Is the Internet the End of Religion?

Is the Internet the End of Religion?

There are 267 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Jun 14, 2012, titled Is the Internet the End of Religion?. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, half of the "Four Horsemen of New Atheism," recently indulged an Oxford audience with an hour-long conversation about the "evolution" of religion.

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Captain_Morgan02

Wadesboro, NC

#153 Jul 3, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, no one is stopping you from reading your book about how an invisible man somehow "POOFED everything into existance" like he had some kind of magic wand. No need to get your tighty whities in a bunch.
No bunching here. You read your book, I'll read mine.:)

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#154 Jul 3, 2012
PayThat CEO wrote:
The internet isn't hurting religion, its followers are.
Religious leaders and followers have pushed their faiths into the limelight, whereby exposing them to ridicule, examination and misunderstanding.
Nothing caused this more than radical Muslim terrorists who believed in murdering for their faith and drove Islam onto the world stage of negativity forever. Until 9/11, Islam was a distant, mysterious religion few Americans even thought about.
Then came mega-religion. There have always been a few send-me-money-and-I'll-guarant ee-you-a-spot-in-heaven evangelists around. And there have always been fools dumb enough to oblige. Today, however, mega churches abound and make millions for their "spiritual" leaders. Their flocks seem to see no problem with this garrish rock-festival image to religion or the lavish lifestyle provided to the ministers by parishoners. Question is....WWJD?
Lastly, churches became obnoxiously involved in politics; and the two make horrible, if not dangerous, bedfellows. When religion becomes part of the politicial oneupmanship of candidates, it sucks the life from away from both the religion AND the campaign. Put them together and the become like rotting meat...stinking and impossible to swallow.
Religion at one time used to be a private matter. People worshipped and then went about their lives. They didn't bear their religion like a neon sign, pushing it and shoving it on the world and demanding that others pay attention.... or else. Religion has its place and its purpose, but these days I liken it to Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton. Pretty, rich, but not a lot going on of any real value.
It's because the validity of religion has come under question itself, that the cults are fighting harder to recruit people.

Increasingly telling more and more outrageous lies, desperate for the new recruits to join their cults.

By attracting the idiots of society to their side who attempt to argue in defense of god, they have created what I call a "human stupidity sheild".

This shield of ignorant people repeating mandated cult propaganda is getting out of control.

It's the rise of the stupids - spurred on the by the strong emotions the cult has created within them, these are now the face of modern cults. And we see them everywhere.

They are called godbots.

Since these they are never held accountable or responsible for the lies they tell about atheists.
toots

Euless, TX

#155 Jul 3, 2012
Captain_Morgan02 wrote:
<quoted text>It's not really supposed to be that way. Yes some examples, some pretty high profile examples, can be given of what can be seen as hypocrisy. The bible says man is fallible. Even people who follow the Christian faith. Most Christians truly attempt to follow the word of God daily but that doesn't mean they won't and don't make mistakes. I'm not saying that there aren't some out there who are posers but most aren't.
I know it's not supposed to be that way, I come from a very strong Catholic family, and am proud most follow the word of God daily, and we all make mistakes, but I find myself surrounded by massive amounts of "posers" from all religions. It's saddens me. Thanks for listening to me ramble, just am disappointed.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#157 Jul 3, 2012
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
The internet has not been the death of Faux News. The uncensored nature of the internet means that along with factual information, there's tons of nonsense posted by various crackpots and lunatics. If you are looking for any factoid to support any position at all on any subject, you can find someone on the internet who agrees with you.
In America, christians have erected an entire Potemkin village of christian culture that mirrors secular culture, but with jesus layered as a veneer over it. From literature, like the "Left Behind" series (I use the term 'literature' loosely to include these crude potboilers, to music, like the 'worship anthems' advertised on late night TV, to dating sites like 'christian mingle' that assure the True Believer never ends up dating a heathen, to TV channels filled 24/7 with people babbling aboug jay-zus-suh (it's beyond me how they get three syllables out of that, but they do) to their own 'science' like the Creation Museum and insitutions of higher ignorance, like Bob Jones University and Liberty University. The existence of information outside the cocoon means nothing, because the cocoon was constructed to keep that information out.
agree - plus those idiots breed rapidly.
bohart

White Pine, TN

#158 Jul 3, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism isn't a religion.
Materialism isn't a movement
The only people coming back to life as zombies are listed in theist fiction (bible etc.).
"Absolute atheism starts in an act of faith in reverse gear and is a full blown religious commitment. Here we have the first internal inconsistency of contemporary atheism: it proclaims that all religion must necessarily vanish away, and it is itself a religious phenomenon"

Jacques Maritan: The Range of Reason
Rich

Livermore, ME

#160 Jul 3, 2012
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Religions are increasing in numbers in third world nations, look up your facts, and you will see that they are loosing to population growth in every developed nation, excepting China. Do religion and communism, have something in common?
They are converting third world populations as quickly as possible, so they can say they are still growing in the world.
Look at the data for American religions, and you will see a stark, even bleak, outlook for these groups. Some shrinking at rates that are unsustainable to exist in any kind of majority, for more than a few decades.
I don't need to "look up my facts" since nothing I claimed was inaccurate. Your post doesn't prove my post wrong.
Rich

Livermore, ME

#161 Jul 3, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Then that results in 0-0-0-0, which will still =0! Everyone will get eliminated no matter what their "beliefs" are. Still MADness all around.
For sure,and its doubtful things will ever be any different.
George- H- Scherff- Jr

Gwinn, MI

#162 Jul 3, 2012
Is the Internet the End of Religion?
I sure hope so!
Captain_Morgan02

Wadesboro, NC

#163 Jul 3, 2012
toots wrote:
<quoted text>I know it's not supposed to be that way, I come from a very strong Catholic family, and am proud most follow the word of God daily, and we all make mistakes, but I find myself surrounded by massive amounts of "posers" from all religions. It's saddens me. Thanks for listening to me ramble, just am disappointed.
I completely understand.
Captain_Morgan02

Wadesboro, NC

#164 Jul 3, 2012
George- H- Scherff- Jr wrote:
Is the Internet the End of Religion?
I sure hope so!
Why? What has religion done to hurt you?
George- H- Scherff- Jr

Gwinn, MI

#165 Jul 3, 2012
Captain_Morgan02 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? What has religion done to hurt you?
I just don't like liars!-- THE 7M MANDATE//////////C-street house---------The fellowship foundation/////the council for national policy//////JBS/The CNP///// CNP/Rev Moon////// Pastor Worley ==========Pat Robertson===== Billy Graham----------Jerry Fallwell 9glad he has fallen)---------Rev Moon----------Tim LaHaye----------Dr. James Wickstrom-----C Peter Wagner----------R J Rushdoony ----------The Christian Right, Dominionism, and Theocracy”,------- Ed Kalnins=== Sarah Palin’s long-time church in Wasilla is one such congregation. The most clear-cut example of NAR dominionism is the so-called “Seven Mountains Mandate”, which holds that dominionist Christians should control the whole world by infiltrating and dominating the “Seven Mountains” of culture:(1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion.

Dominionism is not a left-wing fantasy

A number of authors made charges similar to or derived from Joe Carter, web editor of First Things, who wrote:“The term ["dominionism"] was coined in the 1980s by [sociologist Sara] Diamond and is never used outside liberal blogs and websites. No reputable scholars use the term for it is a meaningless neologism that Diamond concocted for her dissertation.”

However, at the same time Diamond was working on her dissertation – published as the book Spiritual Warfare in 1989 – evangelical writer/researcher Albert James Dager was taking similarly critical aim, though from a different direction. In 1986 and ’87, he published a multi-issue essay “Kingdom Theology” in the publication Media Spotlight. In that text he also used the terms “Kingdom Now” or “Dominion” Theology. In 1990, Dager, too, published a book, Vengeance Is Ours: The Church in Dominion.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#166 Jul 3, 2012
toots wrote:
<quoted text>
... I come from a very strong Catholic family, and am proud most follow the word of God daily,....
Nope. Just deluded
puppy lover

Arlington, TN

#167 Jul 3, 2012
Access to knowledge is what Is killing religion. The Internet is just an facilitator.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#168 Jul 3, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
It's because the validity of religion has come under question itself, that the cults are fighting harder to recruit people.
Increasingly telling more and more outrageous lies, desperate for the new recruits to join their cults.
By attracting the idiots of society to their side who attempt to argue in defense of god, they have created what I call a "human stupidity sheild".
This shield of ignorant people repeating mandated cult propaganda is getting out of control.
It's the rise of the stupids - spurred on the by the strong emotions the cult has created within them, these are now the face of modern cults. And we see them everywhere.
They are called godbots.
Since these they are never held accountable or responsible for the lies they tell about atheists.
wow, you actually discussed the real enemy. in strong but not vicious terms. and without obscene insults and false accusations. see, you can do it.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#169 Jul 3, 2012
George- H- Scherff- Jr wrote:
<quoted text>I just don't like liars!-- THE 7M MANDATE//////////C-street house---------The fellowship foundation/////the council for national policy//////JBS/The CNP///// CNP/Rev Moon////// Pastor Worley ==========Pat Robertson===== Billy Graham----------Jerry Fallwell 9glad he has fallen)---------Rev Moon----------Tim LaHaye----------Dr. James Wickstrom-----C Peter Wagner----------R J Rushdoony ----------The Christian Right, Dominionism, and Theocracy”,------- Ed Kalnins=== Sarah Palin’s long-time church in Wasilla is one such congregation. The most clear-cut example of NAR dominionism is the so-called “Seven Mountains Mandate”, which holds that dominionist Christians should control the whole world by infiltrating and dominating the “Seven Mountains” of culture:(1) Business; (2) Government; (3) Media; (4) Arts and Entertainment; (5) Education; (6) Family; and (7) Religion.
Dominionism is not a left-wing fantasy
A number of authors made charges similar to or derived from Joe Carter, web editor of First Things, who wrote:“The term ["dominionism"] was coined in the 1980s by [sociologist Sara] Diamond and is never used outside liberal blogs and websites. No reputable scholars use the term for it is a meaningless neologism that Diamond concocted for her dissertation.”
However, at the same time Diamond was working on her dissertation – published as the book Spiritual Warfare in 1989 – evangelical writer/researcher Albert James Dager was taking similarly critical aim, though from a different direction. In 1986 and ’87, he published a multi-issue essay “Kingdom Theology” in the publication Media Spotlight. In that text he also used the terms “Kingdom Now” or “Dominion” Theology. In 1990, Dager, too, published a book, Vengeance Is Ours: The Church in Dominion.
very interesting. I like it best when folks zero in on the most evil and dangerous Christian cults, and explain exactly what is wrong with them. I call one point of view the Armageddon Welcoming and Facilitating Committee. Those who want the end times, and are willing to put a rush on it by supporting politicians who would start a WWIII in the Middle East involving US, Russia, Iran, Israel, and others in a supposed enactment of the prophecies supposedly in the book of Revelation - the nutcase champion book in the Bible.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#170 Jul 3, 2012
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. Just deluded
If he is Catholic, it also matters whether he is left, center, or rightwing Catholic. If he likes Pope ratty he is rightwing.
Bride of Chucky

Euless, TX

#171 Jul 3, 2012
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. Just deluded
Judging are we?
Bride of Chucky

Euless, TX

#172 Jul 3, 2012
Captain_Morgan02 wrote:
<quoted text>I completely understand.
Your my hero!
Bride of Chucky

Euless, TX

#173 Jul 3, 2012
just_zach wrote:
How I detest the blame the internet game....
The internet is a mirror that reflects the world around us, if people have a problem with the internet then it's the world they need to work on changing.
And as far as these 4 idiots of the apocalypse, face facts religion will never die, it's to greatly ingrained in human culture.
Agree!
downhill246

Delray Beach, FL

#174 Jul 3, 2012
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
It's plagiarized, the bible, certainly led by the story of Jesus, which is a remake, without even changing many of the names, of the story of Horus, in the Egyptian book of the dead, from a thousand years before the Christians Jesus was supposedly born.
It's not just kind of the same idea, it's the same story. From before his birth to a virgin mother Meri/Mary, to his crucifixion and resurrection.
They plagiarized from books and stories all over the world, from the egyptian book of the dead as well as Tao scriptures, middle eastern myths etc etc etc etc etc...
Of course, the religious leaders will come up with a thousand reasons that it's just that everyone, except them misinterprets these texts, because they try to make them fit the bible. Except that many of the people interpreting the texts have never had anything to do with a Christian bible.
Believe what you want, it is every Americans right to do so, but stop tryin to convince the atheists they are wrong, they have more proof that organized religion has made crap up on a whim for thousands of years, and all we have is a book that we can say we know is true, because it's "divinely inspired".
Faith is faith, by definition we can't prove it or it becomes a fact, not a faith.
I stopped worrying about proving anything to anybody and just choose to believe!
The Horus claims are fraudulent.

Claim: Horus was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)

Truth: Horus was NOT conceived of a virgin. In fact both mural and textual evidence from Egypt indicate that Isis (there is no evidence that “Meri” was ever part of her name) hovered over the erect penis (that she created) of Osiris and conceived Horus. While she may have been a virgin before the conception, she utilizes Osiris’ penis to conceive. She later had another son with Osiris as well. There is no evidence of three wise men as part of the story at all (in neither Horus’ nor Jesus’ birth story for that matter!). Seb was actually the ‘earth god’,(earth itself, just as Nut was the sky); He was not Horus’ earthly father. Seb is NOT the equivalent of Joseph and, in most cases, he is described as Osiris’ father!

Claim: Horus was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds

Truth: There is no reference to a cave or manger in the birth story at all. In fact none of these details are present in the ancient Egyptian stories of Horus. Horus was born in a swamp. His birth was not heralded by an angel. There was no star to announce his birth.

Claim: Horus attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30
Truth: There is no continuous effort in the Horus mythology to account for all these years, so there are no real gaps in the chronology. Horus never taught in any temple at twelve (as did Jesus), and keep in mind that Jesus didn't 'disappear' in the years between His teaching in the temple and His baptism. He was simply working as a carpenter.

Claim: Horus was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded.
Truth: Horus was never baptized. While the conspiracy theorists will often point to “Anup the Baptizer” and claim he was later beheaded, there is no such person in Horus’ story.

Claim: Horus had 12 disciples
Truth: Horus had only four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’), but at some point in his story there is reference to sixteen followers, and a group of unnumbered followers who join Horus in battle (called ‘mesnui’). But there’s no reference to twelve followers.

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