The seven countries that allow execution for atheism

Dec 11, 2012 | Posted by: NightSerf | Full story: www.washingtonpost.com

The annual “freedom of thought” report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union, an advocacy umbrella group that represents and seeks to protect non-religious people, details laws and practices around the world that punish or restrict atheism. The group presented the report to the United Nations today.

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Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Mauritania, and the Maldives.

Anyone besides me think that the other nations should embargo these seven until their laws change?

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Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Mauritania, and the Maldives.
Anyone besides me think that the other nations should embargo these seven until their laws change?
An issue that comes to mind is women’s rights. Some of these countries treat dogs better than they do women. Since half of the world population is female I think women’s rights is a much more dire issue. Changing the culture in these countries is not going to be done easily.

Another more pressing issue is the rights of children. The right for them to be feed and educated. One can be an atheist in the countries that you listed. They just have to keep their mouth shut and live in the closet sort of speak.

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An issue that comes to mind is women’s rights. Some of these countries treat dogs better than they do women. Since half of the world population is female I think women’s rights is a much more dire issue. Changing the culture in these countries is not going to be done easily.
Another more pressing issue is the rights of children. The right for them to be feed and educated. One can be an atheist in the countries that you listed. They just have to keep their mouth shut and live in the closet sort of speak.
Neither issue has to ignored in favor of the other. Human rights abuse is always complicated, always involves many types of victims. Attempts to simplify it by reducing it to a single issue does a disservice to the issue as a whole. Attempts to exclude atheists from human rights considerations promotes the idea that atheists are less than human, less deserving of basic rights, even to life itself.

Every human is potentially subject to persecution somewhere on earth, and we must stand as one against all of it. To minimize the rights of any group just because you disagree with them makes you part of the problem. Is that really what you want?

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Neither issue has to ignored in favor of the other. Human rights abuse is always complicated, always involves many types of victims. Attempts to simplify it by reducing it to a single issue does a disservice to the issue as a whole. Attempts to exclude atheists from human rights considerations promotes the idea that atheists are less than human, less deserving of basic rights, even to life itself.
Every human is potentially subject to persecution somewhere on earth, and we must stand as one against all of it. To minimize the rights of any group just because you disagree with them makes you part of the problem. Is that really what you want?
I agree totally with your comment. I would suggest anyone wanting to try and make a difference should write to the US State department and the President. If enough people voice their concerns then our Government can make choices that will encourage these countries to honor human rights all across the board.
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Better frack on with shale gas, because there's no way Saudi and Iran are going to be ignored while we need their oil.

I hear Jaguar Landrover are looking to set up in Saudi.
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Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Mauritania, and the Maldives.
Anyone besides me think that the other nations should embargo these seven until their laws change?
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For all the faults those nations have they have got something right.
Atheists should be shot for the common criminals that they are and their graves used as public urinals.
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Stealing someone's identity, as you have, is a sure sign of a hopeless basket case.

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For all the faults those nations have they have got something right.
Atheists should be shot for the common criminals that they are and their graves used as public urinals.

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There are Christians in USA who wants to make USA number eight on that list.

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Better frack on with shale gas, because there's no way Saudi and Iran are going to be ignored while we need their oil.
I hear Jaguar Landrover are looking to set up in Saudi.
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There are Christians in USA who wants to make USA number eight on that list.
The USA is a free country and Atheist have done quite well here.

No one has flattened Bill Maher nose and he is enjoying prosperity.

Atheist enjoy freedom in this country as do all Americans.

If one doesn’t have a choice then they are not free. As an American I want all my fellow Americans to have that freedom of choice regardless if they are Atheist or a believer of faith.

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The USA is a free country and Atheist have done quite well here.
No one has flattened Bill Maher nose and he is enjoying prosperity.
Atheist enjoy freedom in this country as do all Americans.
If one doesn’t have a choice then they are not free. As an American I want all my fellow Americans to have that freedom of choice regardless if they are Atheist or a believer of faith.
You really think there is choice in the US?

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religion is organised paedophilia and terrorism
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For all the faults those nations have they have got something right.
Atheists should be shot for the common criminals that they are and their graves used as public urinals.
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Don't forget extortion.
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Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Mauritania, and the Maldives.
Anyone besides me think that the other nations should embargo these seven until their laws change?
Did you notice none of those are predominantly christian countries?

All of them are muslim.

Gives the lie to the atheist claims of persecution in America by people like IANS. The most hospitable nation to atheism is the most religious and christian nation - USA.
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Fundamentalist christians opposed the emancipation of slaves, women, gays, and often still do. Now islam needs to be treated with equal disdain.
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Did you notice none of those are predominantly christian countries?
All of them are muslim.
Gives the lie to the atheist claims of persecution in America by people like IANS. The most hospitable nation to atheism is the most religious and christian nation - USA.

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Fundamentalist christians opposed the emancipation of slaves, women, gays, and often still do. Now islam needs to be treated with equal disdain.
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It’s true that “some” Christians prior to the civil war opposed the emancipation of slaves, rights of women. It wasn’t until recently that the gay issue has come to light.

What you fail to point out there were also Christians that opposed slavery. So many in fact the nation became divided and a civil war erupted.

Today, some radical groups that claim to be Christian oppose civil rights. Compared to the national population this is a very small minority. The vast majority of Christians 99.98% support civil rights.

On gay rights, which is a separate issue. I believe most Christians believe gays should be allowed to work, live, purchase, vote, be educated. But when it comes to gay marriage many Christians are opposed to this controversial issue because it is unnatural and is against Christians values.

As you may heard our Supreme Court has taken up this issue and a ruling will come forth. Gay marriage may or may not become law of the land. The Court operates outside of public opinion and it’s opinion is based on our Constitution.
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Oh come on now, you had racial segregation enforced by law until the sixties. I'm not impressed.
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It’s true that “some” Christians prior to the civil war opposed the emancipation of slaves, rights of women. It wasn’t until recently that the gay issue has come to light.
What you fail to point out there were also Christians that opposed slavery. So many in fact the nation became divided and a civil war erupted.
Today, some radical groups that claim to be Christian oppose civil rights. Compared to the national population this is a very small minority. The vast majority of Christians 99.98% support civil rights.
On gay rights, which is a separate issue. I believe most Christians believe gays should be allowed to work, live, purchase, vote, be educated. But when it comes to gay marriage many Christians are opposed to this controversial issue because it is unnatural and is against Christians values.
As you may heard our Supreme Court has taken up this issue and a ruling will come forth. Gay marriage may or may not become law of the land. The Court operates outside of public opinion and it’s opinion is based on our Constitution.

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Did you notice none of those are predominantly christian countries?
All of them are muslim.
Gives the lie to the atheist claims of persecution in America by people like IANS. The most hospitable nation to atheism is the most religious and christian nation - USA.
Islam is definitely less tolerant of heresy in general and atheism in particular than Christian nations are--not too much different that Christian nations were a few hundred years ago. But the U.S. is hardly more hospitable to the nonreligious than are Denmark, Sweden, France, and the UK, where atheism is considered to be as normal as Christianity is. Nor is the U.S a particularly religious country if a Gallup poll from 20009 is to be believed.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-...

'Are Americans among the most religious people in the world? The answer depends on which "world" you're talking about. If you're referring to the entire planet, the answer is plainly "no." In 2006, 2007, and 2008, Gallup asked representative samples in 143 countries and territories whether religion was an important part of their daily lives. The accompanying map shows religiosity by country, ranging from the least religious to the most religious on a relative basis. Across all populations, the median proportion of residents who said religion is important in their daily lives is 82%. Americans fall well below this midpoint, at 65%.

'But before you point out the considerable effect religion has on U.S. society and politics, let's change the lens to account for a basic insight multicountry surveys offer: a population's religiosity level is strongly related to its average standard of living. Gallup's World Poll, for example, indicates that 8 of the 11 countries in which almost all residents (at least 98%) say religion is important in their daily lives are poorer nations in sub-Saharan Africa and Asia.

'On the opposite end of the spectrum, the 10 least religious countries studied include several with the world's highest living standards, including Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Hong Kong, and Japan.(Several other countries on this list are former Soviet republics, places where the state suppressed religious expression for decades.)'

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Islam is definitely less tolerant of heresy in general and atheism in particular than Christian nations are--not too much different that Christian nations were a few hundred years ago. But the U.S. is hardly more hospitable to the nonreligious than are Denmark, Sweden, France, and the UK, where atheism is considered to be as normal as Christianity is. Nor is the U.S a particularly religious country if a Gallup poll from 20009 is to be believed.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-...
'Are Americans among the most religious people in the world? The answer depends on which "world" you're talking about. If you're referring to the entire planet, the answer is plainly "no." In 2006, 2007, and 2008, Gallup asked representative samples in 143 countries and territories whether religion was an important part of their daily lives. The accompanying map shows religiosity by country, ranging from the least religious to the most religious on a relative basis. Across all populations, the median proportion of residents who said religion is important in their daily lives is 82%. Americans fall well below this midpoint, at 65%.
'But before you point out the considerable effect religion has on U.S. society and politics, let's change the lens to account for a basic insight multicountry surveys offer: a population's religiosity level is strongly related to its average standard of living. Gallup's World Poll, for example, indicates that 8 of the 11 countries in which almost all residents (at least 98%) say religion is important in their daily lives are poorer nations in sub-Saharan Africa and Asia.
'On the opposite end of the spectrum, the 10 least religious countries studied include several with the world's highest living standards, including Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Hong Kong, and Japan.(Several other countries on this list are former Soviet republics, places where the state suppressed religious expression for decades.)'
I like this article so much that I'm going to post it in the News section.
Your cited poll is inadequate for drawing the conclusions it claims. Accomadation of diverse religious views is encoded in our law.

Responses to a question such as how important the role of religion is in each citizen's life is not a true indication of the role of religion. America is a nation that was founded on a deeply religious concept - that being humans have a natural, God-endowed right to not be ruled by other humans without their consent. Also, our Constitution codifies in law freedom of religion, hence the important placement of that concept among other basic human rights. Also, Americans spend millions of dollars and countless hours in the effort to expose people of other nations to religious concepts.

Poll questions don't tell the story. But they often provide great propaganda.

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