Atheist group to rip Bible pages in H.B....

Sep 15, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Orange County Register

Members of a grassroots atheist group say they will tear out pages of the Bible at the Huntington Beach pier Saturday to point out what they say is immorality in the book many Christians base their faith on.

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Atheism is not a belief system or ideology. It's simply a lack of faith.

This fact frustrates many many theists who seem to think its a religion...

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You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

Can you demonstrate that your god is anything more than a product of the imagination?
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So atheists do believe in something? I'm confused. Since truth is based upon an individual's perception, it stands to reason that what is true for one person will not be necessarily true to another. So wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you believe in what is true to you? And since no two men think/feel/perceive the world around them in exactly the same way, doesn't it stand to reason that you might actually be wrong? That your choice to believe or not believe in any given thing is more personal conviction and less universal truth? Especially seeing as how truth, or the coming to the realization of truth I should say, is a deeply personal experience that is unique to the individual experiencing it.

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No violence here, my friend. Just friendly debate. I feel no need to convert you to my way of thinking and you sure as hell won't convert me to yours...or the lack thereof. To be honest, the belief in nothing baffles me. lol I find myself a bit curious as to how one can maintain it. Believing in nothing that is.
To say that every Christian is violent about their faith is presumptuous and false. Have you met every Christian? Surely you haven't! People can have faith in something without being violent. It is possible.
True, but Christians uphold as holy a book which preaches hate and bigotry.

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<quoted text>Atheism is a lack of belief in god.

Humans only believe in things that aren't really there. That's why we believe. We believe because they're not really there.

I don't believe in my house, car, rabbit, keys etc. I don't stop to think and question if I believe in them or not - because there' really there.

God on the other hand, is not there and there's plenty of proof of that. And still you say everything requires belief.

You say this because you're brainwashed and you assume that everyone thinks like you.

Like all atheists I LACK belief, and don't have a belief in anything that isn't demonstrably real or proven.
Hold on a minute there, skippy. Why you gotta come at me all angry-like over a God you don't believe in? Why did you feel the need to re-define something I already defined earlier? It wasn't a wrong definition. It was completely accurate. That point was a mute one. Whether God is really there or not is a matter of opinion depending on who you ask. You can't factually prove that God is not there. God is like the wind. I can't see the wind. I see the effects of the wind, but I can't see the wind. Yet the wind is still there. See my problem is not with your lack of belief. I respect the right every person has to believe or not believe in any way they choose. For the simple reason that that's not for me to decide. Which brings me to the core of what I'm trying to say. Who are you to sit there and tell me what I should believe or not believe in? I'm not telling you who to believe/not believe in. I couldn't force my beliefs upon you even if I tried because we all have religious freedom. Nor would I want to. There's absolutely NO need for your violence or aggression. If God is not there, then there is nobody for you to be so angry with. If it's the supposed ignorance you're angry about, then address the ignorance. I see ignorant people everyday, but I don't go and attack them (verbally or otherwise). I have too much respect for my fellow man for that. Furthermore you have no authority to accuse anyone who believes contrary to you of being "brainwashed."

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-Skeptic- wrote:
Atheism is not a belief system or ideology. It's simply a lack of faith.

This fact frustrates many many theists who seem to think its a religion...
This "thiest" (by the way, don't put me in a box like that. I'm not a title. I'm a free human being) isn't frustrated by your lack of faith. That's your choice to make and your choice doesn't affect me in any way. What does annoy me, however is your level of aggression toward people and the God you don't even believe is there to begin with. Logically, it makes absolutely no sense. I don't believe in a great deal of things, but I don't feel the need to argue my point. I simply move on with life. Live and let live and all that jazz.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

Can you demonstrate that your god is anything more than a product of the imagination?
Never once did I make up facts. Simply put I'm not coming at you from a fact standpoint. I'm coming at you open minded and logical. I don't feel the need to defend God. Frankly you aren't the first people to have doubted his existence. Nor will you be the last. I don't feel the need to debate theology with someone who doesn't believe in it to begin with. That would be ultimate redundancy.

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<quoted text>True, but Christians uphold as holy a book which preaches hate and bigotry.
I don't know what book you're reading, but the Bible doesn't teach hate. Some people hate. Some people are bigots. Some of those people are Christians. All Christians are not the same way. The Quran doesn't teach hate. Some Muslims hate. Some are bigots. Some even kill. Not all Muslims. That all depends on the individual. Not the religion. Your generalization simply isn't factual.

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And nothingness breeds what? Nothingness.
Atheism is not believing, sure.

But no atheist leaves it there, idiot. All atheists have ideas, morals, ethics and so forth.

It's by these things they live by, not the nothingness.

You are basically, an idiot for claiming otherwise.

But that's what you hategodbots do best: you lie. Right?
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Also atheists are some of the most violent non-believers I have ever seen.
Really? You have a link to specific examples of this hypothetical "violence"? Even a single unreferenced example?

No?

So you are what? Lying once again? That seems highly likely.

If you lie at the start, you are likely to be lying in the middle too.
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In fact, I have never seen a group of people who don't believe as passionately as atheists do.
Riiiight. If you lied at the start, and in the middle?

You are very much likely to be lying at the end too.

Lying is not only your best strategy? It appears to be your sole strategy.

Why not?

Faith in gods is a lie, after all.

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01Justsayin wrote:
By definition atheism is the theory that God/supreme being/higher power does not exist.
Nope.

Lies once again.

That "definition" is a strawman one, invented by hateful godbots.

The meaning of "atheist" as used by ... actual atheists.. is "no faith in god or gods"

That's it.

There is no direct belief. There is no positive action.

There is simply no faith in god or gods. The "a" part of "theist".

Not-belief.

Ask an actual atheist next time--- instead of lying.

Oh, wait... I forgot-- you're a godbot, right? So you not only lie a lot-- you MUST lie.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is not believing, sure.

But no atheist leaves it there, idiot. All atheists have ideas, morals, ethics and so forth.

It's by these things they live by, not the nothingness.

You are basically, an idiot for claiming otherwise.

But that's what you hategodbots do best: you lie. Right?

01Justsayin wrote, "
Also atheists are some of the most violent non-believers I have ever seen."

Really? You have a link to specific examples of this hypothetical "violence"? Even a single unreferenced example?

No?

So you are what? Lying once again? That seems highly likely.

If you lie at the start, you are likely to be lying in the middle too.

01Justsayin wrote, "
In fact, I have never seen a group of people who don't believe as passionately as atheists do. "

Riiiight. If you lied at the start, and in the middle?

You are very much likely to be lying at the end too.

Lying is not only your best strategy? It appears to be your sole strategy.

Why not?

Faith in gods is a lie, after all.
OMG! Ha I honestly wish some believers had as much passionate as some of you atheists do. Okay I'll start by addressing the liar bit. Seriously?! I have no reason to lie. All you did with your tirade of ridicule and insults was prove my point about how violent most atheists come off. For such a logical group of people, you sure do have some fiery tempers. Perhaps my "nothingness breeds nothingness" comment was a bit smartassy. I'm well aware of what the definition of an atheist is. Your comment was a mute one. Why are you so angered by a God that you don't even believe in? What's it to you who I choose to worship? WTH is a hategodbot anyway?

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Nope.

Lies once again.

That "definition" is a strawman one, invented by hateful godbots.

The meaning of "atheist" as used by ... actual atheists.. is "no faith in god or gods"

That's it.

There is no direct belief. There is no positive action.

There is simply no faith in god or gods. The "a" part of "theist".

Not-belief.

Ask an actual atheist next time--- instead of lying.

Oh, wait... I forgot-- you're a godbot, right? So you not only lie a lot-- you MUST lie.
All you did was simply rephrase the definition of atheism. A synonym for belief is faith. Look it up. Are we really gonna split hairs here?

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01Justsayin wrote:
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So atheists do believe in something? I'm confused.
of course atheists believe in things. They believe in a vast variety of things. The *only* thing in common among atheists is a lack of belief in deities.

But, for example, I believe that the scientific process is a valid way to gain knowledge about the universe. I believe that the basis of morality is thinking and caring. Not all atheists believe that, but many do. In addition to being an atheist (not having a belief in any deity), I am also a humanist: I believe morality is based on solving human problems and that the well-being of humans is a valid goal.
Since truth is based upon an individual's perception, it stands to reason that what is true for one person will not be necessarily true to another.
Yikes! I disagree with this strongly. Whether or not there is a chair in the room is NOT dependent on your beliefs or your particular perceptions. The truth of a proposition about reality is not based on any individuals perception, but instead on the ability to be tested and to pass those tests.
So wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you believe in what is true to you? And since no two men think/feel/perceive the world around them in exactly the same way, doesn't it stand to reason that you might actually be wrong? That your choice to believe or not believe in any given thing is more personal conviction and less universal truth?
And that is why we divide beliefs into facts and opinions. Facts are universal, by definition. They are testable and public. Opinions, however, are personal. They are *very* different things.
Especially seeing as how truth, or the coming to the realization of truth I should say, is a deeply personal experience that is unique to the individual experiencing it.
Coming to the realization of truth is called learning. You learn by either listening to others who have a basis for knowledge or by conducting tests yourself to determine the facts. Often, you will want to consult with others to have them do similar tests to see if you are deluding yourself.

The 'deeply personal' experience you have found is that of figuring out your *opinions*. This is an important part of life, but it is quite different than figuring out truths.

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<quoted text>of course atheists believe in things. They believe in a vast variety of things. The *only* thing in common among atheists is a lack of belief in deities.

But, for example, I believe that the scientific process is a valid way to gain knowledge about the universe. I believe that the basis of morality is thinking and caring. Not all atheists believe that, but many do. In addition to being an atheist (not having a belief in any deity), I am also a humanist: I believe morality is based on solving human problems and that the well-being of humans is a valid goal.

[QUOTE] Since truth is based upon an individual's perception, it stands to reason that what is true for one person will not be necessarily true to another."

Yikes! I disagree with this strongly. Whether or not there is a chair in the room is NOT dependent on your beliefs or your particular perceptions. The truth of a proposition about reality is not based on any individuals perception, but instead on the ability to be tested and to pass those tests.

[QUOTE] So wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you believe in what is true to you? And since no two men think/feel/perceive the world around them in exactly the same way, doesn't it stand to reason that you might actually be wrong? That your choice to believe or not believe in any given thing is more personal conviction and less universal truth?"

And that is why we divide beliefs into facts and opinions. Facts are universal, by definition. They are testable and public. Opinions, however, are personal. They are *very* different things.

[QUOTE] Especially seeing as how truth, or the coming to the realization of truth I should say, is a deeply personal experience that is unique to the individual experiencing it. "

Coming to the realization of truth is called learning. You learn by either listening to others who have a basis for knowledge or by conducting tests yourself to determine the facts. Often, you will want to consult with others to have them do similar tests to see if you are deluding yourself.

The 'deeply personal' experience you have found is that of figuring out your *opinions*. This is an important part of life, but it is quite different than figuring out truths.
My opinions and my belief in a higher power are two totally different things. Opinion is one's personal view on things. Belief is something a person accepts as true or real. The two are not the same. Religious truth is multifaceted. It is comprised of science, logic, philosophy, history, ethics, and experience, all mixed together. It is, in a sense, a different kind of knowing, not ignorant of the other kinds of truths, but requiring that they be studied together carefully. This shouldn’t be too surprising, considering that if God truly does exist, God is in a different category from every created thing that we can grasp and study under a microscope: God, unlike every created thing, is in the “uncreated things” category. Science, and each of the other kinds of truths, will have something to say about God. But none of these individually can tell us everything. All are necessary, but no single approach by itself is sufficient.

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polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>of course atheists believe in things. They believe in a vast variety of things. The *only* thing in common among atheists is a lack of belief in deities.

But, for example, I believe that the scientific process is a valid way to gain knowledge about the universe. I believe that the basis of morality is thinking and caring. Not all atheists believe that, but many do. In addition to being an atheist (not having a belief in any deity), I am also a humanist: I believe morality is based on solving human problems and that the well-being of humans is a valid goal.

[QUOTE] Since truth is based upon an individual's perception, it stands to reason that what is true for one person will not be necessarily true to another."

Yikes! I disagree with this strongly. Whether or not there is a chair in the room is NOT dependent on your beliefs or your particular perceptions. The truth of a proposition about reality is not based on any individuals perception, but instead on the ability to be tested and to pass those tests.

[QUOTE] So wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you believe in what is true to you? And since no two men think/feel/perceive the world around them in exactly the same way, doesn't it stand to reason that you might actually be wrong? That your choice to believe or not believe in any given thing is more personal conviction and less universal truth?"

And that is why we divide beliefs into facts and opinions. Facts are universal, by definition. They are testable and public. Opinions, however, are personal. They are *very* different things.

[QUOTE] Especially seeing as how truth, or the coming to the realization of truth I should say, is a deeply personal experience that is unique to the individual experiencing it. "

Coming to the realization of truth is called learning. You learn by either listening to others who have a basis for knowledge or by conducting tests yourself to determine the facts. Often, you will want to consult with others to have them do similar tests to see if you are deluding yourself.

The 'deeply personal' experience you have found is that of figuring out your *opinions*. This is an important part of life, but it is quite different than figuring out truths.
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“At Oxford – to my surprise – I discovered Christianity. It was the intellectually most exhilarating and spiritually stimulating thing I could ever hope to describe – better than chemistry, a wonderful subject that I had thought to be the love of my life and my future career. I went on to gain a doctorate for research in molecular biophysics from Oxford, and found that immensely exciting and satisfying. But I knew I had found something better – like the pearl of great price that Jesus talks about in the Gospel, which is so beautiful and precious that it overshadows everything. It was intellectually satisfying, imaginatively engaging, and aesthetically exciting.” 1

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OMG! Ha I honestly wish some believers had as much passionate as some of you atheists do. Okay I'll start by addressing the liar bit. Seriously?! I have no reason to lie. All you did with your tirade of ridicule and insults was prove my point about how violent most atheists come off. For such a logical group of people, you sure do have some fiery tempers. Perhaps my "nothingness breeds nothingness" comment was a bit smartassy. I'm well aware of what the definition of an atheist is. Your comment was a mute one. Why are you so angered by a God that you don't even believe in? What's it to you who I choose to worship? WTH is a hategodbot anyway?
I ridicule you, because it is quite clear, that you are utterly devoid of anything approaching rational thinking.

All that's left is to ridicule your idiotic ideas.

And no-- my comment was not "mute" as I had the sound up as high as it can go-- or did you mean "moot"? Perhaps English is not your primary language?

And your strawman (look it up) definition of "atheist" was as false as your attempt to be rational.

Nevermind the dictionary--that's just a collection of common usages (including missusage) of words.

Would you ask your plumber about heart surgery? Of course not! So you don't ask a THEIST what an atheist is, silly person! You ask an atheist. This ought to be obvious-- but it seems to be beyond your mental abilities.

As for violent? No-- it proves I'm a smartass, but it says NOTHING AT ALL about me being violent.

Talk about PROJECTION on your part! Wow... just... wow.

You hategodbots sure do take the cake.

(as for the definition of 'hategodbot'? Start by looking in the mirror-- and observe how much hate you display to all those who don't believe as you do-- starting with your lies about "violent atheists"...)

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All you did was simply rephrase the definition of atheism. A synonym for belief is faith. Look it up. Are we really gonna split hairs here?
Belief, faith, what's the difference?

Both are pretty words to describe someone lying to themselves about actual reality.

Mental insanity, in other words.

And yeah-- we really are gonna "split hairs". It's necessary when dealing with hategodbots such as yourself.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>I ridicule you, because it is quite clear, that you are utterly devoid of anything approaching rational thinking.

All that's left is to ridicule your idiotic ideas.

And no-- my comment was not "mute" as I had the sound up as high as it can go-- or did you mean "moot"? Perhaps English is not your primary language?

And your strawman (look it up) definition of "atheist" was as false as your attempt to be rational.

Nevermind the dictionary--that's just a collection of common usages (including missusage) of words.

Would you ask your plumber about heart surgery? Of course not! So you don't ask a THEIST what an atheist is, silly person! You ask an atheist. This ought to be obvious-- but it seems to be beyond your mental abilities.

As for violent? No-- it proves I'm a smartass, but it says NOTHING AT ALL about me being violent.

Talk about PROJECTION on your part! Wow... just... wow.

You hategodbots sure do take the cake.

(as for the definition of 'hategodbot'? Start by looking in the mirror-- and observe how much hate you display to all those who don't believe as you do-- starting with your lies about "violent atheists"...)
Religious beliefs (or lack thereof) aside, you're an asshole. A narcissist. And a bully. So we can't trust the dictionary now either? We can't trust our emotions because they mislead us. We can't trust in a higher power because that's all in our head. We can't trust the vast array of scientific as well as archeological research which proves the Bible's accuracy as a historical document. We can't trust educated people who admit that you can neither prove nor disprove a person's belief in religion. Cause anyone who opposes or questions atheism is a superstitious idiot and a whacko. Or is that just me? Who the hell can we trust? Maybe we're all just fucked. Not in a good way either. So what if I misspelled the word moot. Who the hell gives a shit? Trust me when I say it won't happen again. I honestly could care less about what a hategodbot is.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Belief, faith, what's the difference?

Both are pretty words to describe someone lying to themselves about actual reality.

Mental insanity, in other words.

And yeah-- we really are gonna "split hairs". It's necessary when dealing with hategodbots such as yourself.
I don't strain at gnats only to swallow camels. I have better things to do with my time than discuss the difference between belief and faith. You have fun with that. That's right. All us "theists" are mentally insane. The only one sane around here is your hateful, judgmental, overly aggressive, narcissistic ass. You'd think by the way you talk you believe yourself to be God.

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<quoted text>Nope.

Lies once again.

That "definition" is a strawman one, invented by hateful godbots.

The meaning of "atheist" as used by ... actual atheists.. is "no faith in god or gods"

That's it.

There is no direct belief. There is no positive action.

There is simply no faith in god or gods. The "a" part of "theist".

Not-belief.

Ask an actual atheist next time--- instead of lying.

Oh, wait... I forgot-- you're a godbot, right? So you not only lie a lot-- you MUST lie.
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