Your View: Assertions about Christians are false

Aug 14, 2012 Full story: Alabama Live 15

In a recent letter , the writer, well-known to your readers as a devout atheist, uses the Chick-fil-A situation to treat us once again to his paranoia about Christianity and religion.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 Aug 14, 2012
Here's a clue, prove us wrong and counter the negative with more actual positive, stop using bigoted slogans and justifications for mistreatment of other humans, and stop trying to hold back science from making our lives better.

When the majority christians do these things, and giving tithing does not even come close to helping out other humans, then we'll drop the stereotype. However as a defense mechanism we must continue to hold this stereotype.

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#2 Aug 14, 2012
Christians are the ones who have stood in the way of civil rights for anyone who is different or not of their religious cult. With each civil rights violation perpetuated by christians; it always came under the lie that "if we give "those people" rights, it'll bring the wrath of god upon us." People do feel the wrath, but it's not coming from god, it comes from intolerant christians.

"in order for men to do great evil, they must first
believe they are doing good." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Why do you christians become such cry-babies when people fight back against your bigotry? Stop using your god as a proxy bigot! Your bible was right about one thing. The way you judge others is the way you'll be judged.
If you don't like being judged, stop acting like a crowd of witch hunters with torches and pitchforks chasing people who are different, all the while calling them demonic and satanic and trying to convince everyone that these are the last days of judgement and "those people" are going to be responsible for it. Your religion is filth.

If your god is the ultimate decider of your fate after you die, why would he bother to intervene in this realm? He's going to get you in the end anyway. Your fairy tale makes no sense.

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#3 Aug 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Here's a clue, prove us wrong and counter the negative with more actual positive, stop using bigoted slogans and justifications for mistreatment of other humans, and stop trying to hold back science from making our lives better.
When the majority christians do these things, and giving tithing does not even come close to helping out other humans, then we'll drop the stereotype. However as a defense mechanism we must continue to hold this stereotype.
Hey Kitten. Haven't seen you in a while.

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#4 Aug 14, 2012
The word "assertion" in the title of the thread should be "observation".

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 Aug 14, 2012
Religionthebiglie wrote:
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Hey Kitten. Haven't seen you in a while.
Yep, taking care of real life issues and such took a bit of my time.

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#6 Aug 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yep, taking care of real life issues and such took a bit of my time.
I hope all is going well. I've missed your input on some of the threads. I miss Hidingfromyou and her brilliant insights also.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 Aug 14, 2012
Religionthebiglie wrote:
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I hope all is going well. I've missed your input on some of the threads. I miss Hidingfromyou and her brilliant insights also.
Thank you. I will try to be active more consistently on here.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#8 Aug 14, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Here's a clue, prove us wrong and counter the negative with more actual positive, stop using bigoted slogans and justifications for mistreatment of other humans, and stop trying to hold back science from making our lives better.
When the majority christians do these things, and giving tithing does not even come close to helping out other humans, then we'll drop the stereotype. However as a defense mechanism we must continue to hold this stereotype.
I see no reason to be stubborn and hold on to such a stereotype. It undermines all the legitimate criticisms of many Christians, and of the essential doctrines of christianity. By attacking all Christians, one is not discriminating carefully among different degrees of superstition, let alone failing to discriminate carefully among different types of ethics. I disagree strongly with such overgeneralizations.

There is an evil form of Christianity, and evil type persons who advocate it. We need to identify it. We need to enumerate its precepts. we need to list its most prominent advocates.

There are some few who are trying to bring a decent ethic into Christianity, and to downplay the stupidest and most harmful of the superstitions. They may be potential allies in all sorts of good causes. I will not be hostile to them. I have personal friends in this category. I do not find many of them on topix, however.

In between there is a spectrum. Each step along the way to a more civilized view of religion, should be applauded and encouraged.
And somewhere a line should be drawn - against the enemy - and it should be drawn on two grounds:
the ethics that flow from it, as practiced by the believer in it
the degree of wickedness of the God that is defended by the believer.

Even if you draw the line where most Christians fall into the bad guys category, please do not include all persons who self-identify as Christians in the bad guys category.

Do you consider all atheists to be good guys, simply because they are atheists? or do you apply standards of behavior and intellectual integrity to atheists with a single standard, equal to the standard you use for Christians? do you apologize for atheists who are ethically evil, just because they are atheists? i don't. I just drew a line there very openly, in attacking Skeptic, and no other atheist on topix.

I think Christians who are good persons should be encouraged to repudiate the horrible persons who claim to be Christians. Even if the Bible gives more fodder and support for the bad persons, or maybe because I think it does, the people who try to be good and kind and call themselves Christian should be treated as potential friends, if not real friends already. What good causes might fail if we fail to build a coalition between well intentioned people with different views? Do you want to take that risk, for sake of an ideological division? It seems to me that you could be defending a horrid person, rather than a good person, if you used that single standard of ideology - belief in a God or not.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#9 Aug 15, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> I see no reason to be stubborn and hold on to such a stereotype. It undermines all the legitimate criticisms of many Christians, and of the essential doctrines of christianity. By attacking all Christians, one is not discriminating carefully among different degrees of superstition, let alone failing to discriminate carefully among different types of ethics. I disagree strongly with such overgeneralizations.
There is an evil form of Christianity, and evil type persons who advocate it. We need to identify it. We need to enumerate its precepts. we need to list its most prominent advocates.
There are some few who are trying to bring a decent ethic into Christianity, and to downplay the stupidest and most harmful of the superstitions. They may be potential allies in all sorts of good causes. I will not be hostile to them. I have personal friends in this category. I do not find many of them on topix, however.
In between there is a spectrum. Each step along the way to a more civilized view of religion, should be applauded and encouraged.
And somewhere a line should be drawn - against the enemy - and it should be drawn on two grounds:
the ethics that flow from it, as practiced by the believer in it
the degree of wickedness of the God that is defended by the believer.
Even if you draw the line where most Christians fall into the bad guys category, please do not include all persons who self-identify as Christians in the bad guys category.
Do you consider all atheists to be good guys, simply because they are atheists? or do you apply standards of behavior and intellectual integrity to atheists with a single standard, equal to the standard you use for Christians? do you apologize for atheists who are ethically evil, just because they are atheists? i don't. I just drew a line there very openly, in attacking Skeptic, and no other atheist on topix.
I think Christians who are good persons should be encouraged to repudiate the horrible persons who claim to be Christians. Even if the Bible gives more fodder and support for the bad persons, or maybe because I think it does, the people who try to be good and kind and call themselves Christian should be treated as potential friends, if not real friends already. What good causes might fail if we fail to build a coalition between well intentioned people with different views? Do you want to take that risk, for sake of an ideological division? It seems to me that you could be defending a horrid person, rather than a good person, if you used that single standard of ideology - belief in a God or not.
Your arrogance knows no bounds and now you lie "I just drew a line there very openly, in attacking Skeptic, and no other atheist on topix." You have attacked myself and others.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10 Aug 16, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Your arrogance knows no bounds and now you lie "I just drew a line there very openly, in attacking Skeptic, and no other atheist on topix." You have attacked myself and others.
So the truth comes out, what a surprise..! It's quite funny watching people fail try to destroy my credibility, while waving a lunatic flag at the same time...*humble**coughs*

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#11 Aug 16, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> ...
Even if you draw the line where most Christians fall into the bad guys category, please do not include all persons who self-identify as Christians in the bad guys category.....
Why not. Every Christian serves to empower and in fact embolden the fundamentalist mindset.

High school student and atheist Jessica Ahlquist fought a legal battle to take down a prayer banner from the auditorium. Legally a no-brainer. But as a result of filing this lawsuit, she was bullied, ostracized, and threatened with violence. She was called “evil” in public by her state representative, and was targeted with multiple threats of brutal violence, rape, and death. And no, this wasn’t just from hateful strangers trolling on the Internet — it came from her own schoolmates and her own community.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#12 Aug 16, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
So the truth comes out, what a surprise..! It's quite funny watching people fail try to destroy my credibility, while waving a lunatic flag at the same time...*humble**coughs*
If you liked that one, she put this on another thread,

"Thank you for your comment. If you read my comments on the atheist forum you would know more about my views. on here, mostly I am attacking the obscene ones, of whatever faith or nonfaith. not my preference for a discussion topic!"

I would say hypocrite, but it sounds tooo nice.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#13 Aug 16, 2012
"havent forgotten" is not a bad gal, and she has a lot of worthwhile things to say. But she seems to care about no "nice" Christian ever having his or her feelings hurt, or being mischaracterized.

And she continually scolds other skeptics for using the word "Christians" instead of "the church" or "Christianity," as in "Christians are liars" rather than "Christianity promotes a culture of lying." Nobody knows why she cares about this issue so much. Almost nobody else does.

Personally, I don't care if Christians are nice.That just means that I attempt to decimate their arguments nicely, and point out that they are waving the banner of a vile and loathsome institution. Personally, I hold anybody who promotes Christianity in any way responsible for all of it except for the parts that specifically disavow, even if they are nice. Thus, if you tell anybody to become a Christian, you are standing for everything the church does because you facilitate and enable it, including homophobia, atheophobia, and antiscientism.

There are no innocent Christians here, even when well intentioned, even when "nice." There may be nice Klansmen, too. Who cares?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#14 Aug 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
"havent forgotten" is not a bad gal, and she has a lot of worthwhile things to say. But she seems to care about no "nice" Christian ever having his or her feelings hurt, or being mischaracterized.
And she continually scolds other skeptics for using the word "Christians" instead of "the church" or "Christianity," as in "Christians are liars" rather than "Christianity promotes a culture of lying." Nobody knows why she cares about this issue so much. Almost nobody else does.
Personally, I don't care if Christians are nice.That just means that I attempt to decimate their arguments nicely, and point out that they are waving the banner of a vile and loathsome institution. Personally, I hold anybody who promotes Christianity in any way responsible for all of it except for the parts that specifically disavow, even if they are nice. Thus, if you tell anybody to become a Christian, you are standing for everything the church does because you facilitate and enable it, including homophobia, atheophobia, and antiscientism.
There are no innocent Christians here, even when well intentioned, even when "nice." There may be nice Klansmen, too. Who cares?
I agree with you and I really like your posts, but HF calls people like skeptic and myself inferior shes arrogant and I have no respect for her.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#15 Aug 17, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you and I really like your posts, but HF calls people like skeptic and myself inferior shes arrogant and I have no respect for her.
Thanks. And sorry to read that.

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