Atheist group to rip Bible pages in H.B....

Sep 15, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Orange County Register

Members of a grassroots atheist group say they will tear out pages of the Bible at the Huntington Beach pier Saturday to point out what they say is immorality in the book many Christians base their faith on.

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<quoted text>You obviously have never read the bible or studied ancient Christians. Not that your ignorance surprises anyone at this point.

We don't even have historical proof ways existed.
I'm done talking to you as you are so clearly an Ahole. Feel free to come back when you are able to talk without all the misguided anger, hate, and resentment. I ain't got time for such childish nonsense. Some of us are grown.

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<quoted text>You don't get logic, do you?
You don't get manners do you?

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<quoted text>You don't get logic, do you?
Your hostility is both irrational and illogical. It represents you more than it ever will me.

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Have you studied every manuscript known to man? Have you analyzed every slide underneath a microscope? Been to the site of every archeological dig? Personally been privy to every historical event? Are you omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent? I find it funny that you accuse others of picking at certain definitions, texts, or quotes in a manipulated attempt to prove their point. Especially given the fact that you are doing it right now.
There is no reason to suppose that one must know everything, in order to know something. The ability to discern the properties of this or that makes knowing it all, unnecessary.
When a thing is presented as omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, it's attributes should match the claims. We haven't seen any of that yet

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01Justsayin wrote:
No man has the right to judge or condemn the other for their beliefs...or the lack thereof. Especially when doing so behind the guise of Christianity.
A lot of good that does us.
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But that's not what the teachings of Jesus (the Savior of the christian faith) are all about. That's religion. That's man-made.
That's the part that concerns me.
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If a tree refuses to grow, you trim the branches. You don't cut down the entire tree.
It's not a tree. It's kudzu.

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Your hostility is both irrational and illogical. It represents you more than it ever will me.
Take a look at that bible sometime. And see what it says about atheists. Now that's irrational and illogical.

What's the matter creationist? Never lost an argument before?

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I understand the hurt you must have felt at the hands of people who grossly misrepresent the teachings of the Savior they claim to serve.
I wasn't hurt.

I just want their church's influence to be limited to the lives of believers. I don't care what Jesus thinks about anything. I don't care if Jesus wants prayer in school. I don't care if Jesus opposed embryonic stem cell research. I don't care if Jesus supports or opposed reproductive freedom in women. I don't care what Jesus thinks about the theory of evolution or science in general. I don't care if Jesus approves of gays marrying.

And I don't want the people that do care making policy that limits the lives of those of us who don't care. Let the believers live their lives as they like and stay out of ours.

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01Justsayin wrote:
Lol Nah. I had to google it seeing as how druidization isn't even a real word.
I thought that coined the word, and provided you with my definition.

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01Justsayin wrote:
So much anger and hostility toward someone for simply refusing to believe as you do. Want the number of a good therapist? I know a few.
So, you want it to become personal now? OK.

Where is my anger at "someone" for not believing as I do? What I feel is contempt for your church and its unwelcome tentacles. I don't really care what you believe in private.

If you want to nail a chicken dipped in goat blood to a stick with jingly bells and shake it at the full moon to give your life meaning, moral grounding, and a framework for understanding the universe, that's fine. Just don't try to tell the rest of us how to live because the chicken doesn't approve.
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Believers cannot prove for a "fact" that God exists anymore than atheists can prove for a "fact" that he doesn't.
If "God" means Jehovah-Jesus, that god can be and has been ruled out.

But I can't prove anything to anybody that that is committed to resisting the proof. No one can convince a person of that which he has a stake in not believing. That is, no one can convince another person without their willingness to impartially evaluate an argument that is convincing to an open mind.
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So long as the beliefs of the other aren't used as a weapon against each other, I really don't see what the problem is.
Unfortunately, that is what is happening, and it is a problem. The Christian church is using doctrine as a weapon, and there is no reason to think that it will ever stop of its own accord. If we want it out of our lives, we have to get it out.

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01Justsayin wrote:
Hahahahahahahaha Do over? Nice. No. I'm not looking for a do over. I'm not even trying to make nice.
Yeah, I got that. Thanks for clearing that up. I was hopingfor something a little more amicable.
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I came in here originally out of mere curiosity. What greeted me was overly aggressive anger and judgement of everything I hold sacred and holy.
Maybe you should keep what you consider holy private.
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I'm not ever going to be okay with the misplaced anger or aggression ... Your anger and aggression towards a set of beliefs
I deny the anger accusation. One cannot be angry at an abstraction. Contempt and disgust are what I feel, and its for the actions of an institution - the Christian church.

And I am not interested in discussing my emotions with you, just ideas. So why don't we discuss issues instead of me?
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See my belief in God is not a head thing. I can't rationalize God or seek him on a purely intellectual level. It's more of a heart thing.
That's nice.

But I've already told you that I don't care about your beliefs. I care about the actions of a church that pokes its unwelcome nose into the lives of unbelievers. It will serve us both if you'll take a moment to absorb that.

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01Justsayin wrote:
In order to dispute such findings completely and entirely, one would have to have been there. Until you have read every historical manuscript known to man, you don't know everything about everything.
Straw man.

I made no claim of knowing everything about everything. I told you that the archeological evidence contradicts the biblical account in Exodus just as the cosmological, geological, and biological evidence contradicts Genesis.
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I read your article. While it disputed some of the claims, it did not dispute all.
Probably because not all claims in Exodus are false. Apparently, there was an actual Egypt, several pharaohs, and some pyramids. And there was a settlement called Jericho.
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The truth still remains that you can't factually prove your belief that God isn't real
We've already been over that. I can prove that the god of the Christian bible is mythological, but not to anybody committed to believing otherwise.
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... anymore than I can factually prove my belief that he is. All either side can do is provide evidence to support their own individual belief.
That's really not an issue for me. And not all beliefs are equally valid. Faith based beliefs are of no value to me. Evidence based beliefs are as good as the evidence.

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01Justsayin wrote:
The evidence can be analyzed. Yes. The religion itself cannot.
Your religion can be analyzed by observing its physical manifestations and applying reason.
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I didn't write the Book. I just live by it. I can't personally attest to what actually happened or when it happened or how it happened or who it happened to. All I can do is study it. Just like you and everyone else.
Not so.

I can attest that the six days of creation never happened. Nor did the Great Flood. That's enough for me. Either the book was written by the perfect god that it claims wrote it, or it is mythology composed by ancient men. All you need is one problem with the book, and you can rule out that a perfect god wrote it.

And if it wasn't written by a god, there is no more or less reason to study it than there is to study the Iliad or Odyssey.

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So much anger and hostility
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01Justsayin wrote:
I'm done talking to you as you are so clearly an Ahole.
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01Justsayin wrote:
Your hostility is both irrational and illogical. It represents you more than it ever will me.
Speaking of analysis, what do you make of this?

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The tinfoil hat lot often gets upset when presented with reason and facts.

Do you want some sandwich board so you can pace the streets like a madman?

Sorry but no matter how angry at the facts you get we have no historical proof that Jesus even existed. Your Josephus forged passage has been exposed you have nothing but fuzzy feelings and delusion.
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I'm done talking to you as you are so clearly an Ahole. Feel free to come back when you are able to talk without all the misguided anger, hate, and resentment. I ain't got time for such childish nonsense. Some of us are grown.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Such is a danger in not having anything to say yourself but merely stealing apologetic arguments.
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Well, I could easily write a computer-program that would automatically take key-words in a sentence (grammar engines are ubiquitous these days, this one is already solved) and then do a search for quotes that apply.

You can even limit the search results how you like, say confining it to specific worldviews.

All this is as mindless as it is possible to be--literally, as computers have no senses of any kind.

And you would have created an exact copy of a "Christian Apologist".

They really are as mindless as an unthinking computer program.

Sad, really.

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Belief can be rational if it is backed up by proof. For example, I believe that my Mother loves me an I could trust her personal information. That belief is based on the fact that she has showed love and care for me and my siblings. However I would not extend that belief to random strangers on the street. Godbots choose to create a life and to portray as the truth something they cannot prove is real.
Oh, certainly! But for the sake of Topix audience, I presume that atheists and other freethinkers recognize I'm limiting my use of the word "belief" to mean "believes strictly because of authority", as in 100% of religions claims.

It truly is impossible to be a human, and to not utilize the useful mental shortcut of presumptive patterns in reality. That is, we believe in chairs, because of the experience of having sat in so many. It's a presumptive assumption that all chairs are similar.

Humor exploits this too: by having an object that looks like a chair, but that behaves like something else-- and any human caught by the non-chair chair is laughed at.

But to True Believers™? "Belief" has but one meaning-- theirs, and theirs alone.

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emperorjohn wrote:
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1-One should not put too much trust on emotions
2-The higher power is in your head.
3-The research says that some of the stories may be true, but it does not support the bible's claim to be a "holy book."
4-We are not obliged to show evidence that your god does not exist, you are obliged to show evidence that he does.
1) yep
2) exactly
3) true
4) once again? Yep.

:D

Since "no god" is the default state of being? It's safe to presume that is true, until sufficient facts are presented to show otherwise.

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01Justsayin wrote:
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I am not obligated to do anything as I am a free human being.
Not if you are a True Believers™ you are anything BUT free-- you are a literal slave to your delusions (beliefs).

So, nope. Not even a little.
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Religious beliefs cannot be analyzed under a microscope.
Nope again-- not even a tiny bit true. ALL religion is just as subject to a microscope or a yardstick or a weight-scale than everything else is.

These are some of the tools used to show what is REAL and what is NOT.

So far? Religion 100% of the time, fails the test of measurement.

100% of the time.

Conclusion: religion is not real.

No more real than Santa Claus.
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What I choose to do with my emotions really doesn't concern you. Thank you, though.
It does, when you pass HATE LAWS based on them.

So you are wrong on THIS point, too!

How about that? 3 of 3 times, you are wrong.

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Speaking of analysis, what do you make of this?
Projection of his own deeply-rooted hate for non-believers?

What else? He'd have to hate us, in order to live with the idea his terrorist-god will torture us forever.

That much is obvious.
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The French coined a term for your need to respond twice to my one post: "l'esprit de l'escalier".
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Your hostility is both irrational and illogical. It represents you more than it ever will me.

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