Atheist group to rip Bible pages in H.B....

Sep 15, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Orange County Register

Members of a grassroots atheist group say they will tear out pages of the Bible at the Huntington Beach pier Saturday to point out what they say is immorality in the book many Christians base their faith on.

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<quoted text>I've got my own definition for you, cu*t.
Ah...insults. The lowest form of dialogue. I thought we'd already been through this. Just because I have one, doesn't mean I am one.:)

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<quoted text>When a Christhole can't even copy and paste right on here it makes me wonder why they think they could actually debate.

Master copy and pasting first ok?

Sheesh!
Yes, master givemeliberty. Anything else you wish for me to do while I'm at it? Christhole? Lol Cute.

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<quoted text>Your bible teaches the hatred of unbelievers, for starters :

[1] "The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good" - Psalm 14:1

According to this piece of hate speech, there is not one good unbeliever. Not one of us does good ever. According to your holy scriptures, those who doubt are all corrupt and vile.

Here's a little more love from your blessed book:

[2] "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." - Revelation 21:8

Now we learn that doubters are abominable, the moral equivalent of murderers and whoremongers, and fit to be dropped while still conscious into a pit of burning fire to suffer forever.

What would you expect the ramifications of such hate speech to be?

[3] "No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”– George H. W. Bush

[4] From http://atheists.org/content/bigotry-worst-aga... :

Bigotry Worst Against Atheists - The Ultimate Outsiders? New Report Casts Atheists "Others" Beyond Morality And Community In America

March 25, 2006

"A new study ... has found that Americans perceive Atheists as the group least likely to embrace common values and a shared vision of society.

"Researchers concluded: "Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry."

"Disturbingly, Atheists are "seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public," despite being only 3% of the U.S. population. Edgell said that Atheists "play the role that Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the past" in that we provide "a symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society."

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This is what your little book of love teaches, and the consequence of that, which make our lives more difficult and more dangerous. We have every right to push back as hard as we can in an effort to cripple that.
I don't deny the presence of violence in the Bible. I already stated my opinion on that earlier. I don't feel it bears repeating. Push back against what exactly? Religion? The Bible? Hate in general? Tell me, exactly how do I or my choice to believe in God fall into that?

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<quoted text>Bill Gates doesn't fit your profile.
But Carlos Slim does.

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<quoted text>Fr the reasons I just gave, it is in our interest to see that there are as few of you as possible, and to argue passionately against faith and religion to help accomplish that goal.

Once your church has shrunk down to a size where it has no voice or influence on the lives of nonbelievers - what I call its Druidization [1]- we'll likely never think about it again. Do you think about the Druids? Me, neither.

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[1] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
So you have taken it upon your shoulders to destroy religion, faith, and those who choose to believe simply because you don't agree with it? Who's violent and hateful now? That sounds very Hiltlerlike. I fail to see how any of that has anything to do with the Druids. Isn't druidization a ranking in World of Warcraft? Are you confusing real life with your game again?

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<quoted text>Religious faith is not synonymous with evidence based belief. They are radically different:

[1] Religious faith is absolute certitude based on a guess or a wish. It lacks supporting evidence, and is refractory to contradictory evidence.

[2] Evidence based belief is trust or confidence based on prior experience, such as observation or experimentation. It is less than certain, the degree of assurance being commensurate with the quality and quantity of evidence supporting the belief. And unlike religious faith, it is amenable to modification if conflicting data arises.
Religious faith cannot be analyzed scientifically.

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<quoted text>They sound the same to me. Belief in a higher power is a personal view.

01Justsayin wrote, " Religious truth is multifaceted. It is comprised of science, logic, philosophy, history, ethics, and experience, all mixed together. It is, in a sense, a different kind of knowing"

"Are there things in the Universe that we cannot know in the usual way of observing and measuring, but that we can know in some other way -- intuition, revelation, mad insight? If so, how can you know that what you know in these non-knowing ways is really so? Anything you know without knowing, others can know only through your flat statement without any proof other that 'I know!' All this leads to such madness that I, for one, am content with the knowable. That is enough to know." -- Isaac Asimov
Your ability to quote Isaac Asimov as well as myself are impeccable. Again, religious belief cannot be analyzed under a microscope. If you are content with the knowable, then awesome. More power to you.

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<quoted text>Nice anecdote. Was there a point to it?
Does there have to be? You say a great many things that I believe to be pointless.

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<quoted text>We can't trust the way some people use it, as when they pick a preferred definition out of many and attempt to impose that meaning on one who says it's not what he meant. Plus, it's always a little behind the times.

01Justsayin wrote, "We can't trust our emotions because they mislead us."

Is that news to you?

01Justsayin wrote, " We can't trust in a higher power because that's all in our head."

That is correct. America says it trusts in a god, for example. How has that been working out for it?

01Justsayin wrote, " We can't trust the vast array of scientific as well as archeological research which proves the Bible's accuracy as a historical document."

Have you read Genesis? Have you seen the Big Bang theory or the Theory of Evolution?

Have you seen the archeological data that tells us that there was no Egyptian captivity, no exodus, and no battle of Jericho as described in your bible: http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
Have you studied every manuscript known to man? Have you analyzed every slide underneath a microscope? Been to the site of every archeological dig? Personally been privy to every historical event? Are you omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent? I find it funny that you accuse others of picking at certain definitions, texts, or quotes in a manipulated attempt to prove their point. Especially given the fact that you are doing it right now.

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<quoted text>1-One should not put too much trust on emotions
2-The higher power is in your head.
3-The research says that some of the stories may be true, but it does not support the bible's claim to be a "holy book."
4-We are not obliged to show evidence that your god does not exist, you are obliged to show evidence that he does.
I am not obligated to do anything as I am a free human being. Religious beliefs cannot be analyzed under a microscope. What I choose to do with my emotions really doesn't concern you. Thank you, though.

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Glad you agree and approve, 01justfailing.
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Yes, master givemeliberty. Anything else you wish for me to do while I'm at it? Christhole? Lol Cute.

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You are certainly free to live in your imaginary friend delusion filled world. Just don't expect your betters to trot down Jesus' candy cane lane to superstition with you.
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I am not obligated to do anything as I am a free human being. Religious beliefs cannot be analyzed under a microscope. What I choose to do with my emotions really doesn't concern you. Thank you, though.
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You agree the two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Ah...insults. The lowest form of dialogue. I thought we'd already been through this. Just because I have one, doesn't mean I am one.:)

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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
01Justsayin wrote:
the Bible doesn't teach hate.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your bible teaches the hatred of unbelievers
01Justsayin wrote:
I don't deny the presence of violence in the Bible.
That's good. But it is unrelated to your claim and my rebuttal
01Justsayin wrote:
Push back against what exactly? Religion? The Bible? Hate in general?
The Christian church in America and the West. We want its influence limited to the lives of volunteers, not unbelievers.
01Justsayin wrote:
Tell me, exactly how do I or my choice to believe in God fall into that?
Your choice to believe is yours.

But opinions that support a belief in the Christian god or praise faith, and those that support organized religion and the church, need to be rebutted in an effort to shrink and weaken the church's cultural hegemony.

The problems caused by the church need to be emphasized, especially Christian homophobia, atheophobia, and anti-scientism, which all need to be denounced strongly. And the virtues of reason, skepticism, naturalism and humanism as an alternative need to be discussed.

In a nutshell, we need humanism to grow and Christianity to shrink, especially in America.

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01Justsayin wrote:
So you have taken it upon your shoulders to destroy religion, faith, and those who choose to believe simply because you don't agree with it?
No. Because it is harmful and intrusive.

And our goal should not be to destroy anything except the church's unwelcome influence in the lives of unbelievers. If the Christians could keep their religion confined to their hearts,minds,homes and churches, we could get along. But they won't. They have to be pushed out of our lives. Once that is accomplished, whatever remains of the church is of no consequence except to believers, as it should be.

Do you disagree?
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Who's violent and hateful now?
Do you mean me? I just want your church out of the lives of unbelievers. I want it out of government. I don't want if affecting elections or laws. And I don't want it telling Americans who to scapegoat based on values that only Christians respect.

I have no hate for anybody, and I oppose violence. My contempt is for abstractions: an ideology and the institution that spreads it called Christianity and the Christian church - not people.

Do you disagree that we have the moral right to do that?

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01Justsayin wrote:
I fail to see how any of that has anything to do with the Druids.
The hope is for your church to peaceably shrink as small as theirs, and become equally irrelevant.
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Isn't druidization a ranking in World of Warcraft? Are you confusing real life with your game again?
I wouldn't know. If it is, it is you that is confusing life and games.

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01Justsayin wrote:
A synonym for belief is faith.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Religious faith is not synonymous with evidence based belief. They are radically different:

[1] Religious faith is absolute certitude based on a guess or a wish. It lacks supporting evidence, and is refractory to contradictory evidence.

[2] Evidence based belief is trust or confidence based on prior experience, such as observation or experimentation. It is less than certain, the degree of assurance being commensurate with the quality and quantity of evidence supporting the belief. And unlike religious faith, it is amenable to modification if conflicting data arises.
01Justsayin wrote:
Religious faith cannot be analyzed scientifically.
I agree, but that is a non sequitur.

Did you want to comment on your claim or my rebuttal to it? Do you still consider faith and belief synonymous, or do you accept my argument that religious faith and evidence based belief are radically different?

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01Justsayin wrote:
Your ability to quote Isaac Asimov as well as myself are impeccable.
Thanks. I suspected that you weren't all bad.
01Justsayin wrote:
Again, religious belief cannot be analyzed under a microscope.
Again, agreed.
01Justsayin wrote:
If you are content with the knowable, then awesome. More power to you.
I guess that I'm odd that way.

Are you trying to make nice now? You really dug yourself into a deep hole earlier. Are you looking for a do-over? I'm not averse to that.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
Nice anecdote. Was there a point to it?
01Justsayin wrote:
Does there have to be?
I prefer it.
01Justsayin wrote:
You say a great many things that I believe to be pointless.
If you can't discern it, ask me what my point was. I always have one.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
Have you seen the archeological data that tells us that there was no Egyptian captivity, no exodus, and no battle of Jericho as described in your bible: http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
01Justsayin wrote:
Have you studied every manuscript known to man? Have you analyzed every slide underneath a microscope? Been to the site of every archeological dig? Personally been privy to every historical event? Are you omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent?
No to all of those. Should I?
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I find it funny that you accuse others of picking at certain definitions, texts, or quotes in a manipulated attempt to prove their point. Especially given the fact that you are doing it right now.
Do you? OK.

Do you care to substantiate any of that? I gave you a link to archeological findings that dispute some of the claims of Exodus. Until you tell us why you believe that that scholarship is invalid, its claims stand unrebutted.

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