyways, next week I'm going to kill Krebous. I think I can narrow down the New Testament to Jesus if I kill off his sidekick before they meet. You know it drives me nuts when all these Christians quote Krebous, that self-righteous sexist bastard!

So, yeah, if by next week you don't remember a Krebous, I was successful. Just make sure you come back to this post to remind you that you should remember Krebous.

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#2181 Jan 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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I assume you mean the ice dam*s* that broke and produced the scablands in the western US. These were very recent events, happening at the end of the last ice age with repeated dam breakages between about 20,000 and 12,000 years ago.
Errr....or those ones!

You...you be quiet!

grrrrr!

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#2182 Jan 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Although, the Black Sea flood was even more dramatic than the Glacier Lake floods.
Honto da yo! I was like fishing that day - Geeses H Crest! You can't believe how rough that was.

Never go back to the Black Sea they told me...I should have listened.
KJV

United States

#2183 Jan 11, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>There was a massive flood in America many millions of years ago. That one isn't recorded in human history though.

It happened when an enormous ice damn burst and glacial floodwaters destroyed everything in their path, even carving the foothills as they are today. No one denies the floods we observe through evidence.

We deny the silly ones that your holy book borrowed from Mesopotamia, and then added some nice Jehovah twists. You silly copycats!
"No one denies the floods we observe through evidence."

You just have the dates wrong.
KJV

United States

#2184 Jan 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>I just want to point out that this is a *local* flood, although a very large one. It is NOT evidence of a *global* flood. In fact, it may well be where the Noah legend got started, but it doesn't support the idea that the *whole world* was flooded.
Yes I know he is looking for the ark under the assumption that it was a local flood.

Why would you need an ark for a local flood? 2+2=3?

It don't add up. Sorry the flood must have been as the Bible stated it.
Along with the lifting of the lands and the dropping of the ocean floors.

Dinosaurs grave yards are as expected in the collection of dead animals it the eddies and whirlpool.
KJV

United States

#2185 Jan 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Although, the Black Sea flood was even more dramatic than the Glacier Lake floods.
Not really, they both and others around the world all happened at the same time.

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#2186 Jan 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Not really, they both and others around the world all happened at the same time.
Not even close.

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#2187 Jan 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Yes I know he is looking for the ark under the assumption that it was a local flood.
Why would you need an ark for a local flood? 2+2=3?
It don't add up. Sorry the flood must have been as the Bible stated it.
Along with the lifting of the lands and the dropping of the ocean floors.
Dinosaurs grave yards are as expected in the collection of dead animals it the eddies and whirlpool.
Well, the flood they are talking about for the Black Sea was very large: the Black Sea is a pretty good sized body of water. let's face it. The original boat (if there was one) was probably closer to the story that appears in the epic of Gilgamesh: small and just enough for a few people and animals to survive. The elaboration into an ark and ALL animals was probably a later things.

As for the dinosaur grave yards: eddies and whirls produce effects in the soil that would be recorded. And are not. Theory falsified.
KJV

United States

#2189 Jan 11, 2013
Part 2

Cascade Mountains
Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington), Yakima (Washington), Warm Springs (Oregon), Joshua (southern Oregon), Smith River (northern California coast), Wintu (north central California), Maidu (central California), Northern Miwok (central California), Tuleyome Miwok (near Clear Lake, California), Olamentko Miwok (Bodega Bay, California) Ohlone (San Francisco to Monterey, California)
Kato (Mendocino County, California)
Shasta (northern California interior), Pomo (north central California), Salinan (California), Yuma (western Arizona, southern California), Havasupai (lower Colorado River)
Ashochimi (California)
Yurok (north California coast), Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana), Cree (Canada), Timagami Ojibway (Canada), Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin), Ottawa, Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border), Cheyenne (Minnesota), Yellowstone, Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence), Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada), Algonquin (upper Ottowa River), Lenape (Delaware)(Delaware to New York)
Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee)
Mandan (North Dakota), Lakota
Choctaw (Mississippi), Natchez (Lower Mississippi)
Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana)
Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas), Pawnee (Nebraska)
Navajo (Four Corners area), Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico)
Sia (northeast Arizona)
Acagchemem (near San Juan Capistrano, California), Luiseño (Southern California), Pima (southwest Arizona), Papago (Arizona), Hopi (northeast Arizona), Zuni (New Mexico)
Central America
Tarascan (northern Michoacan, Mexico), Michoacan (Mexico)
Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico), Tarahumara (Northern Mexico), Huichol (western Mexico), Cora (east of the Huichols), Tepecano (southeast of the Huichols), Tepehua (eastern Mexico), Toltec (Mexico), Nahua (central Mexico), Tlaxcalan (central Mexico)
Tlapanec (south central Mexico), Mixtec (northern Oaxaca, Mexico), Zapotec (Oaxaca, southern Mexico), Trique (Oaxaca, southern Mexico)
Totonac (eastern Mexico)
Chol (southern Mexico), Tzeltal (Chiapas, southern Mexico), Quiché(Guatemala), Maya (southern Mexico and Guatemala)
Popoluca (Veracruz, Mexico)
Nicaragua, Panama
Carib (Antilles)
South America
Acawai (Orinoco), Arekuna (Guyana), Makiritare (Venezuela), Macusi (British Guyana)
Muysca (Colombia), Yaruro (southern Venezuela)
Yanomamö(southern Venezuela)
Tamanaque (Orinoco), Arawak (Guyana), Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (Purus R., Brazil), Ipurina (Upper Amazon)
Jivaro (eastern Ecuador), Shuar (Andes)
Murato (eastern Ecuador)
Cañari (Quito, Ecuador)
Guanca and Chiquito (Peru)
Ancasmarca (near Cuzco, Peru), Canelos Quechua, Quechua, Inca (Peru), Colla (high Andes)
Chiriguano (southeast Bolivia)
Chorote (Eastern Paraguay)
Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region), Eastern Brazil (Cape Frio region), Caraya (Araguaia River, central Brazil), Coroado (south Brazil)
Araucania (coastal Chile)
Toba (northern Argentina)
Selk'nam (southern tip of Argentina)
Yamana (Tierra del Fuego)
References
Europe
Greek:
Zeus sent a flood to destroy the men of the Bronze Age. Prometheus advised his son Deucalion to build a chest. All other men perished except for a few who escaped to high mountains. The mountains in Thessaly were parted, and all the world beyond the Isthmus and Peloponnese was overwhelmed. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha (daughter of Epimetheus and Pandora), after floating in the chest for nine days and nights, landed on Parnassus. When the rains ceased, he sacrificed to Zeus, the God of Escape. At the bidding of Zeus, he threw stones over his head; they became men, and the stones which Pyrrha threw became women. That is why people are called laoi, from laas, "a stone." [Apollodorus, 1.7.2]

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.h...
KJV

United States

#2190 Jan 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Not even close.
ERRORS ARE FEARED IN CARBON DATING

By MALCOLM W. BROWNE
Published: May 31, 1990

Since 1947, scientists have reckoned the ages of many old objects by measuring the amounts of radioactive carbon they contain. New research shows, however, that some estimates based on carbon may have erred by thousands of years.
It is too soon to know whether the discovery will seriously upset the estimated dates of events like the arrival of human beings in the Western Hemisphere, scientists said. But it is already clear that the carbon method of dating will have to be recalibrated and corrected in some cases.
Scientists at the Lamont-Doherty Geological Laboratory of Columbia University at Palisades, N.Y., reported today in the British journal Nature that some estimates of age based on carbon analyses were wrong by as much as 3,500 years. They arrived at this conclusion by comparing age estimates obtained using two different methods - analysis of radioactive carbon in a sample and determination of the ratio of uranium to thorium in the sample. In some cases, the latter ratio appears to be a much more accurate gauge of age than the customary method of carbon dating, the scientists said.

In principle, any material of plant or animal origin, including textiles, wood, bones and leather, can be dated by its content of carbon 14, a radioactive form of carbon in the environment that is incorporated by all living things. Because it is radioactive, carbon 14 steadily decays into other substances. But when a plant or animal dies, it can no longer accumulate fresh carbon 14, and the supply in the organism at the time of death is gradually depleted.
Since the rate of depletion has been accurately determined (half of any given amount of carbon 14 decays in 5,730 years), scientists can calculate the time elapsed since something died from its residual carbon 14.

Dating Subject to Error
But scientists have long recognized that carbon dating is subject to error because of a variety of factors, including contamination by outside sources of carbon. Therefore they have sought ways to calibrate and correct the carbon dating method. The best gauge they have found is dendrochronology: the measurement of age by tree rings.
Accurate tree ring records of age are available for a period extending 9,000 years into the past. But the tree ring record goes no further, so scientists have sought other indicators of age against which carbon dates can be compared. One such indicator is the uranium-thorium dating method used by the Lamont-Doherty group.

Uranium 234, a radioactive element present in the environment, slowly decays to form thorium 230. Using a mass spectrometer, an instrument that accelerates streams of atoms and uses magnets to sort them out according to mass and electric charge, the group has learned to measure the ratio of uranium to thorium very precisely.

The Lamont-Doherty scientists conducted their analyses on samples of coral drilled from a reef off the island of Barbados. The samples represented animals that lived at various times during the last 30,000 years.

Uranium-Thorium Dating
Dr. Alan Zindler, a professor of geology at Columbia University who is a member of the Lamont-Doherty research group, said age estimates using the carbon dating and uranium-thorium dating differed only slightly for the period from 9,000 years ago to the present.''But at earlier times, the carbon dates were substantially younger than the dates we estimated by uranium-thorium analysis,'' he said.''The largest deviation, 3,500 years, was obtained for samples that are about 20,000 years old.''
One reason the group believes the uranium-thorium estimates to be more accurate than carbon dating is that they produce better matches between known changes in the Earth's orbit and changes in global glaciation.

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