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#1 Oct 20, 2012
"The evidence for the flood is so overwhelming that I can’t possibly scratch the surface in this study. Instead of going through a long explanation of the flood, I am going to address 5 commonly asked skeptical questions and then conclude with what we observe scientifically and follow up with a possible scenario. We can never go back and see what actually happened, we can only piece together bits of this puzzle and conclude what we believe is the most plausible explanation. Both the biblical account and the evolutionary account take faith to believe. My hope is that when you look at the obvious evidence, you will conclude that it takes more faith to hold on to skeptical beliefs than it does to believe the Bible. With this in mind, let’s look at 5 common flood questions."

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Fogelsville, PA

#2 Oct 20, 2012


That has to be one of the most pathetic, illogical, uneducated, unscientific, jokes I have ever seen. A seventh grader could take that apart and not break a sweat!!!

Are you really stupid enough to believe that crap?!?!?!?!

You were homeschooled weren't you?

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#3 Oct 20, 2012
"Everest didn't exist before the flood. its just crumpled up land from the crashings etc of the land masses during the biblical flood. So as they rose they brought up what had been thrown on them . All this while under water. so the great water pressure or the water prssure on sediment didn't allow the clams too open as usual upon death. Thy were entombed before opening and this entombing was the origin of their instant fossilization.
so they not opening is a clue that such a great number could only of been instantly covered and killed under sediment or water pressure.
A fair point based on observations of nature."

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#4 Oct 21, 2012
KJV wrote:
"Everest didn't exist before the flood. its just crumpled up land from the crashings etc of the land masses during the biblical flood. So as they rose they brought up what had been thrown on them . All this while under water. so the great water pressure or the water prssure on sediment didn't allow the clams too open as usual upon death. Thy were entombed before opening and this entombing was the origin of their instant fossilization.
so they not opening is a clue that such a great number could only of been instantly covered and killed under sediment or water pressure.
A fair point based on observations of nature."
.... and great civilizations with fully documented histories, show no flood. Nor does the geographical data, no world wide flood. Those bible fishermen stretched every story.

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#5 Oct 21, 2012
An opinion piece from a fundamentalist Christian blog is proof of Noah's flood?


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#6 Oct 21, 2012
KJV wrote:
"Everest didn't exist before the flood. its just crumpled up land from the crashings etc of the land masses during the biblical flood. So as they rose they brought up what had been thrown on them . All this while under water. so the great water pressure or the water prssure on sediment didn't allow the clams too open as usual upon death. Thy were entombed before opening and this entombing was the origin of their instant fossilization.
so they not opening is a clue that such a great number could only of been instantly covered and killed under sediment or water pressure.
A fair point based on observations of nature."
Is it any wounder we just laugh at you?

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Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#7 Oct 21, 2012
The serpent was right wrote:
You were homeschooled weren't you?
You give him too much credit.

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#8 Oct 21, 2012

"Noah's Flood?
We can thus imagine how the Flood would deposit the Coconino Sandstone (and its equivalents), which covers an area of 200,000 square miles (518,000 square kilometres) averages 315 feet (96 metres) thick, and contains a volume of sand conservatively estimated at 10,000 cubic miles (41,700 cubic kilometres). But where could such an enormous quantity of sand come from? Cross beds within the Coconino dip consistently toward the south, indicating that the sand came from the north. However, along its northern occurrence, the Coconino rests directly on the Hermit Formation, which consists of siltstone and shale and so would not have been an ample source of sand of the type now found in the Coconino Sandstone. Consequently, this enormous volume of sand would have to have been transported a considerable distance, perhaps at least 200 or 300 miles (320 or 480 kilometres). At the current velocities envisaged sand could be transported that distance in a matter of a few days!
Thus the evidence within the Coconino Sandstone does not support the evolutionary geologists interpretation of slow and gradual deposition of sand in a desert environment with dunes being climbed by wandering four-footed vertebrates. On the contrary, a careful examination of the evidence, backed up by experiments and observations of processes operating today indicates catastrophic deposition of the sand by deep fast-moving water in a matter of days, totally consistent with conditions envisaged during the Flood."

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#9 Oct 21, 2012

"A "Whale" of a Fossil:
Or should we say "a fossil of a whale? It's true, but what is most interesting about it is how it was buried. In 1976, workers from the Dicalite division of Grefco inc. found the remains of a baleen whale entombed vertically in a diatomaceous earth quarry.

"They've found fossils there before; in fact the machinery operators have learned a good deal about them and carefully annotate any they find with the name of the collector, the date, and the exact place found. Each discovery is turned over to Lawrence G. Barnes at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County. The Whale, however, is one of the largest fossils ever collected anywhere...(It) is standing on end.. and is being exposed gradually as the diatomite is mined. Only the head and a small part of the body are visible as yet.
"The modern baleen whale is 80 to 90 feet long and has a head of similar size, indicating that the fossil may be close to 80 feet long. 46,47

More Fossil Whales:

"In bogs covering glacial deposits in Michigan, skeletons of two whales were discovered ... How did they come to Michigan in the post-glacial epoch? Glaciers do not carry whales, and the ice sheet would not have brought them to the middle of a continent... Was there a sea in Michigan after the glacial epoch, only a few thousand years ago?" 48
"Bones of Whale have been found 440 feet above sea level, north of Lake Ontario; a skeleton of another whale was discovered in Vermont, more than 500 feet above sea level; and still another in the Montreal-Quebec area, about 600 feet above sea level..." 48

Marine Fossils In The Mountains:
In Mountains all over the world one can find sea shells and other marine fossils. These include the Sierras, the Swiss Alps, the Himalayas and many more. 49,50,51,52,53 For more on this subject see the following video 54 by Dr. Walter Brown."

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#10 Oct 21, 2012

"For example, regarding turbidites and the impact they are having on modern Geology, Kurt Howard, 41 said the following in his paper on this topic:

My physical geology professor said, "Regarding uniformitarianism, you can take it with a grain of salt." After reviewing geology texts on the subject of turbidites, I am following the courageous professor's advice. To paraphrase his words, I am taking uniformitarianism with a grain of sand, for the philosophy of uniformitarianism states that sedimentary layers form over many millions of years, while ... recent research has shown that turbidites form within a few hours.{1} Emphasis Added

In 1972 Burgert identified several lower basal Tapeats units as turbidites in Grand Canyon's Cheops Bay. Dr. Ariel Roth a geologist at Loma Linda University's Geoscience Institute, suggested that 30% of all sedimentary rocks in Grand Canyon are turbidites. Some geologists suggest that 50% of the world's sedimentary rocks might be turbidites. Emphasis Added

Modern geologists discarded the terms flysch sediments and geosyncline because rapidly formed megathick flysch is incompatible with uniformitarianism and long ages. However, in the last few years, the number of geologists abandoning the classical uniformitarian discipline and adopting the new catastrophism is almost a shock to ... creationists. Geologists are finally beginning to grudgingly agree with ... creationists about the nature of the stratigraphic record, which is a record of major catastrophic events and not the slow year-by-year buildup suggested by uniformitarianism. Flysch deposits might be the sedimentary results of a global flood. The idea of geosynclines is unpopular because most geologists believe in plate tectonics. Emphasis Added"

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#11 Oct 21, 2012

""In the rock on the summit of Mont de Sautenay -- a flat-topped hill near Chalonsur-Saone between Dijon and Lyons -- there is a fissure filled with animal bones.'Why should so many wolves, bears, horses, and oxen have ascended a hill isolated on all sides?' asked Albert Gaudry, professor at the Jardin des Plantes. According to him, the bones in this cleft are mostly broken and splintered into innumerable... fragments and are 'evidently not those of animals devoured by beasts of prey; nor have they been broken by man. Nevertheless, the remains of wolf were ... abundant, together with those of cave lion, bear, rhinoceros, horse, ox, and deer... Prestwich thought that the animal bones... were found in common heaps because,'...[they] had fled [there] to escape the rising waters.'" 55,56"

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#12 Oct 21, 2012
This is just precious!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!

Keep it up we all need a good laugh!

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#13 Oct 21, 2012


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Sea originating fossils have been found at high altitudes of every continent.

The oldest known living trees, Bristlecone Pines in California, are about 5000 years old. This would coincide with the recovery of the earth after the flood.

The Origin of Civilization appeared near the resting place of the Ark at about the same time that the flood occurred.

Geologist classify rock formations by the type of rock they contain. A layer of the same type of rock is called a stratum. Many scientist believe that certain types of stratum originated in certain time periods such as the Eocene, Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous periods of time. There are many places on the earth where the order of these strata in reversed. Examples of this are the Matterhorn and Mythen peaks in the Alps. The order of the strata has been completely reversed in respect to the earth around it. Though many explanations have been offered for this phenomenon, the catastrophic effects of a flood as described in the Bible is still the best explanation.

Sedimentary deposits cover large parts of the earth. These are the type of deposits that result from movement of water.

An analysis of 30,000 radiocarbon dating results published in the "Radiocarbon" journal shows an unmistakable spike in the

death of living things about 5,000 years ago.

Fossils of once living organisms have been found in places not suitable for their habitat:

In Lincoln County, Wyoming fossils have been found of an alligator, deep sea bass, sunfish, crustaceans, and palm leaves. Obviously these would not grow well in Wyoming's climate. It also suggest that at one time Wyoming was covered water. The fossils of the life found in this vicinity are very well preserved indicating a fast burial and preservation.

The Florissant, Colorado fossil beds contain fossilized insects that are preserved remarkably well. In addition, the remains of giant sequoia trees have been found here. The sequoia trees and many of the types of insects do not exist in this region today.

(1)Volcanic rocks are found interbedded with sedimentary rocks of all supposed geologic ages. This correlates with the Biblical implication that the "fountains of the great deep" poured out their contents throughout the flood (Genesis 8:2).

(4)Radiometric dating performed on volcanic rocks from the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1986 indicated that the rocks were between .34 million years to 2.8 million years old. This suggests that the radiometric dating methods to determine the earth are at the best inaccurate.

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#14 Oct 21, 2012

"The shape of the continents hints that they may have been connected at one time. The fossil records of mountain ranges seem to indicate that the mountains were created by the collision of two continents. It is also noted that earthquakes are caused by movement of continents along fault lines. This supports the theory of plate tectonics. A catastrophe such as a the Biblical flood would create enough force to rearrange continents. In fact a flood of these proportions easily becomes a "best fit" for the geological data that exist today.

Although scientific evidence does exist to support many aspects of the Bible, conclusive evidence may never exist to prove or disprove these events. There are so many variables and aspects of science it is easy to interpret the data in a manner pleasing to your desire. I'm sure that Noah had no way to prove his belief in God's word to him (only his family believed him). But he found enough faith to work for 100 years to build a boat that people said he could not use. Scientific discussions may provide a spark of faith to believe the Bible. But, in reality, the choice of what to believe is based on faith. Some people have faith in science or mankind. Others put their faith in God.

(1) Whitcomb, John, "The Genesis Flood: The Biblical record and its scientific implications. ", 1961

(2) Browning, Jason, "Noah's Ark a Feasibility study", 1997

(3) Whitelaw, 1970, or the updated paper "The biblical record of Creation, Flood and history in light of 30,000 radiocarbon dates", Proceedings, 15th Anniversary Convention of Bible Science Association, pp. 197-202, 1979

(4) Austin, Steven A. "Excess Argon within Mineral Concentrates from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mount St. Helens Volcano", Institute for Creation Research

Evidence for the Biblical account of the flood"

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#15 Oct 21, 2012
"Bell Found in Coal

In 1944, as a ten year old boy, Newton Anderson dropped a lump of coal and broke it in half in his basement and found that it contained this bell inside. The bituminous coal that was mined near his house in Upshur County West Virginia is supposed to be about 300 million years old! What is a brass bell with an iron clapper doing in coal ascribed to the Carboniferous Period? According to Norm Sharbaugh’s book Ammunition (which includes several “coal anecdotes”) the bell is an antediluvian artifact (made before the Genesis Flood). The Institute for Creation Research had the bell submitted to the lab at the University of Oklahoma. There a nuclear activation analysis revealed that the bell contains an unusual mix of metals, different from any known modern alloy production (including copper, zinc, tin, arsenic, iodine, and selenium)."

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#16 Oct 21, 2012

When the atmospheric pressure is added, twice what it is today, it solves several other problems. Dinosaurs have been used by evolutionist to illustrate brute distant evolving life forms. Paleontologists were very hesitant to admit that the dinosaurs they had excavated had very small rib cages indicating small lungs.72 How is it that a creature twenty feet tall and forty feet long, supposedly a carnivore, could get enough oxygen to breath in our atmosphere today? The academic community of evolutionists finally said that they had solved the problem. They found air bubbles trapped in amber in the cretaceous layering. Evolutionists teach that the earth was only 60% of its present size and expanded to a hundred percent of its present size.156/289 They also teach that during the Jurassic, just before the Cretaceous period, that the earth was only 60% of its present diameter. However, what they have not calculated is that if you maintain the same mass and shrink the volume, you invoke the universal law of gravitation. This means that Sizemasoraus, a Jurassic dinosaur, who weighed almost 200,000 lbs, stood seventy feet tall with a 120 foot length from head to the end of his tail, if living on a 60% diameter earth would weigh over half a million pounds. That is absolutely scientifically impossible.

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#17 Oct 21, 2012

"There are world wide legends of men having lived in paradise in the past.165 Hesied, around the eight century B.C., stated that, "The Cronos people lived like gods, carefree in their hearts, shielded from pain and misery. Helpless old age did not exist. There limbs did not sag with lack of vigor. A sleep like death subdued them. And every good thing was theirs. the Barley giving earth asked for no toil to bring forth a rich and plentiful harvest." Man was suited for that environment according to these legends. It has been found by anthropologists, sociologists and historians that legends have a basis in fact.

The Sumerans have a paradise myth. Ancient Egypt has a paradise myth about a time when all people’s bellies were full and there was no sin on earth and no crocodile seized prey, the serpent did not bite and everyone enjoyed blissful recreation together.

In China the great Taoist teacher Kwan See stated in the forth century B.C., "The birds and the beasts in the past multiplied to flocks and herds. The grass and trees grew luxuriant and long. The birds and beast might be led about without feeling the constraint. There was perfect virtue." There is indication in all of the basic civilizations that in a time in the past beyond the records of man there was a blissful creation.

Mosquitos in the pre-flood environment did not byte for blood. It is the female mosquito that bytes and she bytes out of nutritional and oxygen need just before she lays her eggs. In the pre-flood environment with double the atmosphere and 10 to 15% more oxygen she would have all the oxygen and nutrients she needed."

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Fogelsville, PA

#18 Oct 21, 2012
Hey KJV, how about you provide a link to a source that makes these idiotic claims, and hat has been submitted for peer review?

I won't hold my breath waiting. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

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#19 Oct 21, 2012
I thank the Universe for the magic scroll wheel on my mouse - best way to get through tedious cut and paste spam!

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#20 Oct 21, 2012
Problems with a Global Flood

How could these have appeared in the midst of a catastrophic flood?

How does a global flood explain angular unconformities?

How were mountains and valleys formed?

When did granite batholiths form?

How can a single flood be responsible for such extensively detailed layering?

How do you explain the formation of varves?

How could a flood deposit layered fossil forests?

Where did all the heat go?

How were limestone deposits formed?

How could a flood have deposited chalk?

How could the Flood deposit layers of solid salt?

How were sedimentary deposits recrystallized and plastically deformed in the short time since the Flood?

How were hematite layers laid down?

How do you explain fossil mineralization?

How does a flood explain the accuracy of "coral clocks"?

Where were all the fossilized animals when they were alive?

Where did all the organic material in the fossil record come from?

How do you explain the relative commonness of aquatic fossils?

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